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Bernie Sanders To Announce Single-Payer Healthcare Medicare For All Legislation
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If moderate Republicans in Congress were smart they would jump at this. And team up with Democrats to oust Ryan from leadership in order to install one of their own.
Instead nearly every GOP member of the House and Senate will oppose this because they hate government and other people.
Instead nearly every GOP member of the House and Senate will oppose this because they hate government and other people.
CadetMahoney
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GoldenEye 007
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This is good if only to further show how asinine and inhuman the GOP are on healthcare when none go for it.
This would be a great move within the US to keep people from dying and going into financial ruin just to avoid death.
This would be a great move within the US to keep people from dying and going into financial ruin just to avoid death.
Zeus Molecules
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I'll say this, now is a pretty good time to start talking about it again..... like wtf do we have a more expensive system?
I mean yes, but there is nothing stopping a Democrat or LOL a Repuplican from doing just that.
GillianSeed79
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This would be amazing, except there is no way it will actually pass unless somehow Democrats regain control of the house, senate and the presidency. And even if that happened, crazy right wingers would probably start another civil war for something. God bless Bernie though.
GoldenEye 007
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After seven years, how much more time does the GOP need?
DontBeThatGuy
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Not happening, but I approve.
I didn't even see Hillary mentioned in the OP or article.
UnObtainium17
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Do it, Bern.
sugarhigh4242
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I don't see how when only 16% of Republicans favor keeping the ACA, while 41% favor medicare for all.
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Canadians in general don't mind paying somewhat higher taxes to ensure that basic health care access is not predicated on ability to pay. No idea what the thinking is in the US about such a thing, but there's a very simple reason why it's possible elsewhere and it's a pro-society thinking, rather than strictly pro-individual and pro-wealth.
If you can convince others to accept slightly higher taxes for the common good, then do so.
If you can convince others to accept slightly higher taxes for the common good, then do so.
Having an actual act out there in the open would let a lot of people see how expensive or inexpensive single payer would be for them and a great way to start drumming up support for the future.
Having it go through a vote in congress would help see how many Democrats support single payer.
Having it go through a vote in congress would help see how many Democrats support single payer.
Dirtyshubb
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I think now is the right time to try and fight for this in America.
You now have a large portion of the Republican base aware of the benefits of the ACA (and can link Obama care as its alternative name) who have been vocal against their own leaders.
Hopefully they now realise that giving more people access to health care is a good thing and what taking it away would actually do to them.
Of course that could all be baseless hope but maybe things are changing for you over there.
You now have a large portion of the Republican base aware of the benefits of the ACA (and can link Obama care as its alternative name) who have been vocal against their own leaders.
Hopefully they now realise that giving more people access to health care is a good thing and what taking it away would actually do to them.
Of course that could all be baseless hope but maybe things are changing for you over there.
StrikeNinja24
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I don't see how when only 16% of Republicans favor keeping the ACA, while 41% favor medicare for all.
That's from May 2016, almost a year ago.
I bet the numbers are very different now.
Should have asked how many are willing to pay for it.I don't see how when only 16% of Republicans favor keeping the ACA, while 41% favor medicare for all.
sugarhigh4242
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If the US had Canada's military spending, we could offer single payer and free state college education with most citizens paying lower taxes than Canada.
SodiumBenzoate
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Call it Trumpcare
Orbis Tabula
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Good. Let's keep presenting alternative ideas. Just because we're not in power, doesn't we shouldn't be presenting what we stand for.
GillianSeed79
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Also health insurance companies are mega corporations. You also have big pharma. A single payer system would basically gut the majority of profits they'd make. Like 99 percent of congress is bought and paid for by these corporations.
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This is great, good for Bernie. We should be doing exactly this.
Even if this doesn't pass it sets a marker, gives something for Dems to talk about, and keeps the party focused on positive policy proposals.
I'm not convinced that we will get single-payer soon, but the next time Dems get in power we should be pushing, at the very least, a public option, and possibly catastrophic insurance coverage for all. Let's have a bunch of bills drafted and ready to go.
Even if this doesn't pass it sets a marker, gives something for Dems to talk about, and keeps the party focused on positive policy proposals.
I'm not convinced that we will get single-payer soon, but the next time Dems get in power we should be pushing, at the very least, a public option, and possibly catastrophic insurance coverage for all. Let's have a bunch of bills drafted and ready to go.
I had the same thought. I don't think it'll get anywhere near a vote anyway.
Imperfected
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He is.
There's zero expectation this will pass. The thing that's happening right now is that Republicans are breaking ranks with Trump on the ACA repeal, and that's going to be a nice little feather in their cap come re-election time, right?
Sanders is putting this bill up to force them to vote against it (because of course they will) so that he can point and say, "Yeah, they may have voted against repealing the ACA because Trump's a moron, but they're still jerks and don't want to give you health care."
It's just a reminder to Americans that just because Trump stepped over the line in terms of how dumb some members of the GOP are willing to go, it doesn't mean they aren't still pretty fucking dumb.
Yep or something like Conservative Freedom Healthcare for Americans.
The Left will know what it really is and the Right won't care as long as it's not from those hippies.
StrikeNinja24
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You say that, but Trump just gave Germany a 300b dollar bill for NATO, however that makes sense.
What makes you think he wont try the same shit on our borders?
BinaryPork2737
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Yeah, but Germany isn't going to pay that, and neither is Canada. I mean, it's not like anybody is going to invade Canada any time soon except maybe us.
At this point I think what matters is that the democrats talk about it, introduce bills, and own the idea completely. Obamacare has shifted the view of healthcare in this country whether or not there's holdouts in congress that believe in free market healthcare and insurance. Regardless of the specifics of how it's done, we've come to the point where it's generally accepted that healthcare is a right that everyone deserves (and shouldn't have to go bankrupt over). Just don't let Republicans steal that. I saw post in some thread about if there's something good from Trump it might be infrastructure. Ok sure, on a superficial level I can't disagree with that, but the GOP has been blocking democrat infrastructure legislation for years.
I love this argument because I have a family member that actually goes up to Canada for a health related issues. It's just like come on people..Canada has very well qualified experts in medicine too.
GoldenEye 007
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Dem majority at least managed to get major health reform passed. Which was a monumental undertaking alone. And unfortunately it was a rocky start before it stabilized. Enough time for them to be thrown out of office largely over it.
Now obviously there are issues, but ACA wasn't meant to be the end - it was meant to be tweaked. Now for the last 7 years, Republicans have refused to do anything but to try to go back to pre-2010 "healthcare."
The fact the GOP failed here with the presidency and both chambers further illustrates how much the Dems accomplished on the healthcare front.
Now yeah the next step needs to at least be a public option and later ideally single payer. But we shouldn't stop trying because it failed in 2008/2009. Democrats trying to offer solutions, even if they will fail due to lack of majorities, will be much better for them in the future I think.
I'm no political expert, but isn't this more about the push than anything else?
Put this stuff out there, and make the effort. Plant the ideas in the public mind and prime them for it early so when the time comes the public will be behind such legislation.
The Republicans tried to repeal Obamacare for like 7 years. They made it a mantra, and rallied their base behind it. Democrats may not have the same sense of unity that Republicans enjoyed under Obama, but they can still plant some seeds and let them know there are ideas worth taking seriously.
This too.
Earthstrike
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Yeah, and you guys should do it. You would go to war less as well, which means less americans dying for no good reason halfway around the world. Noone is responsible for america's military overspending besides america.
So true.
I believe that Obamacare is the gateway towards medicare for all. The medicaid expansion is so powerful now that there's no stopping it. Even a Republican controlled government couldn't stop it.
Time to take the next step.
Pancake Mix
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The US' military spend allows enormous influence worldwide, more than simple economics can. It's been quite helpful for US interests as well.
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