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Digital Foundry: Xbox Scorpio
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Self_Destructive
Member
Didn't Richard say they saw the demo running with all those cars and the GPU never was utilized more than 70%?
hanspampel
Banned
correct
between 399 and 499
yes. between 55 and 70%
he also said 1080p on xbox One would be more like 80-90%
ToysAndMoreClub
Member
It comes down to, do you want to play Red Dead Redemption 2 in true Native 4K? You can't really say Xbox One is just for exclusives. They do get pretty good third-party support, and that will only get better with Scorpio (or at least they'll get the best version of them).
It's ludicrous really.
Why wouldn't games look better on more powerful hardware? This isn't the 360 vs PS3 gen anymore, nobody is banging their heads trying to unlock the power of these consoles, we're talking pretty standard architecture across the board here, so developers will be able to much more easily tweak performance improvements.
family_guy
Member
There was like a general 10-15% off coupon floating around that got the price that low. It worked for several items other than the PS4 Pro. Let's not act like it was an all around price drop for the holidays. You're dreaming if you think the Pro will be $300 this year.
Jaguar Victory
Member
What?
Uhh yes lol to the weird part, not problem.
Interesting stuff. It makes me wonder how improved Halo 5 will play with this additional power. Let alone future game releases that can make additional uses over the non scorpio Xbox One version.
So much salt.
killatopak
Gold Member
I predict the price will be somewhere between a 2DS and a launch PS3.
Sure, if you go by silly numbers. But not really. Actually it's less powerful if you really think about it.
JamesHolden
Banned
Article confirms HDMI in remains. Now they need to add a mic to the box, and we're all set for media features.
I mean, I just bought a Pixel, for the upgrade price of like $200 with $40 recurring monthly payments from Verizon.
Seems pretty obvious. It makes the Pro look even more half-assed.
BRocknRolla
Member
Cheaper PS4 Pro with UHD drive at 299$ would be nice
Wouldn't upgrade from my current PS4 Pro, still happy with 1080p gaming
The Futurist
Member
Not weird at all.
I have an xbox one S, PS4 Pro, PC with an 1080 Ti.
I'm still getting this.
Then again, I get everything, so not really into the whole console warrior bullshit that we see here so often.
You're just a tech geek like many of us here
So then even lightweight dx12 draw calls were significantly taxing for Jaguars? Such that a dx12 offload "coprocessor" is worthwhile?
Isnt GT one of the best selling games on PS?
Im not sure what Forza sales are, but considering they release each year I am guessing they are strong
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Slightly ? lol
HighResTomato
Member
About 10% more powerful, don't expect any differences when it comes to third parties.
TheStruggler
Report me for trolling ND/TLoU2 threads
ok without the fanboyism in this thread because believe me its there, how much more powerful is the scorpio compared to the OG ps4, and then the PS4 Pro. I read the specs and literally it means nothing to me, thanks 
Specs are as rumored for the most part; Zen dreamers, lol..
See you at E3 with some games.. I have powerful hardware (PS Pro, 1070 laptop)
Specs are nice, but show me something I can't play on Win 10.
This...
Also wondering if my 1080ti can play Minecraft...
See you at E3 with some games.. I have powerful hardware (PS Pro, 1070 laptop)
Specs are nice, but show me something I can't play on Win 10.
This...
Also wondering if my 1080ti can play Minecraft...
Outrun
Member
Dude the start is the most hardware stressing part in a racing game.
It's a technical showcase.
It was the only 1080p/60 game for the original Xbox one and will probably be the only 4k/60 game for Scorpio at launch.
CalamityPixel
Member
Yes. Forza sells quite a bit.
LifEndz
Member
Ahhh. Gotcha.
It's undoubtedly more powerful than the Pro, but it is releasing a year later. This extra year has clearly allowed them to use better components and perform more optimization. But I wouldn't really compare the two - if Scorpio had to release at the same time as the Pro did, I'm sure the specs would look a lot different.
Last_colossi
Member
A quick potential size comparison using the internals to measure:
while that is certainly true, Scorpio vs. PS4 Pro is a fight of "better execution" vs. "better timing" and possibly "better pricing".
I'm still not sure how big the niche is that cares all that much about the former. :/
JayWood2010
Member
Broadbandito
Member
THIS THIS THIS
Also just so you know all those consoles have been custom Jaguar to a degree because no 8-core Jaguar exist!
With Xbox-One the customisation done wasn't huge and I don't expect it to be different with Scorpio.
psychotron
Member
Specs are nice and it'll put MS back in the race. Price it right and I'm all over this.
VlaudTheImpaler
tl;dr
I never said anything about not criticizing something that is broken, I am all for that and don't think it happens enough...
I never said that you always give a pass either. But you are more lenient in a lot of ways and it comes from your heart because you want this genre that you love to succeed.
I was talking about giving praise where it is due when those that you are criticizing finally take steps in the right direction. To let them know that you approve and that they are on the right path. I feel that for those of us that harshly criticize where it is necessary it is important that we do this to show that we aren't just out to burn them. But that we want success and prosperity in this industry for everyone, especially the consumers.
$499 was my guess even before today.
Duggie_Brown
Member
So once again we have a console screaming that it's the most powerful thing in the world, yet we're currently going through a generation of these high powered machines that aside from a handful of titles, haven't really shown us anything new or even used this tech to create some fantastic gameplay details other than making the games look even more shiny, which seems to be the direction the industry keeps going in.
Honestly, sick to death with it. Let's wait and see what all this power does for the next Halo and Gears of War outside of graphics, because the previous iterations of those games done nothing new, outside of looking nicer, that the previous generation could have done.
To even use all the power they are talking about, once again, development costs will go up, games will take longer to make and microsoft's internal studios (what's left of them) will be put under even more pressure.
This is the wrong direction people.
Honestly, sick to death with it. Let's wait and see what all this power does for the next Halo and Gears of War outside of graphics, because the previous iterations of those games done nothing new, outside of looking nicer, that the previous generation could have done.
To even use all the power they are talking about, once again, development costs will go up, games will take longer to make and microsoft's internal studios (what's left of them) will be put under even more pressure.
This is the wrong direction people.
NismoTigerWVU
Neo Member
I still find it curious that Microsoft decided on massaging the Cat cores for another round. AMD themselves declined to continue down that path for themselves after Jaguar at 28nm. On the surface, this seems like the lowest ROI path for MS. If it's simply a shrunk and upclocked Jag, it'll be a major bottleneck. The "custom" tag thrown on this hints at some architectural tweaks, which certainly wouldn't come cheap. From what I can remember, Jaguar was a fairly well rounded chip, but perhaps they saw some low hanging fruit for a modest tick in IPC. That said, even a simple die shrink of Excavator would likely outperform this "Super Cat". Moving further up the food chain, Zen is already sitting there waiting at 14nm with proven megaton performance.