It's definitely 6 years at the most since that's when Bloodline takes place.
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It's definitely 6 years at the most since that's when Bloodline takes place.
Chuckie
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Go home, you're drunk.
Please don't
Spehornoob
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Rogue One is better than any of the prequels, but worse than any of the other films.
Lifejumper
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Its on par with ROTJ tbh. Flawed but enjoyable. Miles ahead of the prequels.
Killer Queen
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It also seems like Rey was sold into slavery to the guy on Jakku from the lightsaber scene.
Trigonometrize.
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You don't judge films on what is the most fun to watch?
Yeah i can understand that. Unfortunately the story does not make any sense to me and the continuous tone shifting is really baffling .It's not even fun to watch ( for me of course).
Well at least it's better than TPM e AOTS. What a great achievement
Spehornoob
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That's fair. I think ROTJ has higher highs, though. I'm of the opinion that the Luke/Vader/Emperor scene is probably the best single scene in the whole series.
It's up with Yoda explaining and using the force in EP V.
I just took it as "please take her" and he saw a working hand. Pretty much slavery without it being official or intentional. I don't think whoever left her there sold her.
But could be wrong on that
Killer Queen
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Actually, you know what.
Finn might actually be force sensitive.
When the first order blows up the republic Finn hears the screams, which is what prompts him to look up into the sky.
Iirc it was either Obi Wan or Luke that felt something similar when Alderaan got destroyed.
And right before this Maz makes a statement about the force being connected to all living things.
Finn might actually be force sensitive.
When the first order blows up the republic Finn hears the screams, which is what prompts him to look up into the sky.
Iirc it was either Obi Wan or Luke that felt something similar when Alderaan got destroyed.
And right before this Maz makes a statement about the force being connected to all living things.
Chuckie
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Uhm....no. 'Commando' is way more fun to watch as 'Schindlers List'...but it sure as hell is not a better movie.
Worse than Caravan of Courage?!
I always got the impression she was dumped by her parents/guardians because they could sense great potential in her so as a means of keeping her safe or not wanting to deal with her at all, they dumped her.
Trigonometrize.
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I just think that's silly. I don't think it matters whether or not I'm watching Commando or Schindlers List or The Force Awakens or Revenge of the Sith. It's all just entertainment that should be getting me to the point of having fun one way or another.
High five for Commando being your go to fun movie in this scenario
Killer Queen
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It's not the fact that they left her, it's that the guy at the shop takes her by the arm and tells her to come with him. I mean, he could have kidnapped her, but this scene is right as her parent(s) are leaving.
Schindler's List isn't about fun though. It's about looking into the darkest parts of humanity.
There are other instances too. I'd bet money on him being sensitive
Chuckie
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I think it is silly you think Schindlers List is fun entertainment.
TFA has better action, better actors, better CGI, and in general is a tighter and more conventionally successfully put together film.
RotS has more inspired and creative design, a more interesting time period and war, a much more interesting plot, Sheev, and an astounding amount of quotable moments. It fails in a lot of areas but for someone who loves the Star Wars universe (especially the prequel time period) it can be very engrossing.
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He just knew she was his to command. We have no clue who left her there and there's certainly no evidence to suggest it was specifically her parents. I think she got dumped off.. By someone. Not sold
Yeah I mean it's definitely planned, but I question why she was given away like that.
She yelled in disapproval saying "come back", so whoever flew off did it for some reason beyond simply making money as this implies she and the mysterious person were close.
Killer Queen
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Maybe the first Awakening was Finn but the fact that Rey gets captured and starts testing out her force powers is why she's in the position she's in right now rather than Finn.
Well, sold, given away either or.
I mean, they could have just been an asshole. But I'm thinking that they left her for being force sensitive. Just my theory.
Couldn't they dump her on a less shitty planet though?
Let's assume she was dumped there because of her potential/chosen one-ness, then maybe that place was the least likeliest planet for bad dudes to find her?
But come on, there's gotta be a remote planet that's not a total shit hole. Mind you, I think that is still one of the best explanations.
We don't know the specifics of why she was left there yet. Maybe they were in a hurry and that was the closest planet that was low profile. Maybe there's another reason why it was Jakku specifically.
Trigonometrize.
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I think having a more inspired and creative design, a more interesting time period and war, a much more interesting plot, Sheev, and an astounding amount of quotable moments should be able to qualify it as being better than a "conventionally successfully put together film." "Conventionally successful" to me just sounds like TFA is supposed to be the better movie and you want to convince yourself it is, but in reality actually isn't. Movies can be good and enjoyable in a LOT of different ways. No reason to knock down a peg the ones going for the out-there methods of being an entertaining movie.
Ah well, people generally just think I'm simplifying things too much and they're probably right.
Chuckie
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Lol seriously...even Dagobah seems better.
To be honest I am really interested in whose child she is and why she was dumped on that shithole. You'd think she is a Skywalker...but no way Luke would dump her and ignore her for 19 years like that. So Luke didn't know he had a daughter....then why did the mother dump her on that shithole?
It's an important distinction to make though. If they sold her, that suggests whoever left her doesn't really care about her. But we know that's probably not true because she's screaming "come back"
If she was simply left there, we know there were motivations other than making money on a slave
Killer Queen
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I hope Rey's parental story is like Finn's from adventure time tbh, at least with his dad.
That depends. If they were just her caretaker they could have pretended to care. Rey was a child, she wouldn't know the difference, and having a pretending caretaker is better than none
I have seen ROTS get quoted a fair bit on the internet but it's always in ridicule.
RandomSeed
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I thought a popular hypothesis was that Rey was with the Jedi that were killed by Kylo, but rather than kill her, he dumped her off? His "what girl" points to him having some idea who it could be. Luke would have thought she was dead.
RotS is fucking terrible. The entire opening sequence makes no sense, the lightsaber duels are terrible, the acting is choppy, more Yoda with a lightsaber, and Anakin's turn and ending is so abrupt that its laughable. Let's also not forget the cheesy "Nooooooo" from Vader at the end.
People only like RotS because of Palpatine finally fucking everyone over. The one good scene from RotS is the opera scene where Palpy talks about Darth whatever. Other than that, the film is trash like the rest of the prequels.
TFA is the better movie though. I don't really have to convince myself of that, I can just feel it. The shots are more interesting, the action is more kinetic, you care for the characters more without being a big extended universe nerd like myself, etc. etc. RotS is a mess, but it's a lovely mess.
Chuckie
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But here you are actually making a case for your point. I don't agree with the conclusion, but at least it is sound reasoning. Earlier you made the statement that the movie you had most fun with was the better one.... and that isn't good reasoning.
I've seen RotS like 15 times.... I enjoy it even though I recognize it has a lot (A LOT) of problems. I've seen Irreversable 1 time. It disturbed the fuck out of me. It has a rape scene that lasts for about 15 minutes. Trust me..RotS is more fun...... Irreverisble is the better movie.
The timeline doesn't match up. Ben became Kylo Ren no more than 6 years before TFA. Rey would've been 13.
Killer Queen
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It's also stated that Kylo Ren killed everyone at the academy but Luke
Trigonometrize.
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I guess "fun" is the wrong word to apply to a universal standard for assessing movies. It's kind of like a mix of interesting, engaging, and satisfying. I just don't like separating the "better" or "objectively good" movies with the easily ridicule-able and cheesy ones because they all can have their merits.
I appreciate that!
I suppose I find the more high stakes, high drama elements of the movie more compelling. It's tragic, emotional and melancholy. I think it has some real pathos. Maybe I just like tragedy?
I'm also not sure I find Anakin's fall to be quite as problematic as a lot of people do. I very much enjoy Anakin and Palpatine's scenes together. The dialog is good, the performances are good and these moments are actually given time to live and breathe unlike so much of The Force Awakens, which is onto the next scene before you're given a chance to settle in to a proper rhythm.
I watched TFA last night and I end up checking out of that movie every time without fail when Rey is captured and Finn reaches the Resistance base. The movie is on autopilot from that point forward and I feel no tension in the finale. The attack on Starkiller base feels perfunctory, Han's death scene simply does not have the impact I expected it would. The saber duel stretches believability etc. I don't know man I've tried so many times with the movie but it just doesn't do it for me.
I don't think her screaming "come back", then having that person or those people actually not be genuinely important to Rey, ESPECIALLY considering she's waiting there literally her entire life for them to return.. And even demands to return to Jakku to continue waiting for them after she ESCAPES Jakku.. makes any sense, narratively.
It's about time one of these characters lost their legs.
RandomSeed
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Ah, I see. I'm not up to date on timeline stuff.
As much as I'm looking forward to seeing a bitter Luke and (at long last) the possible end of the Jedi Order, I have a terrible feeling that there's going to be a terrible split among the hardcore Star Wars community come the release of the movie.
For the past 34 years people have had time to put Luke on a massive pedestal (fuelled in large part by the old EU canon which essentially apotheosised him), and to fantasize about the great and mighty deeds he achieves and how he restores the Jedi Order back to glory, on his path of becoming the greatest Jedi who has ever lived, and who ever will live. Now however, it looks like we ain't going to get that Luke whom people fantasized about, far from it in fact, and many people have already started voicing their discontent, and the voices will get even louder when the movie is out.
Shit is going to hit the fan, people are going to be mad.
For the past 34 years people have had time to put Luke on a massive pedestal (fuelled in large part by the old EU canon which essentially apotheosised him), and to fantasize about the great and mighty deeds he achieves and how he restores the Jedi Order back to glory, on his path of becoming the greatest Jedi who has ever lived, and who ever will live. Now however, it looks like we ain't going to get that Luke whom people fantasized about, far from it in fact, and many people have already started voicing their discontent, and the voices will get even louder when the movie is out.
Shit is going to hit the fan, people are going to be mad.
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