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Media Create Sales: Week 16, 2017 (Apr 17 - Apr 23)

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ArkhamFantasy

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Snakeyes said:
Announced is basically all it was. We still haven't seen what DQXI Switch looks like and Square-Enix have yet to confirm which version of the game it is based on. Sure, the console was under NDA until January, but there's been ample time to at least say *something* concrete about the Switch version since. They were willing to show the player character running around a barren street two years ago on PS4 - it wouldn't be that difficult to quickly showcase the Switch version in an area that's not very demanding from a technical standpoint, give how flexible UE4 is (assuming that's the version being used).

As for why you'd sign a deal with Sony from Square-Enix's perspective;

- You get surefire monster sales from the 3DS version.
- You get Sony to foot part of the bill for development and/or advertising of the UE4 version. That version should sell decently in Japan as well.
- You get to see how Switch sales shape up early on, as the system's success was far from a sure thing back when DQXI was announced.
- You get people to double dip when the Switch version is released at a later date.

There are very few downsides here for Square-Enix, and "Play It First On PS4" deals are nothing new for Sony.
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I doubt Sony would put money into a game thats going to appear on another console.

Edit: Misremembered an article.
 
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ArkhamFantasy

Member
I thought this was common knowledge? Maybe i misread something, i'll do some digging.

Aostia said:
They didn't
The "20 UE4 games" article closed the quoted interview with the assumption that Bloodstained, SMT HD and Dragon Quest XI are 3 among them
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Ok, this is probably what i read, my mistake. I'll edit.
 
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Aostia

El Capitan Todd
ArkhamFantasy said:
I thought this was common knowledge? Maybe i misread something, i'll do some digging.



Ok, this is probably what i read, my mistake. I'll edit.
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Hey no problem
But the DQXI switch edition mismanagement is something good I am following closely so I pointed it out

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FreedomFighter said:
Ahh, too bad. I expect the Switch version to be UE4 but was hoping for confirmation of this. But I guess we'll see in due time.
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Probably at TGS
 
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Psycho_Mantis

Banned
Principate said:
Like normal? Since when was the last time Japanese third parties singlehandedly determined any platforms success? The PS2?
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Oregano said:
*triggered*

I more wonder how Japanese third parties feel about the fact that it looks like they're mostly irrelevant in determining what platform is a success.
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Well FFXV, KH3, FF7R, RE7 were some of the biggest announcements the PS4 had that led to hype. I'd say SE, Capcom and NB are the biggest players. Probably put NB over Capcom lol

A collective third party will always have a greater effect than individual counterparts.
 
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Snakeyes

Member
Principate said:
It doesn't make sense at all. Japan isn't a major market for the PS4, DQ is not a big franchise outside of Japan. Whether the Switch version launches with PS4 or not we're talking about like 20k 30k extra PS4 sold here without a switch release to compete with if that as a switch version is already announced. It's launching day and date with the 3DS of the two platforms that's the one that'll have the biggest impact on any PS4 hardware bump etc.

The benefits to SE and Sony are so minor I'd question the competence of whoever thought it up. In that case it was either really, really cheap for Sony thus SE got an awful deal, or it was not and Sony got completely screwed. DQ is big but's not changing fortunes big when it's confirmed to be on all 3 platforms anyway.

If Sony had a say do you not think they would have pushed for some sort of Vita port as well?
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The 3DS and PS4 versions of DQXI can barely be considered the same game. If you want a large scale, ambitious DQ experience, it might as well be a PS4 exclusive... unless you know the UE4 version will be coming to Switch in the near future.

This is the same Sony that paid for Street Fighter V console exclusivity, were okay with Capcom releasing the game in a bare-bones state to get a crack at the eSports market, and are still involved in getting the game on TV despite the lack of sales and interest outside of the FGC. They're not averse to taking a loss on a third-party deal if it suits some bigger purpose they have for their console.

The Vita, which is roughly ten times less capable than the Switch, is probably not powerful enough to run a high-end version of DQXI. Sony also made sure every DQ game that could share a development pipeline between PS4 and Vita made it onto the system. At this point there's more to gain for Sony with XI PS4 (mass market appeal in Japan, mid-tier appeal in the West, sales synergy with other S-E RPGs on PS4) than trying to prop up the Vita, which has been a bigger disaster than the Wii U everywhere but Japan.
 
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Principate

Saint Titanfall
Snakeyes said:
The 3DS and PS4 versions of DQXI can barely be considered the same game. If you want a large scale, ambitious DQ experience, it might as well be a PS4 exclusive... unless you know the UE4 version will be coming to Switch in the near future.

This is the same Sony that paid for Street Fighter V console exclusivity, were okay with Capcom releasing the game in a bare-bones state to get a crack at the eSports market, and are still involved in getting the game on TV despite the lack of sales and interest outside of the FGC. They're not averse to taking a loss on a third-party deal if it suits some bigger purpose they have for their console.

The Vita, which is roughly ten times less capable than the Switch, is probably not powerful enough to run a high-end version of DQXI. Sony also made sure every DQ game that could share a development pipeline between PS4 and Vita made it onto the system. At this point there's more to gain for Sony with XI PS4 (mass market appeal in Japan, mid-tier appeal in the West, sales synergy with other S-E RPGs on PS4) than trying to prop up the Vita, which has been a bigger disaster than the Wii U everywhere but Japan.
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And yet the 3DS version will be the highest selling none the less. It's not remotely the same as SFV as the 3DS version is being advertised front and centre with the PS4. The same is not the same true of this.

The elephant in the room you've ignored is that Sony advetises if they have these sorts of deals. They very rarely hide it.

The benefit is so minor either way that someone would be screwed over in this hypothetical and it wouldn't be Nintendo.
 
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Takao

Banned
Snakeyes said:
The Vita, which is roughly ten times less capable than the Switch, is probably not powerful enough to run a high-end version of DQXI. Sony also made sure every DQ game that could share a development pipeline between PS4 and Vita made it onto the system. At this point there's more to gain for Sony with XI PS4 (mass market appeal in Japan, mid-tier appeal in the West, sales synergy with other S-E RPGs on PS4) than trying to prop up the Vita, which has been a bigger disaster than the Wii U everywhere but Japan.
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I think you're vastly overestimating Sony's involvement with the Vita versions of those DQ games. Vita didn't get the original Dragon Quest Heroes and isn't getting DQX. DQH2 was probably more of an internal Koei Tecmo/SE push given Sony's advertising for that game pretended it was PS4 exclusive. Builders only exists because of Minecraft and only dumbos would make a Japan focused clone of it exclusive to the platforms with the worst selling (Non-Xbox) versions. If Sony wanted to, they could've gotten SE to port the 3DS version of XI so their platforms would have both styles (which Nintendo will have) ... but they didn't.
 
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Ōkami

Member
Sony, while trying to stablish a Dragon Quest fanbase on PS4, definetly urged Square to release a version of their Minecraft game on the Vita so that version would sell better than the PS4 version.

Its all part of Shu's master plan.
 
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ArkhamFantasy

Member
Ōkami;234821596 said:
Sony, while trying to stablish a Dragon Quest fanbase on PS4, definetly urged Square to release a version of their Minecraft game on the Vita so that version would sell better than the PS4 version.

Its all part of Shu's master plan.
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Snakeyes

Member
Principate said:
And yet the 3DS version will be the highest selling none the less. It's not remotely the same as SFV as the 3DS version is being advertised front and centre with the PS4. The same is not the same true of this.

The elephant in the room you've ignored is that Sony advetises if they have these sorts of deals. They very rarely hide it.

The benefit is so minor either way that someone would be screwed over in this hypothetical and it wouldn't be Nintendo.
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That's a good point.
 
NeonZ

NeonZ

Member
ggx2ac said:
Will Fire Emblem Warriors outsell Fire Emblem Echoes in Japan?
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Two years ago I'd say yes, but lately Musou games really haven't done well at all. Unless this has some unique feature to differentiate it aside from the FE brand, I could see it underperforming.
 
Eolz

Eolz

Member
I feel that FE Warriors is made primarily for the western audience tbh, just like Hyrule Warriors was.
 
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Kanann

Member
Passose said:
Is there anyway that can help the ps4 right now, if things keep going like this it probably won't make it to the DQXI launch
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No hope left, all 3rd party will drop dead or run away from PS4 to Switch and Scorpio after DQXI launch...
Horii told me he want DQXII to be play on "American console" I wonder what did he mean by that.

PS5 can't come soon enough.
 
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orioto

Good Art™
What i'm really worried about DQXI is that if the Switch version comes out next year, many months after the 3ds and PS4 versions.. I would guess every potential DQ fan will have played it then. So it's going to be a little soon to ask them to buy it a second time, don't you think..
 
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Dark Cloud

Member
orioto said:
What i'm really worried about DQXI is that if the Switch version comes out next year, many months after the 3ds and PS4 versions.. I would guess every potential DQ fan will have played it then. So it's going to be a little soon to ask them to buy it a second time, don't you think..
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You know what? Yeah it may suck for Japan since they may end up getting the Switch version much later, but all I care about is it gets translated and comes to the west the same time as the others which should be no problem I'm hoping lol.

We have to see the differences of the Switch version compared to the other two. Maybe a lot of Japanese will like a portable PS4 version of DQXI.
 
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orioto

Good Art™
Dark Cloud said:
You know what? Yeah it may suck for Japan since they may end up getting the Switch version much later, but all I care about is it gets translated and comes to the west the same time as the others which should be no problem I'm hoping lol.

We have to see the differences of the Switch version compared to the other two. Maybe a lot of Japanese will like a portable PS4 version of DQXI.
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Would be great if the Switch version had some sort of local co-op. It would fit the Switch a lot and make it a big success if many games had this kind of feature added.
 
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Kanann

Member
Fake news:

DQXI Switch version will be PS4 version but on cel shading!

And you can "Switch" to be 3D and 2D like 3DS version in church anytime!

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They won't do it.
 
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DecoReturns

Member
How is that Fire Emblem performance?

Seems pretty good for a quick remake and for a entry that isn't as popular as Marth's games. Think it could hit a million worldwide?
 
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Dark Cloud

Member
orioto said:
Would be great if the Switch version had some sort of local co-op. It would fit the Switch a lot and make it a big success if many games had this kind of feature added.
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Yeah adding local co op would be great. If they're doing that with Switch version I can see why it would taking it longer. They'll want to release it later to get people to double dip.
 
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Stone Ocean

Member
jroc74 said:
Ppl talking about the Vita...

wth is wrong with the XBO?

Has MS consoles always done this poor over there?
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It wasn't this bad but it's always been pretty bad. 360 at least had some niche stuff like shmups, the Xbone has nothing on top of Japan not being as interested in home consoles as before.
 
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Mr. Pointy

Member
Square are likely delaying DQXI on Switch until they sure can sell 1 million copies or more. So probably end of this year or beginning of next year. I doubt DQXI is kind of game to get near 100% tie in ratio, so July wasn't going to be the best time.
 
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Skullwaker

Member
Mr. Pointy said:
Square are likely delaying DQXI on Switch until they sure can sell 1 million copies or more. So probably end of this year or beginning of next year. I doubt DQXI is kind of game to get near 100% tie in ratio, so July wasn't going to be the best time.
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1m on Switch isn't happening if it's that long after launch.
 
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Sammy Samusu

Member
Switch's success is a punch on the face of some third parties. I'm mostly talking to Atlus, Level 5 and Capcom.

Konami are collecting all the coins for themselves.

Bomberman is becoming a real hit.
 
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ArchedThunder

Banned
Sammy Samusu said:
Switch's success is a punch on the face of some third parties. I'm mostly talking to Atlus, Level 5 and Capcom.

Konami are collecting all the coins for themselves.

Bomberman is becoming a real hit.
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Japanese 3rd parties that decided to wait be like "Whoops."
I'm sure plenty of announcements are coming. I wonder how many already announced games will have a Switch version announced.
 
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Sammy Samusu

Member
Shizuka said:
How are you gauging the hype for FEW?
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People have been fantasizing about FEW for almost a decade now. Only Nintendo could fuck this up. And I trust they won't especially after the success of Hyrule Warriors. They know what they are doing.

Fire Emblem is also at its peak in terms of popularity and brand awareness.

Don't look too much into the recent Musou bombas. They didn't carry Nintendo's name or hype.
 
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Maxinas

Member
Sammy Samusu said:
People have been fantasizing about FEW for almost a decade now. Only Nintendo could fuck this up. And I trust they won't especially after the success of Hyrule Warriors. They know what they are doing.

Fire Emblem is also at its peak in terms of popularity and brand awareness.

Don't look too much into the recent Musou bombas. They didn't carry Nintendo's name or hype.
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Well, if it includes all the popular FE characters, waifus and bros like Ike, then i agree that FE Warriors will do well.

Personal opinion, characters that HAVE to be in FEW: Marth, Ike, Chrom, Robin, Lucina, Camilla, Lin, Hector, Tharja.

Throw in some bikini armor dlc and we got ourselves a winner.
 
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ArchedThunder

Banned
Sammy Samusu said:
People have been fantasizing about FEW for almost a decade now. Only Nintendo could fuck this up. And I trust they won't especially after the success of Hyrule Warriors. They know what they are doing.

Fire Emblem is also at its peak in terms of popularity and brand awareness.

Don't look too much into the recent Musou bombas. They didn't carry Nintendo's name or hype.
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I think it'll do okay in Japan, but nothing amazing. Western performance will probably carry the title.
 
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Kanann

Member
The right call for FEW are waifu/husbando system and cloth/armour damage system.
(damaged bikini armour LOLOLOL)

Throws SRPG element and HQ building too for more hype!

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Nah, no hype detected.

But Sammy post above make me want this game :p
 
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