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Groot. It's Evil Baby GrootI have no idea as to why they changed the chest bursters from the serpent like creature in ALIEN into the little skinny dancing meme factory we go in this movie....
Groot. It's Evil Baby GrootI have no idea as to why they changed the chest bursters from the serpent like creature in ALIEN into the little skinny dancing meme factory we go in this movie....
So it could look like David was puppeteering it.I have no idea as to why they changed the chest bursters from the serpent like creature in ALIEN into the little skinny dancing meme factory we go in this movie....
Let that be your fan cannon. These are just The Future Adventures of Crazy David The Space Bound Android.The idea that the xenomorphs were "just" a highly aggressive space predator - and the space jockey simply got got by them, probably in the same fashion overzealous Weyland-Yutani employees always seem to - was always more than enough for me. Alas.
Let that be your fan cannon. These are just The Future Adventures of Crazy David The Space Bound Android.
Requiem!?The only films that are canon for me are Alien, Aliens, and Alien vs. Predator: Requiem, but not Alien vs. Predator.
I've said that to my friend. This IS the adventures of David the Gary-Stu Android.Let that be your fan cannon. These are just The Future Adventures of Crazy David The Space Bound Android.
Those little guys were awesome and creepy. Like vicious little skeleton dolls that'll try to rip your throat out. I love them. I want one.I have no idea as to why they changed the chest bursters from the serpent like creature in ALIEN into the little skinny dancing meme factory we go in this movie....
Not really. Not like in Prometheus where people had time to make collected judgement and then made foolish choices just because.So this is another case of "smart" people doing stupid shit?
Those little guys were awesome and creepy. Like vicious little skeleton dolls that'll try to rip your throat out. I love them. I want one.
I have no idea as to why they changed the chest bursters from the serpent like creature in ALIEN into the little skinny dancing meme factory we go in this movie....
Requiem!?
That was so bad I stopped after a few minutes... Anyway my canon is up to 3. But Newt and Hicks are out and about.
No I mean I want an actual little beastie who will crawl around my house like a spider monkey and eat my neighbor's goldfish.Your post is proof that their merchandising plan worked.
Let's all break out the tiki torches and chill on lawn chairs and brainstorm all the things that would have made an airtight masterpiece out of this monster movie about robot-on-alien genocide and robot-on-robot homoeroticism and evil alien creatures that kill you from the inside of your body and then rip your friend's head off.You'd think the Prometheus and Covenant ship would send messages back (even if it takes 1.3 years) to tell earth "hey, there's this alien race with a bio weapon that wants to exterminate earth."
Just so, ya know, some plans can be made.
Also regarding the queen, I'm pretty sure soldiers can impregnate someone with a queen if there is no existing queen present. Wasn't that the entire plot of Alien 3?
The idea that the xenomorphs were "just" a highly aggressive space predator - and the space jockey simply got got by them, probably in the same fashion overzealous Weyland-Yutani employees always seem to - was always more than enough for me. Alas.
What do you find promising about the ending of Covenant? Prometheus' ending filled me with a sense of wonder with how open-ended I perceived it to be at the time, but I felt a bit like I was going through the motions as a viewer at the end of Covenant knowing where Scott wants to take this saga from recent interviews.Like Prometheus, Covenant ends with a promising set up for the next one. That's the best I can say.
If they were "just" a highly aggressive space predator, there wouldn't have been a cargo hold full of eggs.
I'm pretty sure most people would easily kick the tiny alien that is in isolation room. That thing was tiny my first reaction be kick the little shit not drop to floor waving a knife really badly or run around with a shotgun slipping on blood.
He's a fast and mean little guy though. He has spunk.I'm pretty sure most people would easily kick the tiny alien that is in isolation room. That thing was tiny my first reaction be kick the little shit not drop to floor waving a knife really badly or run around with a shotgun slipping on blood.
Let's all break out the tiki torches and chill on lawn chairs and brainstorm all the things that would have made an airtight masterpiece out of this monster movie about robot-on-alien genocide and evil alien creatures that kill you from the inside of your body and then rip your friend's head off.
Let's watch the crew say "screw this you guys!" and hop back in their ship and zip over to their original destination and live happily ever after in that lady's cabin. Actually the last 1.5 hours of the movie could have been all about that lady building her cabin. The placement of the front door to your lakehouse is really crucial for proper feng shui you know.Let's follow this strange person we never met before, but he has a flare gun through the woods, through a mass graveyard. Told we're safe in this wide open temple surrounded by death, find his pet shop of horrors, go off alone, see him communicate with the creature that just bit your friends head off, follow him so more, stick your head in a giant fucking egg because he told you its safe, etc.
This is about on par with Jason telling you to come down a dark alley, while you have no clothes on, in the middle of the night, after you just saw him kill your friend.
This is exactly where I'm coming from. I want to play the game. And the game is pretty OK!Okay.
You don't follow the guy that just scared off the psycho weasels that just blew up the lander and killed something like 5 people in 10 minutes. You tell him to fuck off. He fucks off.
Now what.
What do you think happens that prevents the panicking, resourceless team from dying out there.
At some point, some amount of nightmare logic has to be allowed to come into play in a horror film.
It still has to be done well, yeah. But at a certain point it's not so much criticism as it is amateur bug testing for fiction. You're trying to break the game instead of play it.
So it could look like David was puppeteering it.
You ever have a badger run at ya? Because it's frightening.
Maybe a better question might be why you interpreted the scenes that way. I mean to me it was great fun to see the result of this synthetic man in the grip of megalomania doing his Frankenstein/Moreau thing for a decade. His drawings and specimens and vivisections were creepy and cool. His scenes with the other model of himself had a real tension and charge. I could watch that stuff all day.So much of the David scenes played as farce. Was this a parody in disguise? Like I don't even know how to explain some of what I was seeing.
You think the cold calculating evil scientist character would have been a more suitable audience surrogate than a crew of characters who, just like the audience, must discover what's going on with the mysterious new world they've found? Characters who have relatable relationships and emotions, which establish that they are real people who have something to lose?I didn't expect this movie to double down so hard on the David character and if Ridley INSISTED on doubling down so hard on him, why not make him the audience surrogate? Commit to this idea and make him the main character. The first 30 minutes (which felt long by the way) sets up a non descript crew that becomes fodder anyway. The movie would have been better off eschewing the crew on a mission conceit and just continued with David after Prometheus.
Maybe a better question might be why you interpreted the scenes that way. I mean to me it was great fun to see the result of this synthetic man in the grip of megalomania doing his Frankenstein/Moreau thing for a decade. His drawings and specimens and vivisections were creepy and cool. His scenes with the other model of himself had a real tension and charge. I could watch that stuff all day.
You think the cold calculating evil scientist character would have been a more suitable audience surrogate than a crew of characters who, just like the audience, must discover what's going on with the mysterious new world they've found? Characters who have relatable relationships and emotions, which establish that they are real people who have something to lose?
I mean sorry to be obnoxious but it's probably a good thing you didn't write this movie.
Both.Except for their brawl, I thought the David/Walter interactions were perhaps the most interesting parts of the film, even (especially?) the parts that were homoerotic (or, I guess, masturbatory?).
Except for their brawl, I thought the David/Walter interactions were perhaps the most interesting parts of the film, even (especially?) the parts that were homoerotic (or, I guess, masturbatory?).
They're absolutely the most interesting moments. You get to watch Ridley Scott yell at himself for like 30 minutes.
And then seduce himself.
And then give himself JUSTIFICATION to do it.
It's fuckin' bananas.
I didn't particular care about them, but I sympathized. And that was all that was necessary for their suffering to mean more than "OK bye."You actually cared about these characters? Can you tell me anything about any of them other than the fact that they're married and on a colonization mission?
Stop, my pants are tight enough already!I await the next film to have 3 Fassbenders trying to seduce each other
I didn't particular care about them, but I sympathized. And that was all that was necessary for their suffering to mean more than "OK bye."
Not that I was shedding tears, but each injury and death made me go "ouch wow that sucks." I was engaged.
Stop, my pants are tight enough already!
They sort of lost my sympathy when they landed on an uncharted alien world without helmets and exposed themselves needlessly to deadly airborne pathogens,
Okay.
You don't follow the guy that just scared off the psycho weasels that just blew up the lander and killed something like 5 people in 10 minutes. You tell him to fuck off. He fucks off.
Now what.
What do you think happens that prevents the panicking, resourceless team from dying out there.
At some point, some amount of nightmare logic has to be allowed to come into play in a horror film.
It still has to be done well, yeah. But at a certain point it's not so much criticism as it is amateur bug testing for fiction. You're trying to break the game instead of play it.
They sort of lost my sympathy when they landed on an uncharted alien world without helmets and exposed themselves needlessly to deadly airborne pathogens, but I guess they had to go without helmets because this story they wanted to tell couldn't be told otherwise
They thought they were going to live there. They had analyzed the atmosphere IIRC. Of course they took their helmets off. Nobody stepped on the evil death fungus on purpose.They sort of lost my sympathy when they landed on an uncharted alien world without helmets and exposed themselves needlessly to deadly airborne pathogens, but I guess they had to go without helmets because this story they wanted to tell couldn't be told otherwise
I mean, I'm not saying there's not a lot to criticize, because there very obviously is. I'm doing it all over the thread in fact. My recommendation comes with the caveat that at best it's only a little better than Alien 3.
But man...
Again, the film actually takes care to explain why they're doing that.
But it falls apart completely once they hit David's home. Its poor characterization alongside poor plot progression, to continually make every event based on an even more irrational decision than the previous. You need to balance it out at some point. The film does not. It works more as a parody, because you have an escalation to almost the point where if Scott was not reaching out to the audience and breaking the 4th wall with David's and Crudup's conversation, I don't have a response to it.
Ignoring the fact that going into an alien atmosphere with no containment suits makes zero sense,
Maybe I'm misremembering but all I recall was that that Mother did some preliminary reconnaissance on the planet and it was deemed earthlike and habitable but that doesn't preclude the possibility that they could have expose themselves to indigenous pathogens.