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Vanquish PC: 'Hidden' additional challenge from playing on higher framerates
- Thread starter texhnolyze
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Faster to die on higher framerates?
Bring it.
A+ gif usage
Souless Squirrel
Member
Well that explains why I was getting completed owned when I forgot to cap my framerate
Krusenstern
Banned
There is also an odd animation bug. From the same user:
I hope Little Stone Software (the studio behind this port) will fix these and other possible bugs.
One more nitpick. When using a mouse and keyboard and sliding towards the camera, there's some sort of animation bug that prevents Sam from actually looking/aiming behind him as he normally would. This isn't an issue if you pull off the same maneuver with a controller. I'd say it doesn't have an impact on gameplay, but your bullets do seem to be physically shooting out from a different location than normal. And it just looks incredibly silly.
Controller
Mouse
Edit: My mistake, the gif labeled 144FPS was actually running at about 68FPS. I didn't note the drop in framerate from recording with FRAPS. Luckily, the damage seems to stop scaling after 60FPS (it still takes about a second for AR mode to activate whether at 60FPS or 144FPS)
I hope Little Stone Software (the studio behind this port) will fix these and other possible bugs.
copelandmaster
Member
So that explains why I died so fast while playing on hard mode last night. Way more brutal than the PS3 version I remember playing years ago.
Worth it for that 120fps, but it should be patched.
Worth it for that 120fps, but it should be patched.
Fahzgoolin
Banned
Lol somebody put in player hit detection and health into their update() functions that draws every frame.
I'm honestly amazed games can still be successful made that way.
I'm honestly amazed games can still be successful made that way.
I felt like DF did a good job presenting this port.
The company who did the port(it's not Platinum Games) is pretty good about patching their games rather quickly.
Hopefully this and the first person view slowdown gets fixed soon.
People whining about FOV and other aspect ratio are probably not intelligent enough to read and understand that those options are not supported. That is why they are only available as launch options. But it doesn't work for them so they want someone to pay for it... People are ridiculous.
The company who did the port(it's not Platinum Games) is pretty good about patching their games rather quickly.
Hopefully this and the first person view slowdown gets fixed soon.
People whining about FOV and other aspect ratio are probably not intelligent enough to read and understand that those options are not supported. That is why they are only available as launch options. But it doesn't work for them so they want someone to pay for it... People are ridiculous.
Garrett Hawke
Member
You tell those 2010 devs!!!
Sword Of Doom
Member
I was wondering why it was almost instant during the tutorial. I was playing at 144hz.
potatohead
Member
Because they actually don't know shit
RandomExpletive
Member
That would explain some of my deaths
Not all of them though, I'm still pretty bad
Not all of them though, I'm still pretty bad
Sorcerer Supreme
Member
because they dont actually play the games for more than 5 minutes
zombieshavebrains
I have not used cocaine
Didn't he say the 144fps gif is at 68fps in the Vanquish thread? Or was that something else?
Prophet Steve
Member
Or because the purpose of their videos isn't a comparison that focuses on the gameplay but on the technical graphical aspects of the port.
Where it makes perfect sense to pay on a low difficulty and you are unlikely to pay much attention to that then.
Abilidebob
Member
But does it make the game better? Valkyria Chronicles was actually better when the bug was still around. The increased difficulty made the game way more tactical, instead of just going LOL RUSH SCOUT
LinkSlayer64
Member
Look, you think devs would learn from adventure games in the 80s-90s not to code their stuff to the Hz of the system, or in this case, the FPS.
You guys so maaaad they got more YouTube subscribers than you. Aren't these the guys who detected the hiccup in Mario Kart 8 that technically made it a 59 fps game?
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
Uh...what?
well it restricts some of the crazier stuff you can do. Based on my 100fps hard mode gameplay last night I'd say that it's still quite doable and makes bosses more intense. But you can't freely boost around and melee very much.
I've read two opposite things on this today. You're suggesting Valkyria Chronicles was better with the bug, but someone in the Vanquish thread mentioned certain missions were literally impossible because tanks couldn't climb certain hills. Surely that's not better?
Abilidebob
Member
I see, that's not too good.
Some hills/ramps were hard to climb with a tank, but not impossible(that I remember). I'd say the increased difficulty was a good trade-off for dealing with the tanks climbing hills.
Just played the game for the first time last night, was surprised at how difficult the early combat encounters were considering I was just learning how to play the game (on normal).
Good to know it wasn't because I totally sucked, was trying to do cool stuff and suffered for it.
Good to know it wasn't because I totally sucked, was trying to do cool stuff and suffered for it.
Yeah, that's totally it. You're really smart.
Shh, don't bother them during recess. Playground time >> answering for their shitposts
djplaeskool
Member
It happens sort of frequently that porting to such a variable platform introduces these quirks.
Like in Lightning Returns FFXIII, where playing the game at an unlocked framerate causes goofy global event issues like planted gysahl greens vanishing from your garden and such.
inpHilltr8r
Member
"just unlock the framerate" lol
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Both comments are true, kind of.
Units would take faster damage at 60fps, which made a common overpowered strategy much less usable, and generally improved the balance of the game. However, it also added physics problems which caused the tank problems you read about.
The tank thing only really fucked up a couple of missions really, and was otherwise not much of a big deal. Ideally people wanted to have the physics issues fixed but the new balance kept.
Bitter much? They do performance analysis. Not bug checking.
Little Stone had the same problem with their last port (Valkyria Chronicles) too. Not sure if that ever got fixed.
EDIT: It was fixed: http://steamcommunity.com/app/294860/discussions/0/617328415060035402/
EDIT: It was fixed: http://steamcommunity.com/app/294860/discussions/0/617328415060035402/
Kssio_Aug
Member
LoL at people pointing the finger to DF about this stuff.
It's not their job to find bugs! They do technical analysis. And they most certainly played it in casual or normal difficulty and didn't notice it, as many other players didn't either. The game is 7 years old, they wouldn't remember this detail.
Also, Bayonetta had QTE issues related to the 60fps. I don't know if it was fixed in a later patch, I'm pretty sure many players didn't notice that too (just found the QTE insanely hard at certain points).
It's not their job to find bugs! They do technical analysis. And they most certainly played it in casual or normal difficulty and didn't notice it, as many other players didn't either. The game is 7 years old, they wouldn't remember this detail.
Also, Bayonetta had QTE issues related to the 60fps. I don't know if it was fixed in a later patch, I'm pretty sure many players didn't notice that too (just found the QTE insanely hard at certain points).
Yeah, Valkyria was improved with the damage bug, but that was because enemy damage was too low to start with. I don't think Vanquish has that problem (haven't played it yet).
And tanks moving only caused the game to tunnel you into specific strategies, it didn't specifically break anything or make missions impossible or anything.
Bayonetta runs at 60 on consoles so no it didn't.
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
I was wondering why it looked like TB was getting blown up like he was playing on god hard in his overview of the port.
Kssio_Aug
Member
Many players that noticed it believes it may be due to the frame stability. It ran at 60fps, but not all the time.
Zombegoast
Member
Games benefits for being 30fps
dragonlife
Member
Holy shit, no wonder I was perplexed at the damage values sometimes. I usually get 130 FPS. Playing on Normal, though.
I think it says good things about the gameplay that a bunch of us were playing on hard with this bug and just outplayed it, lol.
I assumed I was just bad after my long absence from the game. In the leadup to its release I had played the demo tons of times so I was good at it going in.
I assumed I was just bad after my long absence from the game. In the leadup to its release I had played the demo tons of times so I was good at it going in.