Would they really be able to keep up that pace developing two separate HD series though?
They'd have even less assets to share, if they could share them at all.
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Let us calmly discuss the Monster Hunter 4chan rumor about PS4 and Switch
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Would they really be able to keep up that pace developing two separate HD series though?
They'd have even less assets to share, if they could share them at all.
They could basically just get rid of the loading screens for pathways and itd be the same
But Switch is a home console. There would be no benefit to consumers outside better graphics on PS4.
Earthpainting
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If this rumour isn't fake, it sounds like a confused project. Making a much more expensive version of Monster Hunter on a platform with an unproven audience, while also changing many elements that make the series what it is. That's not even getting into the fact that you'd be stripping away the local co-op aspects that the current fanbase expects, and replacing it with online-only multiplayer with a subscription fee. I don't know what the Monster Hunter demographics are like in Japan, but if they lean towards the younger side, then such a move would further complicate things. They'd have to compensate in the west even more.
Well we don't know what their model is for the console version yet so it's hard to say. They may not want to release annual content for the PS4 game. Japan is used to a major release every year but the west is different. We also don't know if sales will be strong enough to justify annual releases. We'll have to wait and see about that.
Switch on the other hand should be business as usual tbh.
Jawmuncher
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That's semantics. I'm not gonna remember to list the switch as a hybrid every time I talk about. Outside of that, there was that study that put graphics as one of the highest factors of influencing a purchase, so it's a benefit nonetheless. Then there's the whole broadening the brand in the west and hyphoetically a game on PS4 could boost that. I don't personally care where MH ends up. I can just see why this rumored situation could possibly happen.
Mr.Deadshot
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Game as a Service with F2P or Buy-2-Play entry and ingame-store for cosmetic stuff might work, too.
I wonder which team is making it since the main MH one is supposed to be working on the Switch MH games according to the rumor.
Watch them using
3DS assets in the Switch "series" and then use the PS4 game as an excuse for that.
Watch them using
HD
Unless the Switch games look like MHXX, they are going to have to significantly increase their art asset production or cut the amount of content dramatically.
That's going to be an issue regardless of this rumour though.
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That definitely would hurt the series though IMO.
The part that makes least amount of sense to me is that the rumor states Nintendo was never brought in for negotiation. If you are Capcom, why would you not negotiate with Nintendo to get the most lucrative deal you can? You always try to get multiple offers and have companies bid against each other. I can see Sony not wanting to bring Nintendo to the negotiation table, but why on earth would you agree to that if you were Capcom? Why limit your potential deal?
The Broken Ska Record
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Unless Sony offered to do marketing, or something, and they knew Nintendo wouldn't have helped with that. Or it could even be that Capcom felt that Sony could help them make MonHun bigger in the West than Nintendo could.
I was under the impression that the main team is working on it after finishing MH4. If I'm not mistaken, the "Portable" team did MHX.
The rumour makes no sense to me!
According to the rumour they do after the SFV deal.
I'm just going by what the rumour says. Sony pays Capcom to make this game and to keep it off the Switch. I'd expect this to be MH5, not a spin-off. That's how Sony wants to sell the PS4 to the MH fans. If it was just a spin-off they would easily ignore it. And if the SFV deal is anything to go by MH5 will never arrive on Switch. I don't know if MH5 Reborn Edition or something could release on Switch or if Capcom would have to launch a new label for the Switch MH series.
This rumour is fun.
Then if you are Capcom, you go to Nintendo and say "Here is what Sony is willing to do with us. Can you match or better that?" If they say "no," you accept Sony's deal. If they say "yes," you go back to Sony and try to get a better deal out of them. You don't just sign a deal without seeing if you can get a better one.
The Broken Ska Record
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That's what a normal company would do. After all this is Capcom, and some of their decisions, as of late, seem a bit unsound.
I doubt they even consulted Nintendo about a hypothetical deal, because Nintendo doesn't have a 60 million (probably closer to 80 million by the time this ships) install base worldwide with their console, so the goal of growing the IP internationally would only fit with PS4/Xbox/PC and not Nintendo.
You are not going to win the japanese market with an open world MH while existing MHXX for Switch (yes, even if it's 1 year old by then). It's just not doing to happen. Portability is a huge deal for japan.
Well, might be successful, but not going to dethrone the standard MHXX
Well, might be successful, but not going to dethrone the standard MHXX
I don't understand a specific point: is MH a series founded with Nintendo money? (in the last years)
I mean: is there a signed contract from Capcom-Nintendo that can end all this rumors?
We should debate about the facts in order to discuss possible scenarios, otherwise it's just fantasies.
What we know about Capcom and Nintendo contracts in the last 5 years?
I mean: is there a signed contract from Capcom-Nintendo that can end all this rumors?
We should debate about the facts in order to discuss possible scenarios, otherwise it's just fantasies.
What we know about Capcom and Nintendo contracts in the last 5 years?
Timeline of events:
- Monster Hunter blows up on PSP with MHP2nd
- Blows up further with MHP2ndG, it's now selling in the millions
- Destroys everything in its path with MHP3rd selling 5 million. Capcom has ascended into Heaven
- Sony unveils the Vita, with Capcom on stage showing off how Monster Hunter plays better with a 2nd analogue stick
- SURPRISE MOTHERFUCKERS MH IS NOW ON 3DS, NO VITA VERSION IN DEVELOPMENT
This is not an argument. Switch is a home console and hybrid. These things are not mutually exclusive by definition.
Did any Capcom perform in line of expectations on PS4?
the endless debate will be over when MHXX finally launches on switch. But I'm not sure about MH6 though
Well, what people are doing right now is 100% theorycrafting.
The only deals we know for sure is the one with nintendo on the 3ds era, that was for 5 years.
Other than then, there is 0 proof around that capcom change his mine about which console to choose for his brand.
The announcment of mhXX on switch is a clear sign of capcom staying with nintendo still.
Lyon N. Laap
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Would it? The loading screens cuts down on downtime of moving between zones while keeping the illusion of distinct areas and a large ecosystem.
Replacing all the loading screens with long pathways will either increase downtime between just traversing from zone to zone, or force the devs to make the pathways shorter, potentially creating jarring environment shifts or removing the illusion of a large area you are chasing the monster through.
I'd think the maps would have to change to be much more open, possibly larger, would the load times between zones be removed.
But does capcom care about that? They could have a contract that says the next mainline is on ps4 and use the oporunity to make a mh more appelaing to the west. Iirc, re code veronica was going to be a mainline entry but due to contract with sony the name was changed and its name was given to the ps spinoff instead.
manueldelalas
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That is a high risk, because of they did that, and didn't match Sony's offer, they would know what they are up to.
Next step, Nintendo knocks on Bamco's door, tells them the Sony Capcom deal and offers then a similar one for exclusive God Eater, with promotion and all, giving their direct competitor a great opportunity.
Because let's face reality, Switch is a much better console for MH like games than PS4, a million times better.
So you end up giving two choices to people, the game they want on the platform they don't want, or the copy of the game they want on the platform they want.
Could damage the franchise a lot.
Again, if you are Capcom, you go to Nintendo and ask about their upcoming hardware plans and see if you can get a better deal. If you are not satisfied with Nintendo's plans, or feel they won't be successful, then you sign with Sony. It just makes no sense to not involve Nintendo in the discussion at all.
That is how negotiations work. And what is to prevent Nintendo from going to Bamco after this deal is announced (assuming it is real)?
In 2015 or whenever this started development, there would be no way for Nintendo to offer a better deal that would give Capcom the chance at international IP growth for MH. Switch wasn't a thing and PS4 was dominating. What were they going to do? Make empty promises about how their next console would be so much more successful than the Wii U while the PS4 is selling millions and millions of software? Nope.
Even if they made a deal with Nintendo for a planned release in 2018, do you realise the difference in install base between PS4 and Switch would make them look silly?
I mean, this isn't another Platinum-Bayonetta 2-Nintendo scenario, right?
Capcom shouldn't be forced to stay on Nintendo platforms by signed contacts and funding; I mean, we have no signed proof of this.
It's a specific Capcom business decision to focus on a platform, right?
If it's so, the entire thread is pretty pointless :/ (I just read again the OP post, to be sure)
The rumor was nothing but Sony fans trying to cope with reality. There was never a sign of anything beyond Nintendo helping advertise and localizing.
Pointing out 3DS would be an idea.
Other than that, sony pays for many companies for keep mh-clone on their console exclusively like tuokiden 1-2 and god eater.
And we have to keep in mind that japanese companies are a LOT carefull on moving outside on west.
Doing a move like that would put the whole brand on risk.
And let's remember that capcom income on the last years were not soo great (other than mh and other few brands)
And we have to keep in mind that japanese companies are a LOT carefull on moving outside on west.
Doing a move like that would put the whole brand on risk.
And let's remember that capcom income on the last years were not soo great (other than mh and other few brands)
3DS is not a console and the whole point of a western-focused MH is to tap into the console market where software sales are strongest. Capcom recently stated that handhelds in the west only represent 10-15% of overall market share or whatever.
When they start to make mh3 for 3ds, 3ds was still very very WEAK on number of console even only counting japan.
I don't get the point..
Jawmuncher
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Thankfully there isn't a rule enforcing what I call the switch.
Dunno why you're getting hung up about this, everyone else understood what I meant.
I'm not disagreeing with you that Capcom may have come to that very conclusion. My point was that it makes no sense that Capcom didn't at least discuss the situation with Nintendo.
ArtHands
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Desperation/wishful thinking
The bolded doesn't completely make sense. When the PS4 was launching the 3DS had a massive install Base advantage but you didn't see PS3 developers go to the 3DS. It's still rare for franchises to completely break platform continuity.
Also the NX would have been way into development in 2015 and Capcom would have been one of the first to hear about. Not only that one of the first things Iwata ever said about NX was the fact that it was meant to appeal to the divergent tastes of consoles in West and handhelds in Japan.
I'm not saying they didn't, I'm just saying that there wouldn't be much to talk about. Nintendo wasn't in a good position two or three years ago in the console space and even if Switch sells well from now until next year when this supposed MH5 is out then it still wouldn't be anywhere close to what PS4 has in market share.
Laplasakos
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Why should they discuss the situation with Nintendo? It's Capcom's franchise not Nintendo's. Do you think Capcom also talked with Sony before the announcement of MH3G and MH4 on 3DS?
Handheld console.
Monster Hunter is traditionally strongest on handheld consoles.
And still, Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate sold in the west almost as much as Street Fighter V worldwide.
You called Switch a hybrid therefore you are correct. It is a home-/handheld console aka a hybrid.
So are you expecting Monster Hunter 6 to be Switch exclusive because PS5 won't have an install Base?
I feel like you're ignoring the logic I've presented in the last few posts about Capcom being unhappy with handheld market share in the west and wanting to be where the most action is, in this case consoles.
To try and get a better deal out of them.
But then that brings up the issue that happened with Tri, in that they did a great job advancing the visuals for the monsters and environments, but it came at the expense of a much smaller roster. Content is king in this genre, and going back to a small roster will have a major impact on the shelf life for the game. Even loading it up with a subspecies for each monster wouldn't fix that problem, as evidenced by the complaints that God Eater and Toukiden get for relying so heavily on their various variants.
Like, I don't think MHO looks all that great myself (just so much clashing of legacy and new assets), but are those the kinds of visuals you would want at a minimum? That's what I mean in terms of keeping it somewhat lo-fi, since I can't imagine that Capcom has the money for something more elaborate, Sony money or not.
They already did that with Street Fighter V and it backfired. Granted, they could do the same mistake twice but we have no proof.
I agree that likely points to an appearance on PS4 but the actual comment was very vague and could have been about Switch and even if they did mean a release on PS4 that doesn't necessarily corroborate this rumour at all.
SFV bombed because it's a subpar product. This is something that not only Capcom has acknowledged but also the Tekken 7 director who said he wants to avoid SFV's mistake in shipping a game with sweet fuck all in content.
I think the existence of MH6 on PS5 will largely depend on this rumoured title's performance on PS4 and whatever other platform(s) it's on.
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