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PSE launching with Pokemon Stars and MH5

#BELIEVE

#TeamREAL

 

[ggx2ac]

Again, what's your argument exactly? Do you consider this a wise move on Sony's part or not? I personally think it wasn't, but even if it was, it's kind of a stretch to use it as evidence that they should leave the PS4 to die in Japan too.

They can't really do much for the PS4 in Japan as it is. FFXV is the first and only title that crawled to a million sales, that tells you how bad home consoles are doing in Japan.

The Switch may end up with two or three one million sellers in Japan this year whereas it took three years for the PS4 to get a one million seller.

 

[watershed]

So the new fan-theory regarding this rumor is the Deep Down has become MH5 for the PS4?

 

[F31 Leopard]

I'll quote myself from the other MH thread on my opinion regarding open world.

No to the open world. As an MH vet with numerous hours over the years I like the way the map is. The set up is multiple "arenas" that are linked together. Each "arena" differs from each other which you have to adapt to the surroundings. Some sections are very small with very little room for error and some are big that give you a little more breathing room. There are areas that have ledges, water, temperature changes etc. that gives advantages/disadvantages to the monster or the player. Monsters traverse some sections of the map not available to the player. Making those parts available via open world would impact the the "arena" aspect of the game.

The thing is Monster Hunter is not an adventure game. It's a mission based arena fighter with specific objectives. If they make an open world Monster Hunter make that the spin off and call it Monster Hunter Adventure or something. Keep the existing format for the mainline entries. Only change I can think of right now for mainline MH are urgents. You should not need to be the poster to "HR up". As long as you completed the key quests that should warrant the promotion when participating in urgents.

 

[Passose]

So the new fan-theory regarding this rumor is the Deep Down has become MH5 for the PS4?

the new MH game should be a F2P game then

 

[clay_ghost]

I'll quote myself from the other MH thread on my opinion regarding open world.





The thing is Monster Hunter is not an adventure game. It's a mission based arena fighter with specific objectives. If they make an open world Monster Hunter make that the spin off and call it Monster Hunter Adventure or something. Keep the existing format for the mainline entries. Only change I can think of right now for mainline MH are urgents. You should not need to be the poster to "HR up". As long as you completed the key quests that should warrant the promotion when participating in urgents.

Does it matter if original fans know the difference? They can call it MH5 but fans will know what they are getting and make their decision on whether they want to buy it.

Spoiler

If true.

I think Sony have a bad deal with this.

 

[Kyoufu]

So the new fan-theory regarding this rumor is the Deep Down has become MH5 for the PS4?

huh?

 

[qko]

Does it matter if original fans know the difference? They can call it MH5 but fans will know what they are getting and make their decision on whether they want to buy it.

Spoiler

If true.

I think Sony have a bad deal with this.

It would matter to Capcom when the Monster Hunter clones end up eating their share of original fans looking for their fix.

I'll admit not being the biggest fan of the game until getting a used version of Freedom Unite on the PSP. Since then it's been a day one purchase every time a new one comes out. Changing the formula would really be disappointing to be honest.

 

[Juraash]

It would matter to Capcom when the Monster Hunter clones end up eating their share of original fans looking for their fix.

I'll admit not being the biggest fan of the game until getting a used version of Freedom Unite on the PSP. Since then it's been a day one purchase every time a new one comes out. Changing the formula would really be disappointing to be honest.

Changing it as much as this rumor implies or that some people seem to want would get me to check right the fuck out. 4, to me, was the best iteration the series has gotten. I think X/Gen take things way too far, especially with the hunter arts. Styles are...fine I guess but to they never really gelled with me, even when I tried weapons I don't normally play with.

Part of what makes me so fanatical about MH is how it plays mechanically. Start messing with that too extensively and there's no reason for me to keep buying in. Co-op, while really important, is not the primary draw.

 

[Oregano]

It would matter to Capcom when the Monster Hunter clones end up eating their share of original fans looking for their fix.

I'll admit not being the biggest fan of the game until getting a used version of Freedom Unite on the PSP. Since then it's been a day one purchase every time a new one comes out. Changing the formula would really be disappointing to be honest.

What clones?

The ones that are trying and failing to shift to PS4 as well?

 

[redcrayon]

. Only change I can think of right now for mainline MH are urgents. You should not need to be the poster to "HR up". As long as you completed the key quests that should warrant the promotion when participating in urgents.

I really wish they'd do this. If you've done the relevant key quests, there's no reason why you can't complete the urgent at the same time as the quest poster. It makes no sense to only have the quest starter count as completing it, as there's no incentive for others to help. You just have to hope everyone sticks around afterwards, but expecting people to play the same lengthy fight over and over again after they've won is unrealistic. Also, even if you're in a group cycling through, it's frustrating to play for two hours and have everyone else promote, yet have the team fail in the first ten minutes on 'your' attempt due to some foolish KOs, I've been eligible to promote and done the same urgent for two nights running, helping others complete the quest over and over again, but with hunters consistently bungling any of my attempts. Leave grinding the urgent for the people that actually want to for the materials, not those looking to move on, particularly when the urgent can be lengthy battles with fresh mechanics and a high initial failure rate as rookie hunters run into them for the first time.

 

[Passose]

Rating the chance of which platform MH5 will go to:
1-still being Switch only( Capcom still needs Nintendo's strong marketing for the franchise and it has to get over in the west on one platform first)-this is most likely will happen
2- Switch and Ps4 multiplat( even though he series has never been big on home consoles, but betting the series on ps4 with a big fanbase in the west is still a good idea after all and capcom won't lose anything)- it has a decent chance to happen
3- Ps4 getting a westernized MH5 and Switch getting a freedom series( even though it sounds stupid, but imagine if you were capcom in 2015, the 3ds was on its way out and Sony offered you a big chunk of money, why didn't you take it. Doing this will seperate the fanbase and that's not good at all,and doing two seires at once will double the cost,but this is the modern capcom we're talking about)- it has a slight chance of happening
4-MH5 PS4 exclusive, abandon the Switch completely, no "portable series" back up- that won't happen, but err
5-MH5 Ps4 exclusive and the PS4 will also get a freedom series to make sure Japanese fans will buy the ps4, abandon the switch completely-.................


edit:feel free to replace 1 and 2 if you want.
edit 2: there is also a situation that switch getting both the westernized game and the portable game exclusively, but errr

 

[F31 Leopard]

Also, even if you're in a group cycling through, it's frustrating to play for two hours and have everyone else promote, yet have the team fail in the first ten minutes on 'your' attempt due to some foolish KOs

Lol yeah I'm all too familiar encountering this myself. Sometimes I would end up just soloing or duoing my urgents.

 

[Mr.Deadshot]

So the new fan-theory regarding this rumor is the Deep Down has become MH5 for the PS4?

No, Deep Down is now Dragons Dogma 2

 

[MouldyK]

I've just had a random thought: Is Monster Hunter's Popularity in Japan still attributed to the love of Local Play and Communities over there?

I remember this article from Kotaku speaking about it:

Another, and perhaps the biggest factor in the strength of the Monster Hunter series, is Japan's sense of community. Due to the nature of the game's multi-player system, particularly with the PSP and 3DS, when playing with others, you will almost invariably be playing with someone you know—more often than not, a friend. Most people seem to get their introduction to the game from the people around them. "My boss talked me into playing [Monster Hunter 3rd]" says Ryouhei, a 24 year-old clerk who would spend hours after work huddled together with his co-workers. "It's fun to work together with friends towards a mutual goal."

The fact that friends are playing the game acts as an incentive for people to join in as well as keep playing. In Japan, a country with imperial origins, there is often enormous pressure to fit in in communities. When something is popular among one's peers, it's best to get in on the action, or at the very least know what all the hubbub is about. While this mindset has lessened in the years of democratic rule, it remains embedded in a large part of society. "On a trip with 15 or so colleagues, everyone but me was playing Monster Hunter on their PSPs." Kenji, a 25 year-old actor recalls, "I sat in the corner playing Final Fantasy on my PSP, while everybody else sat in circles of 3 or 4 laughing and having fun… It was terrible. When I got home, the first thing I did was get a copy of the game."

Monster Hunter is pretty much tailor-made for hand-held consoles. This could be part of the reason why it has not caught on as strongly outside of Japan. Portable systems are much stronger sellers in Japan than in other regions. This could be attributed to several factors; the dense population leading to the development of smaller consoles with equal, if not higher performance levels than older, larger versions, and the abundance of mass transit, leaving large portions of the population with very little to do during the long train/bus rides to and from school/work.

If so...wouldn't a console-only game ruin that somewhat?

I know it's been 4 years since then, but I want to know if things have changed.

 

[staticneuron]

I've just had a random thought: Is Monster Hunter's Popularity in Japan still attributed to the love of Local Play and Communities over there?

I remember this article from Kotaku speaking about it:



If so...wouldn't a console-only game ruin that somewhat?

I know it's been 4 years since then, but I want to know if things have changed.

Console only game caters to a different market entirely. This would be a point to muse if the rumor did not mention more than one switch version. The original Monster Hunter was on PS2, so the game would be making a return to form.

 

[Oersted]

Console only game caters to a different market entirely.

As it has been pointed out countless times, a traditionally smaller market.

 

[Oregano]

I've just had a random thought: Is Monster Hunter's Popularity in Japan still attributed to the love of Local Play and Communities over there?

I remember this article from Kotaku speaking about it:



If so...wouldn't a console-only game ruin that somewhat?

I know it's been 4 years since then, but I want to know if things have changed.

The only thing that has changed is that home consoles have declined even more.

 

[Inviusx]

I feel like a proper made for console MH would be extremely expensive to produce these days.

 

[Ridley327]

I feel like a proper made for console MH would be extremely expensive to produce these days.

What is a "proper made for console" Monster Hunter, though? I know people will say "doesn't look like a PS2 game" as the usual response, but what does that actually mean?

 

[Inviusx]

What is a "proper made for console" Monster Hunter, though? I know people will say "doesn't look like a PS2 game" as the usual response, but what does that actually mean?

Well modern visuals is where most of the money would go to be honest.

 

[Ridley327]

Well modern visuals is where most of the money would go to be honest.

I get that, but like how modern are we talking? Do people want the game to look like Horizon, or would they be OK with something that would be more in the range of PS3 if it meant that the roster stayed about the same size? There's just a wide range to explore here that I think it would be much more helpful if that was articulated more.

 

[Laplasakos]

The only thing that has changed is that home consoles have declined even more.

They have? Last time i ckecked a MediaCreate thread, PS4 was ahead of PS3 both in software and hardware.

Also handhelds have declined worse than consoles. The series peaked with Portable 3 on PSP.

 

[JPS Kai]

I'll quote myself from the other MH thread on my opinion regarding open world.





The thing is Monster Hunter is not an adventure game. It's a mission based arena fighter with specific objectives. If they make an open world Monster Hunter make that the spin off and call it Monster Hunter Adventure or something. Keep the existing format for the mainline entries. Only change I can think of right now for mainline MH are urgents. You should not need to be the poster to "HR up". As long as you completed the key quests that should warrant the promotion when participating in urgents.

Toukiden 2. You can make an open world game that still contains arenas.

 

[gtj1092]

The only thing that has changed is that home consoles have declined even more.

By home consoles do you mean portable as well? Dedicated gaming is shrinking in Japan every year.


Also if MH has no appeal on consoles then there's nothing to worry about when it comes to splitting the user base if they do a multiplat version.

You do realise though that the PS3 wasn't even the best selling home console last gen. the PS4 is unlikely to match the life time sales of the PS3 and that's before we consider the void left by the wii.

Handhelds have also seen a sharp decline but that was from a ludicrously large ceiling that was unlikely to be maintained.

So you agree with him but have excuses why one decline is ok but not the other. Switch won't match 3DS either.

 

[AdventureRacing]

They have? Last time i ckecked a MediaCreate thread, PS4 was ahead of PS3 both in software and hardware.

Also handhelds have declined worse than consoles. The series peaked with Portable 3 on PSP.

You do realise though that the PS3 wasn't even the best selling home console last gen. the PS4 is unlikely to match the life time sales of the PS3 and that's before we consider the void left by the wii.

Handhelds have also seen a sharp decline but that was from a ludicrously large ceiling that was unlikely to be maintained.

 

[Zedark]

I think the issue with the rumour is that producing a Monster Hunter focused on the West will mean that the game needs to go big with production values to break into the western market: it has a limited appeal in the West, especially since it has no presence on Playstation for quite some time, and to become big in the West (which is what Capcom wants), the game needs to go really big; Persona 5 and Nier managed to go big without necessarily having massive production values, but Monster Hunter would need to be much larger than those numbers, especially since it's likely that Japanese numbers will drop compared to 4 due to the PS4. The Switch portable series makes little sense to me, since at this point the two games would diverge so much that they might as well make the PS4 Western Monster Hunter be a separate series.

And the bit about wanting Japan back obviously doesn't rhyme with a Western-style Monster Hunter game. I think the rumour is not true, in short.

 

[butzopower]

I'm not sure what gets emphasized in an open world Monster Hunter. Is there more focus on seeking out the monsters in an open world? So then what do you put in all the empty space? The small monsters that are usually fodder? It feels like anything that deemphasizes fighting the huge monster is missing the point of Monster Hunter.

 

[Oregano]

By home consoles do you mean portable as well? Dedicated gaming is shrinking in Japan every year.


Also if MH has no appeal on consoles then there's nothing to worry about when it comes to splitting the user base if they do a multiplat version.



So you agree with him but have excuses why one decline is ok but not the other. Switch won't match 3DS either.

Portables declined too but the 3DS is going to end up the second or third most successful hardware ever in Japan.

PS4 is going to fall back behind PS3 and matching PS3 means it's a middling success at best.

It's also way too early to say Switch won't match 3DS, I agree it's unlikely but we don't know.

Edit: The sales ceiling for PS4 releases is a lot lower than previous home consoles too.

 

[Laughing Banana]

The part that is questionable for me is Sony specifically asked Capcom not to bring it to Switch.

It's kinda hard to imagine Sony acts like a malicious petty fanboy like that.

 

[oti]

The part that is questionable for me is Sony specifically asked Capcom not to bring it to Switch.

It's kinda hard to imagine Sony acts like a malicious petty fanboy like that.

If the goal is to boost PS4 sales... what else could they do? Why give Capcom tons of money to develop a game that would sell better on another platform?

 

[cw_sasuke]

The part that is questionable for me is Sony specifically asked Capcom not to bring it to Switch.

It's kinda hard to imagine Sony acts like a malicious petty fanboy like that.

Doubt was phrased like this even if the post quoted it like this. Sounds like a usual console exclusive, just to make sure if Sony markets the game in the West its an exclusive. Same way Nintendo wouldnt have pushed the MH series in the west if Capcom keep releasing it on other systems as well.

 

[Little Mons†er]

The part that is questionable for me is Sony specifically asked Capcom not to bring it to Switch.

It's kinda hard to imagine Sony acts like a malicious petty fanboy like that.

Yeah if true it'd be surprising for Sony to moneyhat a title to prevent it coming to other platforms

But then again, Microsoft did the same with TR so I guess its common practise in the industry

 

[jts]

The part that is questionable for me is Sony specifically asked Capcom not to bring it to Switch.

It's kinda hard to imagine Sony acts like a malicious petty fanboy like that.

It's just business. Same thing as exclusives, except in Japan PC and Xbox don't matter much so they might as well not care if the game comes out in those. The point would be to try and turn around Nintendo's mindshare in Japan into Sony's.

 

[Seik]

The part that is questionable for me is Sony specifically asked Capcom not to bring it to Switch.

It's kinda hard to imagine Sony acts like a malicious petty fanboy like that.

Didn't they do that for SFV though?

I mean, they accelerated the development process, too, but at the same time they locked it down as a console exclusive.

 

[Oersted]

If the goal is to boost PS4 sales... what else could they do? Why give Capcom tons of money to develop a game that would sell better on another platform?

Why would be Capcom willing to potentially harm a second IP in the row?

Yeah if true it'd be surprising for Sony to moneyhat a title to prevent it coming to other platforms

But then again, Microsoft did the same with TR so I guess its common practise in the industry

That was timed. New entries into main IPs being contractually completely exclusive to one plattform is still rare. There was Titanfall and Street Fighter V. Both didn't work so well.

 

[Passose]

Toukiden 2. You can make an open world game that still contains arenas.

the thing is, Toukiden 2 bombed

 

[Kuni]

I love MonHun to bits but there's absolutely things like gear and gathering that should deffo be refreshed and overhauled imo so this all doesn't sound awful to me at first glance.

The making it for western audiences and stuff is typically not a good thing though of course so will wait and see.

But I love the series so will be getting both regardless lol.

 

[Kyoufu]

the thing is, Toukiden 2 bombed

It's a shit game on a dead platform.

 

[Oregano]

It's a shit game on a dead platform.

To be fair it was clearly designed as a PS4 game first and Vita game second.

 

[Oersted]

It's a shit game on a dead platform.

PS4 is dead?

Spoiler

I guess I ruined the joke

 

[AAK]

This definitely sounds like Capcom management.

 

[Kyoufu]

To be fair it was clearly designed as a PS4 game first and Vita game second.

When I played it, it felt like it wasn't designed for anything. It looks and plays like turd on PS4 while not scratching the hunting itch that handheld players would play on the go.

 

[oti]

Why would be Capcom willing to potentially harm a second IP in the row?



That was timed. New entries into main IPs being contractually completely exclusive to one plattform is still rare. There was Titanfall and Street Fighter V. Both didn't work so well.

In the alternate universe this rumours casts this deal was made before the SFV deal soured Capcom on Sony. So the timing makes sense. But I agree with you, that's why I think this would be a bad deal for Capcom. Making MH more approachable is fine but alienating the fan base who paid you bills all this time is bad business.

 

[Oregano]

When I played it, it felt like it wasn't designed for anything. It looks and plays like turd on PS4 while not scratching the hunting itch that handheld players would play on the go.

Ouch that's brutal haha

 

[Jawmuncher]

In the alternate universe this rumours casts this deal was made before the SFV deal soured Capcom on Sony. So the timing makes sense. But I agree with you, that's why I think this would be a bad deal for Capcom. Making MH more approachable is fine but alienating the fan base who paid you bills all this time is bad business.

But this also indicates that the series would still be staying the way it is on switch. So how would they alienate anyone, when MH on consoles hasn't been a thing for awhile. People who want the classic style as does Japan stays on switch. Everyone else goes to ps4.

 

[oti]

But this also indicates that the series would still be staying the way it is on switch. So how would they alienate anyone, when MH on consoles hasn't been a thing for awhile. People who want the classic style as does Japan stays on switch. Everyone else goes to ps4.

Because this would be THE next MH. That's what this entire deal is about. If it exists lol.

 

[WhiskerFrisker]

In the alternate universe this rumours casts this deal was made before the SFV deal soured Capcom on Sony. So the timing makes sense. But I agree with you, that's why I think this would be a bad deal for Capcom. Making MH more approachable is fine but alienating the fan base who paid you bills all this time is bad business.

Capcom is feeling sour towards Sony?

 

[Inviusx]

I get that, but like how modern are we talking? Do people want the game to look like Horizon, or would they be OK with something that would be more in the range of PS3 if it meant that the roster stayed about the same size? There's just a wide range to explore here that I think it would be much more helpful if that was articulated more.

I don't think Sony would get behind a Monster Hunter that looked like a PS3 game to be honest.

 

[Kyoufu]

Because this would be THE next MH. That's what this entire deal is about. If it exists lol.

It'd be THE next MH...for a year. Monster Hunter is an annual franchise so a PS4 game isn't going to rock the boat for anyone that plays MH on Switch, because they'll get Switch iterations as well.