Garou
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Of all the games, Monster Hunter is the one that doesn't need padding. Players already spend hundreds of hours with the games as they are now, adding time-wasting traversal to it dilutes the whole thing.
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Of all the games, Monster Hunter is the one that doesn't need padding. Players already spend hundreds of hours with the games as they are now, adding time-wasting traversal to it dilutes the whole thing.
Nope. None of it.
There are some elements that made it into the final game, but nothing even remotely that "dynamic." It seems like much more of a mission statement for what they wanted to do for the mobility on uneven surfaces than anything they really were intending to have happen on a hunt.
No there's definitely areas that get destroyed and tilt and stuff. That stuff made it in.
They took out areas like the pillars though.
And what if a HR1 hunter tags along with an HR3 hunter who does all the HR3 keys? If they're both getting credit, does the HR1 just skip over HR2 entirely? Be stuck at HR1 until all of HR2 is done before jumping directly to HR4? Sounds messy.
Be stuck at whatever rank they have completed up to. Not sure how that's any messier than forcing people to repeat quests.
They're already getting credit for completing keys in those tiers, though. The only real restriction is the hard rank restrictions between tiers. A low rank player can't even join high rank missions, and high rank can't join G-rank missions.
LOOKS PRETTY OPEN WORLD TO ME
Monster Hunter exclusively on 3DS made sense because it was already the only relevant handheld and had guaranteed support by Nintendo.
Street Fighter V... there is really nothing "would only work on PS4" about it. And due to the contractual obligation that it won't come to a Microsoft or Nintendo console, they made a "this better takeoff on the plattform, otherwise there is no Plan B" gamble.
I wouldn't go for such a risk with one of my biggest IPs. Might be just me.
A "don't release it on a Nintendo" contract is dangerously close to that gamble.
Yes, the climbing, jumping, destroying objects, sliding down slopes, mounting monsters etc happens all the time.
But there's a loading screen between areas (not pictured in the trailer)
clay_ghost
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Why do you meant by proper controls?
There were slopes in MH4? Terrain alteration caused by monster attacks? I don't remember that. I know some objects were destroyable but that's been a thing since at least the PSP days.
But a low rank player can take any low rank quest, even if they can't post it. Taking away the urgents means players can skip over ever being HR2 (for example) - even for doing that one quest. Clearly that's not the sort of thing the developers had in mind, hence the restriction.
yurinka
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Well, MHF is already taken by Monster Hunter Frontier.
Primethius
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Nah, I don't agree. SFV is on the two biggest platforms at the moment. What was a late Switch port going to do? What was an XB1 version going to do? Slightly higher sales that reflect a slightly higher dev budget due to more platforms?
That game failed because Capcom pumped out a rushed game. But even if you don't agree with my assessment, the difference between the SFV deal and the MH one is massive.
The MH one is straight up stupid from Sonys side with the way it's told. SFV makes a lot of sense for Sony in ways the MH deal absolutely does not.
The Wyvern nest can be smashed different directions by monster attacks (Or barrel bombs iirc). Your character will slowly slide towards the lower area, if it is smashed again you have to cling to the floor with stamina before it will right itself- or you'll fall to the bottom area.
I know this is possible because I was a gunner in my group and I knocked rath out of the air, when she falls she will slope the level, my hunter buddies tried bombs but they spun the whole thing to one side, the all fell off because I shot them ∩(︶▽︶
∩Also both sides of the wyvern nest slopes have a rare ore deposit, so that's also a thing.
I'm trying to remember other areas that did similar things, I know Jhen was reprogrammed with the sliding level mechanics... I'm sure there was also a slope effect on another map.
yurinka
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SFV is console exclusive because of the deal with Sony, but the concept of keeping all the SFV users can play together in the same online community without fragmenting it by platform or game revision wouldn't be possible if other consoles would join the mix.
With Xbox it might be possible because they recently did some changes to enable crossplay with other consoles in some cases, but I'm not sure if it has been implementated in a game.
Yes. Fighting in the n nest of Heaven's Mount was a pain because monsters would keep knocking it over making you slide down it while you were attacking.
I said it is because of the deal, read. I said I consider it unwise to let one of the big 3 take one of your big IPs basically hostage. It limits your options for commercial success.
I think the last stand was that only Sony was opposed to crossplay.
The Wyvern nest can be smashed different directions by monster attacks (Or barrel bombs iirc). Your character will slowly slide towards the lower area, if it is smashed again you have to cling to the floor with stamina before it will right itself- or you'll fall to the bottom area.
I know this is possible because I was a gunner in my group and I knocked rath out of the air, when she falls she will slope the level, my hunter buddies tried bombs but they spun the whole thing to one side, the all fell off because I shot them ∩(︶▽︶
Also both sides of the wyvern nest slopes have a rare ore deposit, so that's also a thing.
I'm trying to remember other areas that did similar things, I know Jhen was reprogrammed with the sliding level mechanics... I'm sure there was also a slope effect on another map.
Huh, interesting.
pretty done
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Horizon is like a hunting game where all you have is a bow (please, that R2 mashing melee combat may as well not even be in the game) and all of the biggest monsters are as tough as a great jaggi.
I mean, I liked Horizon, but no.
Yeah, for reals.
For a WRPG, Horizon's combat is nice but it ain't no Monster Hunter. Not even close.
Using the right thumbstick to attack!
I am sorry, MH may have tight controls for fans of the game, its certainly is not intuitive and seamless. Its clunky and the simply hard o justify to learn it just to get used to its ''tight controls''
God Eater is so fun to play. It may not give you the satisfaction you need (its not hardcore enough) but man, I really appreciate controls that I can just sit and instantly get hang of it.
You've got two attack buttons, a dodge button, a sheath/item button, and a button for your weapon's unique ability.
I feel like it's pretty simple to get the grasp of.
Supermanisdead
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Monster hunters combat is the only thing that doesn't need refinement. They need to focus on making everything else, like more intuitive menus and general qol stuff.
Son.Ralph.Funk
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I can discuss it, but I can't promise I'll remain calm.
staticneuron
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I find the idea of all of this amazing. Open world with different biomes. World filled with danger, creature that you hunt and will hunt you. I can easily see how some creatures simply won't follow you into different biomes for two major reasons. Temperature and other creatures. Making a system in which the creatures battle it out for territory would be awesome as well. I have always felt this was the path for MH ever since I saw what capcom did with Dragons Dogma. The only thing that doesn't make sense to me is removal of gathering and crafting. Those made the game really fun. I understand making it more flexible but not removing it entirely.
Laughing Banana
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"To have more western appeal" is such a cancerous sentiment, ugh.
Son Of Sparda
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When Capcom shows this at Sony's E3 conference, if they want it to become a big thing, then they need to make a case for it. Cause here is something that MH fans might not consider/think about.
You say that MH has a vastly superior monster hunting and gameplay system than games like Witcher 3 or Horizon, and you might be absolutely right about that. I haven't played a MH game myself so I can't really judge. But the thing is, millions of western players already like those games even with their simpler monster hunting mechanics.
So, when they finally show this on PS4, the question for your average western player will be "okay, hunting monsters is cool, but what else is there?". Regardless of how much deeper the gameplay systems may be, the game will be compared to Horizon and Witcher and other games with monster hunting elements. And it has to have an answer for those comparisons, cause it needs to give people a reason to play this monster hunting game, instead of doing the hunting in a good amount of other games that are already available on PS4, and offer other things in addition to hunting monsters.
When that time comes, the game either has to have stuff like"amazing visuals", "interesting story/characters", "big open world with other stuff to do" etc, to be able to compare favorably against said games. Or Capcom/Sony need to make a very big deal out of how hunting monsters in this game is different and how interesting and fun it will be that just doing those will be enough for you to enjoy the game, without the need for all of those other stuff.
And I think selling the former would be much easier than proving (and risking) the latter.
Anyway, the point is that if they want this to be huge success on PS4 in the west, then I totally expect them to change a lot of stuff about the current structure and formula of MH.
You say that MH has a vastly superior monster hunting and gameplay system than games like Witcher 3 or Horizon, and you might be absolutely right about that. I haven't played a MH game myself so I can't really judge. But the thing is, millions of western players already like those games even with their simpler monster hunting mechanics.
So, when they finally show this on PS4, the question for your average western player will be "okay, hunting monsters is cool, but what else is there?". Regardless of how much deeper the gameplay systems may be, the game will be compared to Horizon and Witcher and other games with monster hunting elements. And it has to have an answer for those comparisons, cause it needs to give people a reason to play this monster hunting game, instead of doing the hunting in a good amount of other games that are already available on PS4, and offer other things in addition to hunting monsters.
When that time comes, the game either has to have stuff like"amazing visuals", "interesting story/characters", "big open world with other stuff to do" etc, to be able to compare favorably against said games. Or Capcom/Sony need to make a very big deal out of how hunting monsters in this game is different and how interesting and fun it will be that just doing those will be enough for you to enjoy the game, without the need for all of those other stuff.
And I think selling the former would be much easier than proving (and risking) the latter.
Anyway, the point is that if they want this to be huge success on PS4 in the west, then I totally expect them to change a lot of stuff about the current structure and formula of MH.
HawthorneKitty
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Inafune redeemed tho
AdropOFvenom
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The thing I can't get past with this "rumor" is that they're going to release like 90% the same game, except called "portable", on Switch. When their contract supposedly explicitly forbids them releasing said game on Switch. Like if that was true, they would be sued into oblivion for breach of contract.
Makes the whole thing read like BS after that to me.
Makes the whole thing read like BS after that to me.
Weltall Zero
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Um, but that's exactly what I meant. The post I was replying to said the Switch was getting MH5 indeed.
What? No. I said it's not unthinkable they might. I don't pressume to know what is the best use of Sony's money; I'm just pointing out that neither do people who say Sony wouldn't and shouldn't even try to put up a fight against Nintendo for Japan.
Sure, which is why, if the game comes out on PS4 at all, they absolutely need to keep it off the Switch or they'll eat their lunch money. Again, that was my original argument: my first post here was in response to someone who said they didn't know why Sony would single out the Switch specifically, and not PC or XB. Seriously, please check the chain of replies because I think some of the plot has been lost in the meantime.
Assuming the rumour is true (a huge if), it doesn't state anything about the game's budget or Sony's part in particular. It doesn't make any sense to say "Sony put a lot of money in the game so they expect more than a million sales" when we don't have a clue how much money they put (again, assuming they put any).
Again, what's your argument exactly? Do you consider this a wise move on Sony's part or not? I personally think it wasn't, but even if it was, it's kind of a stretch to use it as evidence that they should leave the PS4 to die in Japan too.
It's not.
More like, western appal
it is, even the mighty supermetaldave64 confirmed it
, it will be called PSE btwThat's pretty much exactly where this is going, I expect.
it is, even the mighty supermetaldave64 confirmed it
lol
Just 30 more pages to go!
But I still believe the rumors though
AlexFlame116
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It'll be easy if we keep going at this rate.
it is, even the mighty supermetaldave64 confirmed it
PSE launching with Pokemon Stars and MH5
#BELIEVE
foxuzamaki
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Mh4 was 5 years ago? Has it really been that long?
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