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I suppose this was done because running the voice chat natively on the Switch causes performance issues.

Honestly, I think they're just still so concerned about protecting kids from online predators that they want to make it such a hassle that only core gamers will bother. Parents don't have to bother with even using parental controls as long as they don't give their kids a phone with the chat app installed.

 

[EVH]

how does that work when you are docked? wtf is this wired thing?

Like this?

 

[th3sicknness]

This is really inelegant if final. It doesn't change much for me though as my group has already moved past it.

Nintendo wasn't ready so we took matters into our own hands. It was actually amazing how quickly my non-PC gaming friends fully adopted Discord for our Mario Kart sessions.

They should have just made discord an official partner.

 

[Chezzymann]

I'm gonna wait till Nintendo officially presents their way of doing this. Bowser and Bowser jr. Video please. I thought this was them but it's Hori (smart using Splatoon lol).

Should be a fun presentation. Because it could be extactly what we are seeing here.

I'm pretty sure this is the official one, in splatoon 2 there's characters using an arrow shaped thing just like that one

 

[Shivvy_NTL]

What the fuck

Lmao, this was going to be my response! First comment too!!

 

[Crayon]

Wait till you guys see how this app railroads you into their mobile store. You're going to shit pyramids.

 

[FantasticMrFoxdie]

bwahahahha this is a joke right?

RIP Nintendo online chat 2017-2017

 

[Blunoise]

how does that work when you are docked? wtf is this wired thing?

I think it uses a different method when docked. Which is why I the ppl in here are prematurely complaining when we have E3 in 2 weeks.

But this was bad for Nintendo to release this when don't know full voice chat options yet

 

[Living the Dream]

I suppose this was done because running the voice chat natively on the Switch causes performance issues.

Nintendo DS, original Xbox, dreamcast and others are more powerful than the Switch.

 

[big_erk]

The Switch can survive a drop from 1000'. It'll be fine.

The dock on the other hand...

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Like this?

LOL!!!

 

[HeelPower]

explain

The switch is their fastest selling console ?

The only good thing about the switch is Zelda and the portability aspect, but other wise the device is riddled with problems and lacks so many features.Its also pretty overpriced.

 

[Steroyd]

This is what pisses me off.

Reasons are not the same as "excuses". Why the fuck would I need to make 'excuses' for a company?

I think that brand protection is the reason theyve done this, the same reason theyve gimped all the online services in all their consoles.

Its not a reason that I am happy about, or particularly agree with, but I think its much more likely to be the reason than 'laziness' or 'nintendo are stupid lolz'. Thats just immature fucking nonsense.

people are so obsessed with their fanboy bullshit you cant have a reasonable conversation about why things turn out the way they do.

But what are they protecting? All they have to do is make voice chat friends only a default or permanent feature on the console and BAM there you go parents can do ignorant parenting and Nintendo stay squeaky clean.

 

[msdstc]

And im the one doing gymnastics. Unbelievable.

gimme a break that's a thing that actually happens. Like I said happened with the ps3.

 

[HardRojo]

Yeah, I like how the Wii U supported an external hard drive years before the PS4 could.

A baffling decision that has been thankfully corrected. But one could argue that you were able to install an HDD on your PS4 easily, while the Wii U had no option as you couldn't simply put an HDD inside.

 

[aBarreras]

Like this?

that image is wrong

if he is hearing the game from the tv, he just could put his phone near him and thats it. what are the other cables for?!

 

[Gtagentleman]

At least the online is free.

 

[hatchx]

There really shouldn't be a single cord involved in this operation, Nintendo. One Wireless headset and a switch should do everything.

The PS2 and Dreamcast had a more eloquent setup than this.

 

[Skittzo0413]

What a messy design. This shit can't possibly be defended.

If you removed the phone entirely from the equation and that the switch would handle voice chat, what would be lost?. If the answer is nothing, then it's a fuck up.


DeNA probably wants to collect data from your phone with this shit. They want something out of it that's for sure.

This sounds like a fairly reasonable explanation, yeah. Annoying as hell obviously.

 

[DecoReturns]

I'm pretty sure this is the official one, in splatoon 2 there's characters using an arrow shaped thing just like that one

Fascinating.

Never noticed that in Splatoon.

 

[Hubble]

They should have just made discord an official partner.

Discord does not provide the ability to chat with people you matchmake online. Everyday, people communicate with their fellow online gamers that are matchmaked online. I and many use voice chat to talk with others for a better gaming exerpience and have had unforgettable great gaming times with it and new online gaming friends.

 

[bart64]

Like this?

Well, this is already the case for wired headsets and nobody has complained much...

 

[Pancakes R Us]

Honestly, I think they're just still so concerned about protecting kids from online predators that they want to make it such a hassle that only core gamers will bother. Parents don't have to bother with even using parental controls as long as they don't give their kids a phone with the chat app installed.

I think you're right. I reckon the people saying that the Switch can run it direct are nuts. OG Xbox had it.

I reckon Nintendo is clearly not comfortable about voice chat and never will be. Despite probably a significant chunk of the userbase being 18 and above, having grown up with Nintendo.

 

[boiled goose]

Like this?

Nice. You should make a handheld and table top mode one too

what is the square above the phone?

I think you're right. I reckon the people saying that the Switch can run it direct are nuts. OG Xbox had it.

I reckon Nintendo is clearly not comfortable about voice chat and never will be. Despite probably a significant chunk of the userbase being 18 and above, having grown up with Nintendo.

they have had voice chat before as separate apps and specific in game solutions.
Now they still have it as an app.

It's such a bad solution for the "protection" reason that whether or not that is what they are thinking it is still stupid.
Same with using game specific friend codes in DS. It was always a bad implementation regardless of objective.

 

[commish]

But what are they protecting? All they have to do is make voice chat friends only a default or permanent feature on the console and BAM there you go parents can do ignorant parenting and Nintendo stay squeaky clean.

"Brand protection" is the dumbest excuse I've heard yet for this debacle. I mean, really people.

 

[aBarreras]

Nice. You should make a handheld and table top mode one too

what is the square above the phone?

battery dying

 

[rhandino]

That headset is going to sell like hotcakes. It's Nintendo.

It won't.

You can use any headset.

Well...

.

 

[NathanS]

But what are they protecting? All they have to do is make voice chat friends only a default or permanent feature on the console and BAM there you go parents can do ignorant parenting and Nintendo stay squeaky clean.

Yeah it felt like they set out to make voice chat clean and safe and ended up horribly over thinking it.

 

[Blunoise]

I do like that the fact that because of this stupid implementation, the doomgoers users are here to say that this is the reason Nintendo will fail this gen, it's like they were waiting to hear some bad news so that they can say Nintendo sucks.

 

[Sizzel]

This is so great. Someone looked at this at a high level and said.. yup this is perfect.

For real it probably has to do with Switch using data /battery life etc.. but still a terrible solution. I mean.. even being able to bluetooth to my phone via switch and use headphones from my switch.. or Bluetooth phones.

This is going to great having to use your phone @ home to voice chat on your console.

 

[Mael]

You are assuming that the majority of parents are going to use the parental controls (they won't). They'll either hook their kid up with an account​ or the kid will do it themselves.

Exactly, which is why they put more hoops for people to jump through.

 

[EVH]

Well, this is already the case for wired headsets and nobody has complained much...

Headsets connect to the wireless controller nowadays.

Nice. You should make a handheld and table top mode one too

what is the square above the phone?

Not mine, but I guess the icon is an indicator for low battery in the smartphone.

 

[FantasticMrFoxdie]

Well, this is already the case for wired headsets and nobody has complained much...

No, its not.

If it was it would plug into the JoyCon?

 

[Vena]

Headsets connect to the wireless controller nowadays.

No, its not.

If it was it would plug into the JoyCon?

He's talking about the Switch. If you currently use wired headsets with the Switch, this is the same scenario.

 

[Kard8p3]

There has to be a better solution for this, right? I mean, I don't voice chat over console games, only pc, but still..

 

[jviggy43]

Can you please show me more than one or two posters actually defending this or saying it's a good idea?

I don't mean people saying it's not a huge problem, or people trying to figure out why they're doing it, or otherwise commenting on it without actively condemning Nintendo.

I mean, can you please show me people legitimately defending this as a good decision? I see so many people complaining about all the defense but I haven't really seen many posts defending it.

Before anyone gets too angry about this:

Nintendo is a family oriented company, and the last time they allowed a direct communication tool in their systems -Swapnote- paedophiles started sending dick to kids.

They want to not be responsible for any bad behavior from the users, and since they don't want for their service to turn into an endless screaming, swearing, racist galore, they count on YOUR smartphone.

Ultimately it's customers fault for being assholes online, don't blame Nintendo

.

 

[Deleted member 752119]

Discord does not provide the ability to chat with people you matchmake online. Everyday, people communicate with their fellow online gamers that are matchmaked online. I and many use voice chat to talk with others for a better gaming exerpience and have had unforgettable great gaming times with it and new online gaming friends.

While true, as I understand it developers are free to build in game chat to their Switch games.

The app is just for party chat etc. Granted, I'm sure Nintendo first party games will do all chat through the app.

All moot for me as I don't chat with randoms (close to quitting GAF as I'm pretty much done with gamers in general) and don't really play online Nintendo games. Still a completely backward decision that's ended up even worse than I though it would.

 

[gtj1092]

Yeah, I like how the Wii U supported an external hard drive years before the PS4 could.

How's switch's external hard drive support?

 

[Hale-XF11]

lol, only Nintendo would fuck something up like this.

 

[Instro]

This is what pisses me off.

Reasons are not the same as "excuses". Why the fuck would I need to make 'excuses' for a company?

I think that brand protection is the reason theyve done this, the same reason theyve gimped all the online services in all their consoles.

Its not a reason that I am happy about, or particularly agree with, but I think its much more likely to be the reason than 'laziness' or 'nintendo are stupid lolz'. Thats just immature fucking nonsense.

people are so obsessed with their fanboy bullshit you cant have a reasonable conversation about why things turn out the way they do.

Given what we've heard in the past in terms of Nintendo upper management being completely unfamiliar with how Sony and MS handle their online services, I don't think it's out of hand to assume that the same older generation of leadership within the company is still out of touch with how to handle this part of the business. Let's also consider that many of their franchises are still without meaningful online functionality. I don't understand the brand image angle, there's no evidence or reason to assume that this is the reasoning behind their decision making for the Switch.

 

[moltonasty]

Someone post the Goro Pic from the first topic on this

Bravery, courage, simplicity: Nintendo

 

[XandBosch]

The switch is their fastest selling console ?

The only good thing about the switch is Zelda and the portability aspect, but other wise the device is riddled with problems and lacks so many features.Its also pretty overpriced.

So..

only good things:

The killer app when the system has been out for 3 months
The selling point that many gamers find great about the console

downplay much?

bad things:
"riddled with problems" - not true whatsoever
"lacks so many features" - now you sound like Trump
"pretty overpriced" - it's not overpriced, it's priced appropriately, you just don't like the selling point of it enough to be willing to spend that much


I'm not even defending this headset bullshit, but your post is kinda ridiculous. It's funny, 99% of people who own Switch seem to be having a ball with it. It's the folks who seemingly don't own one who aren't enjoying it.

 

[GustyGardens]

It seems OK. There's really no feasible option for something like this on the console.

 

[Cartho]

The switch is their fastest selling console ?

The only good thing about the switch is Zelda and the portability aspect, but other wise the device is riddled with problems and lacks so many features.Its also pretty overpriced.

Go show me how a company could make something exactly like the switch for less money then. It needs to have identical performance and control capabilities. Go on. I'll wait.

I like how this thread has evolved from a "what a shit peripheral" (which is completely true, before you all start shouting at me, this is a really awful, inelegant headset system), to a "what a shit voice chat system" (which we still don't really know anything about, all we have is speculation) thread. Now, finally, it is entering it's final, beautiful form: a "let's shit on the Switch / Nintendo in general" thread.

 

[pringles]

Like this?

Funny but why play with game sound in the headphones in that scenario?

 

[bart64]

Headsets connect to the wireless controller nowadays.

I meant for Switch only. This has been the necessary setup for Switch if you want to use headphones and the TV, but I don't recall people complaining about it.

 

[Deleted member 752119]

Because they made a stupid mistake (though not to this level) which was ultimately rectified (although the chat adapters still have some uses even on the modern controllers, such as dedicated volume and mute controls. Whether this is worth the extra cost as opposed to the chat mixer option in the dash is up to you.) Microsoft basically pulled a Sixaxis with their original XB1 controller.

Plus there was support for wireless chat headsets day one, and the adapter was just for those wanting to used wired sets.

And, as you note, they got hammered for it and put out a revised controller adding a headphone jack like the DS4 pretty quickly.

 

[MaulerX]

Well, this is already the case for wired headsets and nobody has complained much...

But wired headsets plug into your wireless controller.

I meant for Switch only. This has been the necessary setup for Switch if you want to use headphones and the TV, but I don't recall people complaining about it.

I see.

 

[ZombiePlatypus]

Well...

Lol.

It's weird but if this is what we're stuck with, I wish the headset looked more Splatoon-y.

 

[hawk2025]

Stop rationalizing nonsense.

Nintendo consistently makes baffling decisions in third-party relations and online, which are exactly their weak spots for decades.

And consistently people will peddle spin, rationalizations, and a dozen theories on just whyyyyy they did it this way.

This has been the pattern, again, for decades. There is no rationalization. It's incompetence and lack of experience.