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The Intercept: NSA report details Russian hacking effort days before 2016 US election

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Master Yoshi

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remist

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TestOfTide said:
It seems there are two threads about the same article so I'm gonna post this here as well:

Pro-Tip: Don't post The Intercept as a source. They are a crazy conspiracy website. The intelligence agencies that all say the Russians hacked the democrats also say there is absolutely no evidence that the Russians hacked the actual votes.

Buying into the idea that the actual votes were hacked only helps assholes like Jill Stein trick you into giving her 9 million dollars for nothing.
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I wouldn't put much stock in their editorial opinion or interpretations, but as far as the primary documents like the one provided I think they have a pretty good record. Let me know if you have an example that makes you think otherwise.
 
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Maxim726X

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Wait, wait- Now there is evidence that the hacking reached voting machines? I thought there was no evidence of tampering?

Now what?
 
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Zackat

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KernelPanic said:
Intercept is more of a Russian hacking apologist website more than anything. Greenwald has been yelling there's no evidence for months. If they published it that's a good sign.

What's more is they claim to have independently verified that the NSA document is legit.

Always worth waiting for more sources of course.
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Yeah, I just always wait to read a few articles from different places.
 
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TestOfTide

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remist said:
I wouldn't put much stock in their editorial opinion or interpretations, but as far as the primary documents like the one provided I think they have a pretty good record. Let me know if you have an example that makes you think otherwise.
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Yeah, I admit I was wrong. They actually showed the goods.
 
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theWB27

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Latvian Hitman said:
Any of it.
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The first part was jokingly referring to people who still pretend there was no influence to getting trump.

The second part is because we know the party in power doesn't give a care about any of this and that there are hints of then benefiting from it.

I don't think i was too far off base there.
 
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cameron

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More to do with Russia not being your friend.

But maybe it was China pretending to be Russia pretending to be an e-voting vendor.
 
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Davidion

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Pinko Marx said:
I just finished doing a quick look at their Wikipedia article and yeah, they seem slightly fishy. We should wait for more sources to corroborate before we jump for joy or whatever.


Also PA already stands for Public Announcement so a PA announcement is a public announcement announcement
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I don't have time to copy edit my posts... :(
 
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Atolm

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How could any of this happen when you guys have the CIA, the NSA and God knows what more.

You see, this is what "Protecting national interests" is about, not killing someone with a drone in foreign soil.

This stinks of total incompetence.
 
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CDX

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However, the report raises the possibility that Russian hacking may have breached at least some elements of the voting system, with disconcertingly uncertain results.
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Fuck.

I don't even want to think about it.
 
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Pedrito

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The Intercept is not really a conspiracy website. Its style is more: "Leaked NSA report details Russian hacking effort days before 2016 US, but don't forget that the CIA did the same thing in Latin America".
 
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captive

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were these related to the DDoS attacks that took down large swaths of the internet last fall?
 
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Funky Papa

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The Intercept's reputation is fairly solid.

Greenwald is a bit of a right tit, but most of the "oh, so sketchy" bad mouthing his site gets is because he wasn't what you'd call a Hillary cheerleader and had the audacity of asking for proof of Russian intervention when the Dem leaks came out, but they are hardly in Putin's pocket. Now that they have solid info, they are releasing it. I'd say this kind of crushes any allegations of siding with either Russia or the GOP just because they were (yes) asking questions.
 
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Latvian Hitman

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theWB27 said:
The first part was jokingly referring to people who still pretend there was no influence to getting trump.

The second part is because we know the party in power doesn't give a care about any of this and that there are hints of then benefiting from it.

I don't think i was too far off base there.
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Not off base- just a bit off topic. Which is fine. I wander off topic constantly, so I'm no one to judge...

BackLogJoe said:
Please find that Clinton should have won. Please. Please.
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That's not what this is about and that's not going to happen. This provides proof of Russian state military intelligence attempting to directly meddle in the voting process itself.
 
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studyguy

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CBS confirming it now, considering Greenwald's hot fucking takes on Russian non-issues, it's something to be coming from The Intercept.
 
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Splash Wave

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TestOfTide said:
It seems there are two threads about the same article so I'm gonna post this here as well:

Pro-Tip: Don't post The Intercept as a source. They are a crazy conspiracy website. The intelligence agencies that all say the Russians hacked the democrats also say there is absolutely no evidence that the Russians hacked the actual votes.

Buying into the idea that the actual votes were hacked only helps assholes like Jill Stein trick you into giving her 9 million dollars for nothing.
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Care to back this up?

The article also never asserts that the hacking actually affected results.
 
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KernelPanic

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skullmuffins said:
Sam Biddle @samfbiddle
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very very important: there’s nothing in the NSA report indicating the actual voting machines or vote tabulations were compromised


^ one of the reporters on this story
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From my reading:

- they targeted an e-voting software vendor with a spearphishing campaign. At least one was successful(probably saw malware communicating back to GRU C&C servers)

-using this data they targeted many other local government organizations.

Regarding the no evidence of hacking they'd need to perform a compromise assessment on that company and the local governments to see what/if anything was taken. They may still be there. They might be gone and erased all evidence but there might be artifacts left. Article doesn't mention if this was done, so you can't really say no evidence. No one has really looked.

My understanding is voting machines aren't accessible remotely so anything they stole would presumably only help someone local tamper with them.

Mini conspiracy: Trump's White House Counsel Don McGahn used to be commissioner of the FEC.
 
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Hastati

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Atolm said:
How could any of this happen when you guys have the CIA, the NSA and God knows what more.

You see, this is what "Protecting national interests" is about, not killing someone with a drone in foreign soil.

This stinks of total incompetence.
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It is pretty hard to understand how this slipped past, on the public front Russia comes across as being leagues ahead of the US in this stuff. I'm sure there's a ton of crazy that has been going on behind the scenes in the FBI and CIA but it's a hilariously awful look (and reality).
 
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Palette Swap

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How is this administration going to respond? I guess they could call their intelligence services "fake", but man, between this and the investigation, moving the needle even a bit towards lifting the sanctions would look real bad.
So they're going to do it I guess.
 
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geestack

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TestOfTide said:
It seems there are two threads about the same article so I'm gonna post this here as well:

Pro-Tip: Don't post The Intercept as a source. They are a crazy conspiracy website. The intelligence agencies that all say the Russians hacked the democrats also say there is absolutely no evidence that the Russians hacked the actual votes.

Buying into the idea that the actual votes were hacked only helps assholes like Jill Stein trick you into giving her 9 million dollars for nothing.
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the intercept is absolutely not a conspiracy website. if anything, the writers there are the most skeptical about the russian hacking actually having any effect on the election. one of the authors of the article itself, sam biddle, tweeted this out:

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go read glenn greenwald's twitter about anything russian hacking related and he'll be the first to be skeptical about it. if anything, people have accused greenwald of being a russian shill!
 
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timetokill

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Escape Goat said:
There is nothing in the Constitution that says if/when/how a redo would take place. It would have to be sent to the Supreme Court(if it even got that far) and they won't want to open that can of worms.
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DO OVER
DO OVER
DO OVER

TestOfTide said:
And if they hacked the ballots we will find out from a source that isn't the goddamned intercept.
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The site that has been shitting on the left for getting excited about Russian interference without proof?

I mean if anything this goes against The Intercept's apparent bias over the past several months.
 
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Red

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Pedrito said:
The Intercept is not really a conspiracy website. Its style is more: "Leaked NSA report details Russian hacking effort days before 2016 US election Reply to Thread, but don't forget that the CIA did the same thing in Latin America".
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... accurate.
 
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Futurevoid

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Wow!

Yet the President of the United States continue to spew bullshit misinformation that it "could have or maybe not" have been Russia behind this.
 
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whyamihere

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Funky Papa said:
The Intercept's reputation is fairly solid.

Greenwald is a big of a right tit, but most of the "oh, so sketchy" bad mouthing his site gets is because he wasn't what you'd call a Hillary cheerleader and had the audacity of asking for proof of Russian intervention when the Dem leaks came out, but they are hardly in Putin's pocket. Now that they have solid info, they are releasing it. I'd say this kind of crushes any allegations of siding with either Russia or the GOP just because they were (yes) asking questions.
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I think there's an argument that Greenwald's skepticism of Russian hacking intervention continued far after it should've and came across as more anti-establishment fervor than well-founded skepticism.

I don't think they were on Russia or the GOP's side, and those who argue that are ridiculous, but their general election coverage was a bit wanting.
 
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CesspoolofHatred

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BoogieWoogie said:
So they very well could have fucked with ballots is what this saying?
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TheOMan said:
Hahahahah - oh wow.

Sooooo, let's say we find out they actually hacked ballots.

What happens then?
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timetokill said:
Nah man, if they hacked the ballots we get a do-over
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TestOfTide said:
And if they hacked the ballots we will find out from a source that isn't the goddamned intercept.
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Y'all ain't reading the article correctly. They aren't even talking about attacks on voting machines or vote tabulation.

It's reporting on a spear-phishing campaign against election officials who maintained voter registration systems and voter rolls.

Pamela Smith, president of election integrity watchdog Verified Voting, agreed that even if VR Systems doesn’t facilitate the actual casting of votes, it could make an alluring target for anyone hoping to disrupt the vote.

“If someone has access to a state voter database, they can take malicious action by modifying or removing information,” she said. “This could affect whether someone has the ability to cast a regular ballot, or be required to cast a ‘provisional’ ballot — which would mean it has to be checked for their eligibility before it is included in the vote, and it may mean the voter has to jump through certain hoops such as proving their information to the election official before their eligibility is affirmed.”
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In short, this article doesn't purport proof of direct tampering with voting results or vote tabulation.

It does, however, expose attempts at voter disenfranchisement by targeting voter registration systems.
 
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jakonovski

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Basically, if the Trump admin doesn't fall, the entire US government will eventually be open to Russian influence. You have a literal Manchurian Candidate in power.
 
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