That's kind of the ultimate "Maybe you should STFU and handle your own shit" response when someone's talking shit about your own country's progressivism.
sad!
...but true
That's kind of the ultimate "Maybe you should STFU and handle your own shit" response when someone's talking shit about your own country's progressivism.
Advice:
Abandon anything east of Germany.
Wait, how can you be sure a single utterance of "nigger" was not the simple Bulgarian "negger"? Cause I'm pretty sure Bulgarian "negger" sounds like "nigger" to native English speakers (yes, I've checked with native English speakers).
" I love my country nigger free"
Wait, how can you be sure a single utterance of "nigger" was not the simple Bulgarian "negger"? Cause I'm pretty sure Bulgarian "negger" sounds like "nigger" to native English speakers (yes, I've checked with native English speakers).
I'm Bulgarian, escaped that hellhole a few years ago and all I can say is....... I'm sorry man. That place is beyond repair. We're probably the most racist one out of all the Eastern Bloc countries, people just don't give a fuck about changing. I'm sorry. :/
Yes, and no. The bulgarian word for a black skinned person, or just anyone with a darker complexion is unfortunately "negur/негър" which is derived from the N-word, nevermind if it was used with a racist purpose or not. This doesn't seem to be non-racial at all though. :/
I've backpacked through Europe alone as a small black woman and it was completely fine. Stick to big cities and don't do stupid shit and you'll be completely fine. I'm more afraid of the south of US than eastern europe.Damn. There was a time I, black guy, wanted to go backpacking through Europe but feared doing it solo just wasn't safe because my skin color. Is OPs situation widespread? Or is this the equivalent to how some people in the southern US states act?
And OP has heard that how many times? VS how many times has he heard just a simple "negger" (which would be basically 'a black guy' when used by common folks)?Братле, мисля че това е достатъчно голямо доказателство./That's a large enough proof there brother.
I'm well aware of the nuances of Bulgarian language myself.maybe that's how
Yes, and no. The bulgarian word for a black skinned person, or just anyone with a darker complexion is unfortunately "negur/негър" which is derived from the N-word, nevermind if it was used with a racist purpose or not. This doesn't seem to be non-racial at all though. :/
Wait, how can you be sure a single utterance of "nigger" was not the simple Bulgarian "negger"? Cause I'm pretty sure Bulgarian "negger" sounds like "nigger" to native English speakers (yes, I've checked with native English speakers).
What?
Like, I'm not from Bulgaria, but I guess most racial slurs against Black people spoken in western languages derive from the latin word niger and not from an English word.
And OP has heard that how many times? VS how many times has he heard just a simple "negger" (which would be basically 'a black guy' when used by common folks)?
I'm well aware of the nuances of Bulgarian language myself.
I've backpacked through Europe alone as a small black woman and it was completely fine. Stick to big cities and don't do stupid shit and you'll be completely fine. I'm more afraid of the south of US than eastern europe.
Yeah, there's got to be reason why they are obsessed with it despite its notoriety though. When I am reminded of Japan's emphasis on racial purity and its attitudes towards immigration I am lead to believe that it is simply not about aesthetics, but also a tacit admiration for Nazism's master race concept.Japan is seriously obsessed with Nazi imagery, even more as a fashion statement. I understand your frustration on it's casualness, but as long as the media and entertainment portrays it as "cool", the audience will never change.
I mean ultimately I still think I'm going because I wanna see other parts of the world. It just would suck when you're traveling and being insulted but w/e. As long as you know what you are getting yourself into.
Sorry, but I disagree. Somebody calling a guy "negger" in Bulgarian could be anything from:Dude, you know very well that if one of us were to say "negger negger negger" in Bulgarian to a black man that'd still be racist as hell. Same thing as someone saying "black black black" to someone in the west. A bit of a stupid example but you get my meaning . It's the context that matters in this case.
Sorry, but I disagree. Somebody calling a guy "negger" in Bulgarian could be anything from:
a) Racist
b) Ignorant
c) Slow-to-react it's inappropriate (as in '...Ohh, I just said negger in front of an actual black guy')
Yes, young, educated (and non-fascist/racist) Bulgarians tend to use 'black-colored', alas, not everybody is young, educated and non-racist around here. And some people are just slow to adjust their tongue. So while OP has definitely been subjected to openly racist slurs, let's not automatically assume every single time he hear the word "negger" was actually such a case.
Plenty of racism in what OP experienced. Now read again what I wrote.Racism apologism at its finest. Let's just translate word for word what the OP experienced, if "negger" = "black".
"I love my country black free."
"Hey black."
"Come here black."
"Black black black."
No racism there, right? Just some old Bulgarian colloquialisms, surely?
Actually, some of my Korean friends here have told me they've heard pretty shitty things from older people Why are there so many racist idiots everywhere?Relating to the discussion of Koreans' treatment in Japan, my Korean friend who grew up here changed his name a couple years ago to the most Japanese name I've ever heard, when he attained citizenship. Don't wanna say his full name, but his family name is now Tokyo (東京. His first name and kanji are quintessentially Japanese. All our friends were like "Why did you take such a comedically Japanese name??" But it's not hard to see why he did it.
Are you black/are you around black people much? If so, I'm surprised you haven't seen some bad shit.
You might be surprised to hear what my black friends have experienced here in Japan, then. Rarely is anything ever said straight to their faces, but I mean... it's Japan.
Super crazy. I saw two Japanese Neo Nazis two weekends ago. Guys had nice leather jackets with tons of pins. Saw a big iron cross, and I thought, "They probably don't know what that means." Then I saw a big swastica hanging from the side. "They... probably know." Then I realized they had the hitler youth haircut--both of them. Then I saw one had the imperial eagle on the back. Fucking upset me. Made me mad that they were flaunting that shit in public.
Sorry, but I disagree. Somebody calling a guy "negger" in Bulgarian could be anything from:
a) Racist
b) Ignorant
c) Slow-to-react it's inappropriate (as in '...Ohh, I just said negger in front of an actual black guy')
Yes, young, educated (and non-fascist/racist) Bulgarians tend to use 'black-colored', alas, not everybody is young, educated and non-racist around here. And some people are just slow to adjust their tongue. So while OP has definitely been subjected to openly racist slurs, let's not automatically assume every single time he hear the word "negger" was actually such a case.
Plenty of racism in what OP experienced. Now read again what I wrote.
Sorry, but I disagree. Somebody calling a guy "negger" in Bulgarian could be anything from:
a) Racist
b) Ignorant
c) Slow-to-react it's inappropriate (as in '...Ohh, I just said negger in front of an actual black guy')
Yes, young, educated (and non-fascist/racist) Bulgarians tend to use 'black-colored', alas, not everybody is young, educated and non-racist around here. And some people are just slow to adjust their tongue. So while OP has definitely been subjected to openly racist slurs, let's not automatically assume every single time he hear the word "negger" was actually such a case.
Neger is pretty outdated and offensive in Norway. It's not quite the N-word, but it's close.
From what I've gathered, it was used quite frequently up until the sixties. My mom actually uses it at times, much to me and my sister's disdain.
I guess I don't enjoy broadly-panted generalizaitons by otherwise intelligent posters. Particularly in cases where I happen to have a sufficiently close look at the details.Why are you dying on this hill? Genuinely curious.
No, I'm saying the encounters OP had with the guy who "liked his country free.." and the group of kids by what OP originally thought to be the stadium was clearly hostile racism. The discussion that stemmed from that evolved into what "negger" means in Bulgarian. So there's a pretty good chance he might have heard it, or could even continue hearing it, in non-racist situations.I'm having hard time understanding what you wrote. Are you saying that out of the blatant racist remarks OP experienced, some were said in ignorance? Or are you saying over time, a portion of racist remarks the OP could receive will not always be racist but could fall under the two other categories that you listed?
It depends. Which countries have you visited so far and what have you liked the best?Well Glad to know what parts of Europe wouldn't except me there. Question though, what's even in Bulgaria that's worth seeing it?
Sorry, but I disagree. Somebody calling a guy "negger" in Bulgarian could be anything from:
a) Racist
b) Ignorant
c) Slow-to-react it's inappropriate (as in '...Ohh, I just said negger in front of an actual black guy')
Yes, young, educated (and non-fascist/racist) Bulgarians tend to use 'black-colored', alas, not everybody is young, educated and non-racist around here. And some people are just slow to adjust their tongue. So while OP has definitely been subjected to openly racist slurs, let's not automatically assume every single time he hear the word "negger" was actually such a case.
It depends. Which countries have you visited so far and what have you liked the best?
Then you might actually enjoy visiting Bulgaria - we have similarly green scenery and some excellent spirits. Just drop me a PM if you decide to actually visit - for one, it's better to do that with a guide, and two, these migrant times are not the safest for a lone tourist of color.None, I don't have the money for something like travel. But I would love to visit Ireland.
All you people jumping on CPP for his first post have probably never been to Europe. Some of the more isolated countries their population has no fucking clue what the n-word means. In the OP his case they absolutely did as they were trying to provoke him. But you have no idea how many time in bad English i heard some white older guy trying to be friendly in the middle of a broken English conversation say "yes, yes my nigga" then akwardly try to shake the black guys hand.
Do not underestimate how fucking clueless some people are. Especially in some backward countries like Bulgaria.
But yeah the people the OP described knew what they were saying.
The guys in Hostel were having a great time for the first half of the movie. Then it got a little less fun
I mean can stuff like openly parading neo-Nazi symbols really be down to ignorance especially in a highly developed nation such as Japan? It can only be deliberate. If this happened in a Western European country it would be called out/and people would feel uncomfortable, but when it's Japan it gets brushed under the carpet because quirky Japanese culture, videogames, anime, etc. I feel a lot of racist attitudes in East Asian cultures get a pass in general because "it's their culture". I can understand that people in poor rural areas may be ignorant, but if people in highly developed digitally-interconnected cities still feel comfortable using racist slurs when referring to people or associating themselves with racist symbols then it can only be a reflection of how they truly feel inside.
What do we mean by Eastern Europe? Ukraine? Serbia? Croatia? Albania? Slovakia?
I'm from Croatia and I don't think we're Eastern euros exactly.
Nonetheless, some of you should stop being so condescending and generalising such a big part of Europe.
That's awful op, damn.
I've always wanted to travel to Europe, I doubt I'll ever be able to afford it, but it's a dream of mine. I honestly wonder though how a Native American would be treated there.
It's ok, mexican co workers visiting us frequently and none of them had any issues so far.How's Hungary? Budapest specifically. I'm a pretty well traveled black Latino, but I haven't hit up Eastern Europe yet.
For the record, I've never experienced overt racism abroad. More in the US sadly.
Well, I'm in the UK and it isn't really talked about. Perhaps it is different where you are.I don't really agree, I hear "Asians are the most racist people on earth" all the time.
Wait, how can you be sure a single utterance of "nigger" was not the simple Bulgarian "negger"? Cause I'm pretty sure Bulgarian "negger" sounds like "nigger" to native English speakers (yes, I've checked with native English speakers).
Not excusable is an understatement. As a dual-nationality Bulgarian who lives in Bulgaria, we have to fix the problem at the root - namely fix the educational, legislative and police systems, before these lost generations of kids get the help they need. Or else.As a Swede who lives in Bulgaria, I'm terribly sorry to hear what you went through.
Bulgarians have a lot of internal issues with poverty, lack of education and freedom in general (low salaries and a general balkan sense of hopelesness), but it's still not excusable.
I'd say there's a high chance that no one would even know you're Native American. You could be from anywhere in Europe, and if you're perfectly fluent in English, well you'd just be another American
Not excusable is an understatement. As a dual-nationality Bulgarian who lives in Bulgaria, we have to fix the problem at the root - namely fix the educational, legislative and police systems, before these lost generations of kids get the help they need. Or else.