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[Wiped89]

The sources for the rumour didn't ambiguously suggest a 3rd version, they suggested a Switch version.
Plus, how do you explain this part of the Eurogamer rumour?



You honestly think that if the game discussed in the rumour was just 3DS Ultra Sun/Moon that a release less than a year apart from the original would even be entertained by Nintendo or Game Freak? Please resolve this inconsistency.



There is nothing that indicates their sources were wrong yet, so why print a retraction? And more importantly, perhaps their sources are strong enough to give them ample reason not to.



They didn't make this up by extrapolating from an image, please read the Eurogamer piece again, they were told by inside sources that a Switch version was being made in no uncertain terms.

The sources thought it was Switch. The sources were wrong. These are still leaks and rumours. They can take on inaccuracies. The platform may seem like a massive inaccuracy to us but to some member of staff leaking it, not a big deal.

Yeah, I can believe it would be scheduled for less than a year later. They may be planning Switch Pokemon games like D/P remakes or Gen 8, and they may want a bigger gap between Ultra S/M ('Stars') and the next release on Switch.

 

[Sora the Cat]

The dream was nice while it lasted.

Spoiler

I want to still believe.

I can't never unsee that guy's tongue.

 

[Terrell]

Lol, its Nintendo rumours are bullshit. Only the Ubisoft leaks are true (Switch specifications and design included).
Keep waiting that SNES mini.

Btw, they didn't say that it was a rumour. It was 100% true for them.

They've also said Mother 3 would hit VC and Smash would hit Switch. So...they're not very good on game rumors

You guys DO realize we're mere weeks from the industry event where Switch games are being announced and that the console is just under 4 months old and that holiday 2017 when SNES mini is to materialize is half a year away, right?

And the only time Eurogamer seems to be wrong is when they try to validate a rumour from Emily Rogers. There's a pretty distinct pattern there, such as when she said Zelda would miss launch, for example.

The sources thought it was Switch. The sources were wrong. These are still leaks and rumours. They can take on inaccuracies. The platform may seem like a massive inaccuracy to us but to some member of staff leaking it, not a big deal.

I call bullshit on this.

Yeah, I can believe it would be scheduled for less than a year later. They may be planning Switch Pokemon games like D/P remakes or Gen 8, and they may want a bigger gap between Ultra S/M ('Stars') and the next release on Switch.

That seems like an awfully big leap to make to come to such a conclusion with nothing to validate it.

 

[Macka]

That's not really the point. We know the name of the new version(s) would've been different, whether it be Eclipse or Ultra Sun/Moon or whatever, people just wanted it on Switch.

I know people wanted it on Switch. I'm angry too.

I was replying to the many people in this thread asking where Stars is, or saying that the Stars leak was wrong.

 

[K.Jack]

I was speechless when I first saw this. I couldn't believe Nintendo could eff up so hard on what should be a slam dunk.

If this is not the case and they're not putting it on the Switch at all then my word... Words can't describe.

Yeah my jaw dropped. I'm still trying to find it in fact.

This is insane.

 

[Caelus]

I know people wanted it on Switch. I'm angry too.

I was replying to the many people in this thread asking where Stars is, or saying that the Stars leak was wrong.

Yeah, I guess the leak isn't wrong if one takes "SuMo third version" and "Pokemon on Switch" to be separate things.

I remember SuMo's codename being Rainbow (Pokemon Niji).

 

[LotusHD]

If this is not the case and they're not putting it on the Switch at all then my word... Words can't describe.

That would be something. At the very least, people certainly have to consider that possibility now lol

Also there's probably an irony to be found in how people are saying that it was so obvious that Pokemon Stars wasn't ever coming to the Switch, but that it's also super obvious that the Switch will one day get a mainline entry.

 

[Wiped89]

You guys DO realize we're mere weeks from the industry event where Switch games are being announced and that the console is just under 4 months old and that holiday 2017 when SNES mini is to materialize is half a year away, right?

And the only time Eurogamer seems to be wrong is when they try to validate a rumour from Emily Rogers. There's a pretty distinct pattern there, such as when she said Zelda would miss launch, for example.



I call bullshit on this.



That seems like an awfully big leap to make to come to such a conclusion with nothing to validate it.

My point is the problem with rumours is that theyou are just that: rumours. It only takes one person in the chain to get a fact slightly wrong and it alters the rumour, which may get altered again along the way.

I'm not making any leaps. I'm explaining a potential reason for such a time gap. I'm not saying that's the reason, just showing that a reasonable explanation for that could exist. We do know that the next mainline Pokemon game after Stars/USM will obviously come to the Switch though, and that there will be one, unless Nintendo announces USM will be the last one (doubt it).

 

[Kyzer]

Yall are crazy. The ONLY reason to ever even have believed that Pokemon would hit Switch so much earlier than other systems was because of the rumor. That shit never made sense, and really we were hoping for that awesome off chance that Nintendo convinced Game Freak to make a port for the switch. A sequel/third version to Sun/Moon is actually more in line with what we always thought would happen prior to that rumor

 

[Zelmardonpoktendo]

I think this was a great idea
Nintendo are going to have major issues for stock all year as it is. They need to get their shit together and announce this when supply is fixed.

This is very smart.

 

[Renegade Frost]

I'm at "need sexual release to get over dramatic experience" stage

Lo

Eww go do that in the corner with a black light in a night club jeez.


I hope the 3DS lasts for another 4 years and nintendo gets it to 90million sales.

 

[clemenx]

Precedent was there with Black and White 2 being for DS. Situations are almost the same lol.

There wasn't anything logical pointing at a Pokemon Switch existing in 2017

 

[gigantor21]

Goddammit, I was hoping it would be cross-gen at least. :/

Guess I'm not playing Sun/Moon then.

 

[Aleh]

I hope the 3DS lasts for another 4 years

Lol the hyperbole. The 3DS will probably only receive small support in 2018, UltraSM being the last real push in tandem with the new 2DS this year, and then finally be phased out completely before 2019, in time for the Switch to become cheaper.
I can see Gen 8 arriving as soon as next year, although it's more likely they take 2018 off and release it in 2019 for an even bigger impact with a game built from the ground up for the Switch that will hopefully shut up people calling Game Freak incompetent for good.

 

[Caelus]

Precedent was there with Black and White 2 being for DS. Situations are almost the same lol.

B2W2 were at least playable on 3DS, so the most recent Pokemon games at the time were playable on the newest Nintendo hardware.

Not so for USUM, unless you count the 2DS XL as the 'newest'. Ultimately it's to push those units.

I think a lot of people were willing to accept cross-gen with a a quick port to Switch.

 

[Renegade Frost]

Lol the hyperbole. The 3DS will probably only receive small support in 2018, UltraSM being the last real push in tandem with the new 2DS this year, and then finally be phased out completely before 2019, in time for the Switch to become cheaper.
I can see Gen 8 arriving as soon as next year, although it's more likely they take 2018 off and release it in 2019 for an even bigger impact with a game built from the ground up for the Switch that will hopefully shut up people calling Game Freak incompetent for good.

Im not talking first party software, Im talking about nintendo continuing to manufacture new models of the 3DS.

I never upgraded, I'm still on the OG 3DS and its been a real pain in the ass to find an affordable model that isnt a 2DS

If I wanted a 3D capable New 3DS I'd have to get an XL for 200$ and they still dont have a lot of those.

The situation is a bit better in Japan but the 3DS is region locked

 

[Little Green Yoda]

Might be tempted to dip my toe into the Poképool again since this might be the last mainline Pokémon game with free online play. Haven't played since gen 5.

 

[Shadow Broker]

Yall are crazy. The ONLY reason to ever even have believed that Pokemon would hit Switch so much earlier than other systems was because of the rumor. That shit never made sense, and really we were hoping for that awesome off chance that Nintendo convinced Game Freak to make a port for the switch. A sequel/third version to Sun/Moon is actually more in line with what we always thought would happen prior to that rumor

True true but I disagree for my own reasons.

Main line Pokémon game can keep the sales momentum of the Switch going longer then a Pokken game.

Cross gen to 70 million and to the 2+ Million and growing Switch base. Give the consumer the option on which version to get. They can choose the 40$ 3DS version or the more expensive Switch version. I would have gotten both of the Switch versions at 60$.

Or do something unique like

Ultra Sun for 3DS

Ultra Moon for Switch

It makes no sense to release each version on different consoles. It just popped in my mind.

Sucks!!!! But ultimately I'm just bitching online. My choices are to either except this and support it by buying the game(s) or except this but don't support it by not buying. I haven't decided yet.

 

[Renegade Frost]

True true but I disagree for my own reasons.

Main line Pokémon game can keep the sales momentum of the Switch going longer then a Pokken game.

Cross gen to 70 million and to the 2+ Million and growing Switch base. Give the consumer the option on which version to get. They can choose the 40$ 3DS version or the more expensive Switch version. I would have gotten both of the Switch versions at 60$.

Or do something unique like

Ultra Sun for 3DS

Ultra Moon for Switch

It makes no sense to release each version on different consoles. It just popped in my mind.

Sucks!!!! But ultimately I'm just bitching online. My choices are to either except this ad support it by buying the game(s) or except this this but don't support it by not buying. I haven't decided yet.

they did it with pokemon mystery dungeon and they never did it again

 

[clemenx]

B2W2 were at least playable on 3DS, so the most recent Pokemon games at the time were playable on the newest Nintendo hardware.

This is true but back then no one cared about at the time of the announcement, people were still really mad that the games weren't for the new console.

At the end of the day it may mean a few less sales but I don't think it's anything significant.

 

[Gorillaz]

Gamefreak has that much pull to say no to the switch damn. Thought Nintendo would win this fight.

Maybe pokken was their peace offering to the console like stadium back in the day but the real mainline shit was a no no.

 

[jorgejjvr]

At least we get something Pokémon on year 1

Impressive if you ask me

We got white and black 2 on ds when 3ds was out

 

[jobrro]

At least we get something Pokémon on year 1

Impressive if you ask me

We got white and black 2 on ds when 3ds was out

As mentioned many times B&W2 could be played on 3DS. The previous handhelds all had BC.

Not really sold on Ultra Sun/Moon to be honest, though they haven't really explained that much about what's new in it. I just don't see myself revisiting Alola on the 3DS if it is along the lines of a Platinum style upgrade. A Switch version in addition to the 3DS games would have had the novelty of being on shiny new hardware and playable on the TV.

Mostly bitter about the dual screen features from X/Y they removed for S/M. I just don't understand why they would do that if it isn't coming to Switch.

 

[jorgejjvr]

As mentioned many times B&W2 could be played on 3DS. The previous handhelds all had BC.

Not really sold on Ultra Sun/Moon to be honest, though they haven't really explained that much about what's new in it. I just don't see myself revisiting Alola on the 3DS if it is along the lines of a Platinum style upgrade. A Switch version in addition to the 3DS games would have had the novelty of being on shiny new hardware and playable on the TV.

Mostly bitter about the dual screen features from X/Y they removed for S/M. I just don't understand why they would do that if it isn't coming to Switch.

Stars still possible maybe?

 

[jobrro]

Stars still possibly maybe?

Maybe. Just going to not expect it. If it is announced it will be a happy surprise.

 

[atr0cious]

I still believe in Eurogamer, mainly because of the 4chan post. And also, technically, Game Freak isn't bringing Pokken to Switch, Bamco is. I feel the "wait for e3" meme or even near TGS might be the way to go before calling Eurogamer out.

And I think this is a way to make the 3ds owners not feel left out when Eclipse is announced.

 

[Aleh]

Also I don't understand why everyone is complaining about these being enhanced versions now (and we don't even know that for sure) and that they're a lazy cash grab when everyone and their moms kept saying Game Freak should do exactly that, stating those often had a higher amount of polish and ended up being among the best games in the series (Platinum, Black2/White2, or even Emerald). Just dig up some of the post SM threads if you don't remember.

 

[Red Devil]

Yall are crazy. The ONLY reason to ever even have believed that Pokemon would hit Switch so much earlier than other systems was because of the rumor. That shit never made sense, and really we were hoping for that awesome off chance that Nintendo convinced Game Freak to make a port for the switch. A sequel/third version to Sun/Moon is actually more in line with what we always thought would happen prior to that rumor

Precedent was there with Black and White 2 being for DS. Situations are almost the same lol.

There wasn't anything logical pointing at a Pokemon Switch existing in 2017

This, or these rather. But some people simply won't let it go. They put too much faith on some random alledged "leak" without thinking a little.

 

[jts]

Gamefreak has that much pull to say no to the switch damn. Thought Nintendo would win this fight.

Maybe pokken was their peace offering to the console like stadium back in the day but the real mainline shit was a no no.

More of a not yet than a straight up no.

3DS didn't get a Pokémon until 2 years in IIRC.

 

[Busaiku]

Crystal was playable on GBA
Emerald was playable on DS (at the time)
Black 2/White 2 were playable on 3DS and even had exclusives for it

This is the first time in the series history a Pokémon game cannot be played on new hardware.

 

[Renegade Frost]

I still believe in Eurogamer, mainly because of the 4chan post. And also, technically, Game Freak isn't bringing Pokken to Switch, Bamco is. I feel the "wait for e3" meme or even near TGS might be the way to go before calling Eurogamer out.

And I think this is a way to make the 3ds owners not feel left out when Eclipse is announced.

dont do this to yourself

 

[Lindsay]

Crystal was playable on GBA
Emerald was playable on DS (at the time)
Black 2/White 2 were playable on 3DS and even had exclusives for it

This is the first time in the series history a Pokémon game cannot be played on new hardware.

Which Nintendo, not Game Freak is to blame for. Nintendo decided to not make their supposed 3DS successor BC. Game Freak had nothing ta to do with that.

 

[Pokemaniac]

I think, if we're going to discount the "rumour" of Stars (if you can call it a rumour, since Eurogamer stood behind it so much that their article doesn't even classify it as one), we should actually read more than the highlights: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-11-18-nintendo-switch-will-get-pokemon-sun-and-moon-version

And when you actually read the piece itself instead of the Cliff Notes version people are basing "Eurogamer RIP" posts on, this whole discourse seems premature. GAF needs to stop with the knee-jerk hot-takes without full information, it's getting absurd.



The sources for the rumour didn't ambiguously suggest a 3rd version, they suggested a Switch version.
Plus, how do you explain this part of the Eurogamer rumour?



You honestly think that if the game discussed in the rumour was just 3DS Ultra Sun/Moon that a release less than a year apart from the original would even be entertained by Nintendo or Game Freak? Please resolve this inconsistency.



There is nothing that indicates their sources were wrong yet, so why print a retraction? And more importantly, perhaps their sources are strong enough to give them ample reason not to.



They didn't make this up by extrapolating from an image, please read the Eurogamer piece again, they were told by inside sources that a Switch version was being made in no uncertain terms.

Eurogamer made the very specific claim that a solitary Sun and Moon 3rd version was being developed for the Switch. Now that the actual third version has been announced for 3DS as Gen V-stlye sequels, I see little reason to continue to entertain a rumor which got both the platform and the 3rd version style wrong.

 

[TheDinoman]

We really ought to make some sort of Pokemon equivalent of this whenever someone blames Nintendo, when its really all on Gamefreak and The Pokemon Company.

 

[atr0cious]

dont do this to yourself

Meh, I don't really have an interest in playing the games myself, just think the 4chan post was surprisingly prescient. I'm more interested in Eurogamers credibility, and how calm they've been taking this. I agree with what they're implying in that the clerical error excuse holds little weight as it's not like 3ds and switch release dates are a part of some familiar template TPC has been using for game announcements.

 

[GoldStarz]

Crystal was playable on GBA
Emerald was playable on DS (at the time)
Black 2/White 2 were playable on 3DS and even had exclusives for it

This is the first time in the series history a Pokémon game cannot be played on new hardware.

You're confusing the 3DS with the DSi, although the 3DS could also take advantage of the same features the DSi did.

 

[Sigismundo]

You're confusing the 3DS with the DSi, although the 3DS could also take advantage of the same features the DSi did.

No, I think they mean the AR camera thing that you could catch Pokemon in. I forget the name.

edit: pokemon dream radar.

 

[Tyraniboah]

I think, if we're going to discount the "rumour" of Stars (if you can call it a rumour, since Eurogamer stood behind it so much that their article doesn't even classify it as one), we should actually read more than the highlights: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-11-18-nintendo-switch-will-get-pokemon-sun-and-moon-version

And when you actually read the piece itself instead of the Cliff Notes version people are basing "Eurogamer RIP" posts on, this whole discourse seems premature. GAF needs to stop with the knee-jerk hot-takes without full information, it's getting absurd.



The sources for the rumour didn't ambiguously suggest a 3rd version, they suggested a Switch version.
Plus, how do you explain this part of the Eurogamer rumour?



You honestly think that if the game discussed in the rumour was just 3DS Ultra Sun/Moon that a release less than a year apart from the original would even be entertained by Nintendo or Game Freak? Please resolve this inconsistency.



There is nothing that indicates their sources were wrong yet, so why print a retraction? And more importantly, perhaps their sources are strong enough to give them ample reason not to.



They didn't make this up by extrapolating from an image, please read the Eurogamer piece again, they were told by inside sources that a Switch version was being made in no uncertain terms.

I'm right there with you in believing their information was accurate at the time. Hell, I still think we'll end up with some kind of entry by Spring of next year. But for what it's worth, they also had this to say at the time, based on their sources:

Last week we reported on the fact that the long-awaited The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild will miss the Nintendo Switch's March launch date and instead be released several months later, and that Mario would likely take its place at launch as Nintendo's big first-party title

At the moment there is no reason to believe a Switch version of gen 7 is coming other than a bunch. I'll be excited as anybody if we do get surprised and get Stars exclusively on Switch this year, but there's no sense in arguing about it.

 

[GoldStarz]

No, I think they mean the AR camera thing that you could catch Pokemon in. I forget the name.

Oh yeah, the Dream Radar thing for the Therian Formes, that's true.

 

[-Mutsukki-]

Oh man now I can finally look back and laugh at all these threads that were so so sure that Stars on Switch was a thing instead of being angry


On a minor, but related, note, I hope this version is good

 

[Renegade Frost]

Oh yeah, the Dream Radar thing for the Therian Formes, that's true.

man I had to reset that thing so many times because I kept getting terrible natures for the therian forms

 

[Hispanic! At the Disco]

Crystal was playable on GBA
Emerald was playable on DS (at the time)
Black 2/White 2 were playable on 3DS and even had exclusives for it

This is the first time in the series history a Pokémon game cannot be played on new hardware.

What do you mean? The 2DS XL is their newest hardware!

 

[Mister Wolf]

This is Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze all over again. Nintendo has mastered giving us shit we didn't ask for.

 

[-Mutsukki-]

This is Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze all over again. Nintendo has mastered giving us shit we didn't ask for.

This is a hilarious post when you take into account that Tropical Freeze is widely loved (even here in GAF) and was very praised.

And I sure did ask for a third version of Sun and Moon, if they do it like they did Black/White there's a huge chance of this being a game good enough to stand on it's own, and not just the upgrade/definitive version

 

[Red Devil]

This is Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze all over again. Nintendo has mastered giving us shit we didn't ask for.

Not sure which part of this post is more laughable but good job.

 

[ZeoVGM]

They've also said Mother 3 would hit VC and Smash would hit Switch. So...they're not very good on game rumors

Except there's absolutely no reason to think that Smash won't hit Switch? And that it's actually very likely?

That's a strange reason to write them off.

 

[Koh]

Lol. Nintendo not only struggles to convince 3rd parties to support Switch... They can't even convince a dev they own significant stake in.

I'm sure it'll all work out though. Building a new game from the ground up for the switch hopefully.

 

[watershed]

Not unexpected given history but it's still sad that Ultra isn't coming to Switch. A good hd port would have sold extremely well while there are still literally millions of people who would buy on 3ds.

 

[ZeoVGM]

This is Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze all over again. Nintendo has mastered giving us shit we didn't ask for.

So we're getting one of the best games of all time that a minority of people will wine about on message boards?

Sweet.

 

[Friend of Sonic]

I think this was a great idea
Nintendo are going to have major issues for stock all year as it is. They need to get their shit together and announce this when supply is fixed.

This is very smart.

Yeah, this is a game that needs to come out when systems are sitting on shelves