This country violently broke away from Britain over some damn taxes, and those people are hailed by the right as heroes fighting for freedom. Guy shoots and wounds a self-described white supremacist who is part of a party that has not only been threatening political warfare against anyone not a straight white male, but defends the second amendment on the grounds that it well help in the rise of a tyrannical government like they're trying to create, and the GOP wants me to suddenly give a damn?
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I H8 Memes
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Get the feeling Trump is going to play this quiet because they know the rest of the apparatus is going full force on this today.
guggnichso
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Well, as far as I am informed (please correct me if I'm wrong) the midterms haven't happened yet. So I could hardly blame anyone for their result, because, you know, time and stuff, they didn't happen yet.
This time around, however, it would be cool if liberals would actually go out and vote in their own interest.
I get that there's machinations in place in the US that make it hard for some parts of the population to vote. And that make it easy for their vote to be marginalized. I get that. But for heavens sake, you guys managed to get Obama into office, so you at least have SOME power with your vote. USE it. Go out and vote. Don't just complain on the internet after the fact. Republicans consistently vote in the midterms, based on polling data, just fucking do the same.
Hesemonni
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Wait until the press conference.
Subv3rsi0n
Member
This is becoming increasingly apparent. Shameful.
Destruction of private property is cool when its about the Boston Tea Party but anything else? Unpatriotic! Thuggish! Etc etc etc blah blah blah
Ok, I had to actually go back and make sure I didn't confuse something.
Lets go through the chain
No, I am in fact commenting about a person who is bothered by "their side's" extremists, and saying that its normal to bothered more by dissenters closer in their own ideologies that dissenters from different ideologies, and that is due to the fact you are able to connect with them on a more personal level. While it may be a awful parallel to draw due to going to the extreme, an example of this is the Sunni/Shia conflict, where the groups are more antagonistic towards each other for being heretics, than they are for followers of completely different beliefs.
I think I am awful at explaining my position, and it does not help that I can't think of the correct terms to find research on the physiological phenomena that I am trying to argue.
The position I am trying to argue is that groups with similar beliefs doing something "wrong" in relation to their belief set, will often bother people more than groups with different beliefs doing something "wrong".
The posts between you two is almost a case study of how people react to violent crime versus white collar crime that hurts and kills people indirectly (perhaps I should say institutionalized crime, since slavery was not indirect). Well, also this entire thread.
GoldenEye 007
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Yeah GOP operatives are already going with the democratic rhetoric mantra and blaming Dems in general.
vonStirlitz
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Woah at that Sanders thing.
I dont think there has been serious (possible) left wing violence aince the early 70s. Terrorists these days seem to be fundamentalists of the right and islamic varients (not that the right in the US get labelled as such frequently).
Aside from suggesting possible dark paths ahead, Trump will use this for maximum leverage.
I dont think there has been serious (possible) left wing violence aince the early 70s. Terrorists these days seem to be fundamentalists of the right and islamic varients (not that the right in the US get labelled as such frequently).
Aside from suggesting possible dark paths ahead, Trump will use this for maximum leverage.
CornBurrito
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When is violence justified in your opinion?
It's easy to take a stance against future violence while reaping the spoils from past violence. But it is also dishonest to an extent.
Healthcare is an extremely anxiety loaded issue. I'm 39 years old and I've just been notified that my job will be ending early next year. Now republicans are trying to pass a bill that the CBO (a trusted, non-partisan organization) reports will leave 20+ millions more uninsured & could cause premiums for those 50-60 of age to be 5-8 times the cost of Obamacare with possibly less essential benefits. I'm scared shitless. I don't advocate violence but I've been calling/faxing congressmen and I feel it's falling on deaf ears. When people's life and family are on the line and they aren't being heard they get desperate.
That's not democratic rhetoric it's the friken Congressional Budge Office!
That's not democratic rhetoric it's the friken Congressional Budge Office!
I can see them using this to distract and deflect from the Russia probe.
Black Lives Matter.
Edit: Before anyone else rushes to click reply, I later clarified that I was pointing out that the right wing views Black Lives Matter in that way.
and some of the people responsible for voting in Obama voted for Trump so I don't think your posturing means anything
For someone who's calling people out left and right for being high and mighty....this is well...high and mighty.
efyu_lemonardo
May I have a cookie?
This probably deserves its own topic.
CornBurrito
Member
I disagree.
It's not surprising considering the current extreme climate. A Trump presidency is an extreme reality to live in.
Fluffernutter Pancake
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Shooter identified:
AKA Walter from Big Lewbowski:
Please tell me I'm not seeing things here....
Just went to the shooters Facebook page and tried to learn a little about the man. It seems he was very upset about many republican ideas and how things were changing. It's sad to see that he felt that this was the only way to change things. I also looked at the comments people made and it's sad to see such hate for each other just because of political parties. This is being spun into the idea that democrates are the enemy and how horrible they are. It feels like this story is gonna really tear the country further apart.
BFIB
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Shooter identified:
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This is definitely the guy I met.
Sorry, are you implying BLM is a terrorist organization?
they've already blamed minorities for the reason why dems lose elections so everything here is fair game I suppose
Those damn minorities not pulling their weight!
Fucking never ends.
Dumb white people are the only reason we are here. And Russia. Definitely Russia.
Name one instance in which BLM has advocated or incited violence... There are none. BLM protests have turned violent, either due to police action or people specifically there just to cause trouble, but never in a way that the organizations themselves promoted. Disinformation is dishonest dude
old manatee
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It's all fun and games until the liberals realize that they can buy assault rifles too.
Unfortunately it seems to be politically motivated, the shooter was an outspoken Berniecrat and very critical of Trump and the GOP in general. This is gonna cause a shitstorm.
Different types of speakers, Ryan says simpler things, bluster no substance. Pelosi tried to be substance too much sometimes. Either way her point stands, despite partisan divides, they are one family and a threat to one is a threat to all.
And? I'm not sure why that matters to what I said.
Right wing partisan republicans are not centrists. You do realize the word "centrist" derives from Center, right?
Nope. It was one of the first things that popped to mind when I saw his Facebook. Bad apples in every bunch.
stuff like this is amazing. Like what are they going to say when people call them out on it and the other memes like "the founding fathers didnt limit magazine size cause the moose were coming at them" or some shit. What are they going to say? Uh well, its just uh rhetoric.
gregor7777
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Minorities are partly to blame yes.
Trump still hasn't spoken about the Portland killings.
Mammoth Jones
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That's a complicated discussion not really fit for this thread because bottom line there here and now is not justified to start shooting politicians. If it were the other way around you wouldn't be saying that. Shit on republicans all day. Don't start insinuating it's time to start bucking shot because that's not a fight you'd win.
Man, maybe you don't know who you're talking to but I'm all about violence. At the right time and place and under the right situations where it's absolutely required. As far as benefitting from violence you can say that about anyone in any first world country.
Depends. Some minorities went for Trump. But others have been the bedrock of the democratic party for a hot minute.
RPGCrazied
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His son is worse then him sometimes, jesus christ.
GoldenEye 007
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You're going to need to explain. Minorities are the only demographic group that have voted against politicians that love oppression and standing in the way of progress. Even when the ones voted for are still far from ideal and problematic.
They are also heavily targeted so that their vote is suppressed.
Chozoman
Banned
"I have no recollection of saying that. It's possible I mentioned something similar to a friend at a small party one time, but no...no, I don't recall ever saying that."
An organized movement with clear political goals is worlds away from a lone wolf doing something that the greater part of his movement would not sanction in the first place. The guy literally brought piss to a shit fight, and it's going to be raining diarrhea on liberals.
In the absense of rule of law, Trump will be president. Why don't you think about that.
CornBurrito
Member
Um, wut.
Snowybreak
Member
I think the point is that plenty of right-wingers describe themselves as "centrists".
Honestly, Trump's approval rising because he gave a measured response to a tragedy isn't a problem or something you should dread. As shit as Trump is, this is what he should do in this situation. If Republican supporters want to take this and turn it into a partisan issue and belittle the tragedy and lives of these individuals as bullet points, that's their problem and you go after them for it.
Fancyarcher
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Awful news, though honestly with how the GOP is screwing everyone over, I expect this is a common thing soon. Scary!
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