Like I said, whether it's genuine or not, or if you're town or not, it doesn't matter - you're playing and that's all I can ask for. I'm just going to read you how I read you.
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BREXIT MAFIA | Pro-Having Our Lynch And Pro-Eating It
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Like I said, whether it's genuine or not, or if you're town or not, it doesn't matter - you're playing and that's all I can ask for. I'm just going to read you how I read you.
Poltergust
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Hey, that's actually a good point! I'm going to do a quick review of what happened yesterday.
tomato, tomato. that's just some weak double speak there poltergust
From CCS' role PM:
You and your partner are aligned with yourselves..
You voted REMAIN in the EU referendum
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Voted Remain = Scum. Role mentions partner.
Poltergust
Member
You're the one here trying to speak in absolutes. >_>
Yeah, but the win condition is just straight survivor. They could win with Town.
You're technically right, but I'm of the opinion that it is possible that part was redacted from the role PM.
They straight up have the Scum flag in voting remain and so, flavor/lore wise I don't see how some Remain folks can win with Leavers.
Poltergust
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Here's how the order of votes broke down for yesterday:
Fireblend -> Ourobolus -> *Splinter -> Poltergust -> kingkitty -> Kalor -> backslashbunny
CCS reiterated his threat in between Fireblend and Ourobolus's votes, but I'm not sure if that matters.
Speaking independently of myself, if scum wanted to add fuel to the fire to get CCS to talk, then I'd say the cutoff point for them to do so would be around my vote before he gets too close to getting turbo'd. If backslashbunny's theory is correct, I'd expect one scum to be within that range of four players.
Thing is, I don't have a particular scum leaning towards anyone who voted before me. Hm...
Fireblend -> Ourobolus -> *Splinter -> Poltergust -> kingkitty -> Kalor -> backslashbunny
CCS reiterated his threat in between Fireblend and Ourobolus's votes, but I'm not sure if that matters.
Speaking independently of myself, if scum wanted to add fuel to the fire to get CCS to talk, then I'd say the cutoff point for them to do so would be around my vote before he gets too close to getting turbo'd. If backslashbunny's theory is correct, I'd expect one scum to be within that range of four players.
Thing is, I don't have a particular scum leaning towards anyone who voted before me. Hm...
Poltergust
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I think the point of the Remain/Leave vote being highlighted like that is because certain roles may work differently depending on how someone voted. I don't think it refers to someone's "true" alignment or whatever.
Take kingkitty's cop role, for example. He passes out flags, and people who voted Leave return them while people who voted Remain keeps them. But that doesn't mean that the person who voted Remain is scum, as we can clearly see from CCS's lynching.
...I wonder if the converse is true, where it's not necessarily the case that someone who voted Leave is town. Maybe that's how Ouro's role works?
Take kingkitty's cop role, for example. He passes out flags, and people who voted Leave return them while people who voted Remain keeps them. But that doesn't mean that the person who voted Remain is scum, as we can clearly see from CCS's lynching.
...I wonder if the converse is true, where it's not necessarily the case that someone who voted Leave is town. Maybe that's how Ouro's role works?
Poltergust
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Sorry, let me clarify. I was hypothesizing that it's possible that the true nature of Ouro's Miller claim (if he is telling the truth about it) is that his role had him vote Remain, but he's still aligned with town.
That would actually make sense to me coming from a Miller standpoint. It would fit the role of a delinquent perfectly in this context.
That would actually make sense to me coming from a Miller standpoint. It would fit the role of a delinquent perfectly in this context.
From Kingkitty's claim he implied that he gets either a "town" or "not town" result, which checks out. Not all cops specify "neutral" or "scum," some just receive "not town."
And my role says I voted LEAVE, so it's not a flavor reason - assuming KK is telling the truth I assume I wouldn't give back the flag either, since as a Miller I should return a "not town" result.
tldr: stop arguing flavor
Poltergust
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This is kingkitty's explanation of his role:
So it may not be as simple as it being "town" or "not town". It is also possible that his role is not the only one affected by what someone voted for.
...Actually, something's wrong here. Maybe I'm misinterpreting what a Miller does, but kingkitty is not determining your alignment, he's determining what you voted for. If kingkitty sent a flag to you, Ouro, he should have gotten it back because you did vote Leave.
kingkitty, can you clarify to us one more time how the flag system works for your role?
This was his full explanation.
If it's specifically targeting my vote, then I would show up as LEAVE. But then why the fuck am I a Miller
Poltergust
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That's what I want to know.
Ouro, your Miller claim has gotten a lot weaker in my eyes because of this. I highly doubt we have a 3rd cop role here, so you being a Miller is completely pointless.
Poltergust
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Oh right.
Vote: Ourobolus
Vote: Ourobolus
That's fine. My PM states that I will appear as scum if a cop checks me, but then clarifies that I still voted Leave (again).
I don't see a reason why there is both an alignment cop AND a "vote" cop in this game, seems silly to me.
I'm not gonna be changing my claim any time soon, it's what I've got. You should still probably look elsewhere to find scum.
Actually - Polter, who are your top Town?
Poltergust
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Well, up until now you were actually up there, but now it's just kingkitty and Flame_AC for pretty obvious reasons.
Poltergust
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You keep saying it's flavor, but this is clearly a contradiction of mechanics. kingkitty's role is not about flavor at all. It is no different from how genders were used in Anime Mafia.
Nigel Farage, I'm a Miller. I voted Leave.
Then it's a red herring if anything. I'd be willing to bet money if KK is telling the truth I'd come back as Remain. Blame cabot, but all you're gonna get from me is a Miller flip.
Then it's a red herring if anything. I'd be willing to bet money if KK is telling the truth I'd come back as Remain. Blame cabot, but all you're gonna get from me is a Miller flip.
Poltergust
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I... don't even know what that means. ._.
OMGUS - Oh My God U Suck (basically voting for you because you're voting for me)
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DAY 5 CURRENT VOTE TALLY:
Kalor (3)
Fireblend 1315
Flame_AC 1321
Kawl_USC 1371
Poltergust (1)
Ourobolus 1424
Ourobolus (1)
Poltergust 1414
Kawl_USC (0):Ourobolus 1309 1424
No active vote for Day 5: *Splinter, backslashbunny, Kalor, kingkitty, Spoiled Milk, zeemumu
Day 5 Postcount: *Splinter 3, backslashbunny 13, Fireblend 18, Flame_AC 9, Kalor 2, Kawl_USC 11, kingkitty 5, Ourobolus 39, Poltergust 30, Spoiled Milk 1, zeemumu 2
Day 5 ends:
Automated vote tally here
6 votes for majority
Kalor (3)
Fireblend 1315
Flame_AC 1321
Kawl_USC 1371
Poltergust (1)
Ourobolus 1424
Ourobolus (1)
Poltergust 1414
Kawl_USC (0):
No active vote for Day 5: *Splinter, backslashbunny, Kalor, kingkitty, Spoiled Milk, zeemumu
Day 5 Postcount: *Splinter 3, backslashbunny 13, Fireblend 18, Flame_AC 9, Kalor 2, Kawl_USC 11, kingkitty 5, Ourobolus 39, Poltergust 30, Spoiled Milk 1, zeemumu 2
Day 5 ends:
Automated vote tally here
6 votes for majority
As far as I remember, I ended up voting for Flame day 1-3, then CCS on day 4, right?
Day 1: Not much to go on. Flame caught my attention for being much less active than usual, felt like he was trying to fly under the radar (and it had mostly been working up to that point).
Day 2: There were two main points convincing me to vote Flame on day 2. First his vote record/timing for day 1, and I can't emphasise enough how poorly he played that (if he's town). When he made that last second vote he became near enough confirmed scum in my eyes.
Throughout day 2 he posted a lot but said very little. In my eyes this was consistent with him being scum who knew they were likely to be lynched soon: you have to post a lot to give yourself a chance of surviving/convincing people, but you also don't want to say anything that could lead to your teammates if/when you flip scum.
Day 3: this was easy enough, we had a choice between Gorlak (who I generally can't read) and Flame (who I was already convinced was scum).
I'll admit that I was so tunnelled on Flame that I kind of glossed over the lies told by Gorlak. There are plenty of reasons for town to lie, but I should have been pushing Gorlak to explain why he lied to us.
Day 4: Not much to say here. Red check on CCS, neutral role cop is more of a threat to town than to scum.
I'll post a reads list later, its going to take some time to work on it though, there are a couple of things I want to check on first (mostly related to Gorlak).
You're doing fine BSB. FWIW I can't fault you for suspecting me, even knowing I'm town. My vote record is meh (tunnelled, failed to vote the only scum we've found), and I spent all of D3 effectively defending scum-Gorlak. The only defense I can give for that is
1) I was wrong
2) I probably would have voted Flame even without the thunderdome, previous days should back that up
3) Scum-Splinter doesn't stick his neck out for teammates (and yes I know this is a terrible line of defense, before anyone jumps on me for it)
4) I was wrong
So can you point us to all the posts where you doubt Kitty's role/claim?
I actually think Polter is onto something here. Kitty's role doesn't seem compatible with yours unless there are two cops. I doubt there are two cops (and if there are, what would be the point of a miller?), but I also don't remember you being sceptical of Kitty's role. So... Yeah. Something not adding up.
Just to recap, you claimed Nigel Farage, voted leave, and Farage is a miller because "Oh, Cabot"?
Neither does Ouro.
I don't understand this post, can you clarify?
Really don't like this little bit of analysis. First you mixed night kills and lynches to muddy the waters, then you state this frankly wrong conclusion.
Night kills:
D1 - batsnacks. Highly active player, often a town leader, dangerous to scum, his death was not particularly surprising.
D2 - ZippedPinhead. This one stands out from the others as being a really odd night kill choice. I currently have no theories as to why he was killed.
D3 - Crab. Seems everyone has forgotten he was green-checked by Kingkitty?
No, he's right. Yesterday ranked by scumminess:
-Posted but didn't vote (scummiest)
-Didnt post or vote
-Voted early
-Voted late (least scummy)
I'd say only that first line is really damning, the second one would be worse if the day had lasted longer. Polter is right to point this out.
I know Ouro already highlighted this but it's such a strange conclusion I don't know what to make of it.
I agree with this. Kalor is probably scum.
I don't remember the specific post, but CCS wanted to mix things up a bit and was claiming Gorlak as town but voted for him anyway.
So you were worried that CCS would "mix things up" and then he did, I think?
But then why did you vote gorlak? I don't see the connection?
He might be onto something but I have yet to lie about my role, so either I'm a Miller that's actually vanilla town, or KK's role, mechanically, would get a red check on me.
Muddying wasn't my intent, I just separated dead from alive. Was batsnacks really that active D1? I'll admit I just did him from memory since it was all D1. And yes, Crab was green-checked, but that was on D3 not D4, so scum let him live an extra day. Probably a safe bet since they might be worried of a protection or something.
Also you have your nights mixed up. There was no kill on N2.
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cabot left out part of my role.
I will govern fairly and in the national interests!
Meanwhile, I leave you all to your coalition of chaos.
I will govern fairly and in the national interests!
Meanwhile, I leave you all to your coalition of chaos.
Oh yeah.
N1 - batsnacks
N2 - ???
N3 - ZippedPinhead
N4 - Crab
With batsnacks I was referring more to meta than D1 itself, but I do remember him agressively pushing against Kawl around day end.
I don't think Crab surviving an extra day really negates my argument, especially as there had already been one no kill night.
I know, I get your point. I still did specifically call out deaths vs lynches though next to each name.
You assume Kingkitty is telling the truth about his role.
Which isn't unreasonable in itself - I believe kk too - but in your case you seem to be trusting kk more than you trust the mod.
I trust kk more than you, not more than Cabot's ability to balance a game.
I trust KK too! I just literally don't have a defense here against something I can't mechanically prove, and we are arguing about how the flavor of the role works.
Poltergust
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To be fair to Ouro, he said he voted Leave Day 1 due to some questioning from Fireblend.
there it is. I thought I had mentioned it somewhere but I was looking all over D2 and couldn't find it.
And I don't know how much I'd trust kk if I was an actual miller that actually voted leave.
Thanks I had forgotten that.
That doesn't exactly help your case, y'know
Yeah, I know. I'm trying to dissociate the flavor from the mechanics, but if KK was scum he DID red-check a neutral, and alignment cops are weird for scum to have, and if he had red-checked town we would be talking about lynching kingkitty after CCS's flip (if he was Town).
D2 was when I name-claimed. Thought I did it then.
I don't want to discourage this conversation because I agree it feels like there's something there, but I don't know why scum ouro would lie about this either. I can't tell if this is a flavor discussion or not honestly.
Also I'd like to know how Kalor feels about Splinter. And did I miss kingkitty's reads of has he not posted them yet?
Also I'd like to know how Kalor feels about Splinter. And did I miss kingkitty's reads of has he not posted them yet?
Poltergust
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kingkitty, know how your role works, did you still consider sending a flag to Ouro? Knowing that he voted Leave (or at least he claimed to do that) and that he's a Miller, what would you expect the result to be?
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