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[Kusagari]

...oh thank the Maker.

 

[Discotheque]

That's some cornball dialogue typical of joss but what do you expect of a villainous drug dealer antagonist? I don't really see the problem there tbh (aside from the terrible lines of course)

 

[GAMEPROFF]

I dont get it, are there any proofs that this is really from Joss?
And why are people saying that this sounds like Joss, I thought he was always seens as a pretty feministic writer? Its all a bit confusing for me right now.

 

[Aselith]

You up in my world now

 

[LordOfLore]

Thank god for Heinberg, Jenkins and Johns.

Btw, this was his reaction to the movie's trailer.

 

[Eumi]

Oh I'm sure people are just playing it up, I can't be that-

Oh.

Yikes, that's sexist.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

I dont get it, are there any proofs that this is really from Joss?
And why are people saying that this sounds like Joss, I thought he was always seens as a pretty feministic writer? Its all a bit confusing for me right now.

Let me tell you about Black Widow and how shes a barren monster just like the Hulk

 

[Zaventem]

Are peole really attacking this guy over something 11 years old?

 

[azyless]

Is that surprising ? Whedon's brand of feminism hasn't moved on since the 90s.

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

Describing that bit of dialogue as "mansplaining" is a fucking stretch, even setting aside that "mansplaining" is a pretty silly term when used in an overtly political way, more generally.

 

[VeryGooster]

Why would WW say "Be man enough"...?

 

[Dreams-Visions]

lol what the fuck

 

[Messofanego]

That's some cornball dialogue typical of joss but what do you expect of a villainous drug dealer antagonist? I don't really see the problem there tbh

It's not just that, there are loads more snippets here. Wonder Woman being constantly objectified and berated doesn't make for a feminist story.

THANK F*CK JOSS WHEDON’S “WONDER WOMAN” NEVER HAPPENED

 

[ZeroX03]

So I wanted to know where exactly the movie was in development, because scripts get changed a whole lot so it's tough to say. Judging by some Googling of old articles the script wasn't finished (and I don't know what draft this was) and nobody at the studio was happy with the direction which is why it didn't move forward. Joss was confident in the direction but didn't feel the script was completely there. No casting.

 

[Two Words]

Joss commenting on Jurassic World:

Maybe he just didn't like the era of sexism that it was. Maybe he is more into contemporary sexism.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

Let me tell you about Black Widow and how shes a barren monster just like the Hulk

...well, she was one of SHIELDs best killers
And there was a "We are all monster" theme in the movie.

 

[Pilgrimzero]

Let me tell you about Black Widow and how shes a barren monster just like the Hulk

I still can't believe this is what some people thought she was saying and somehow missed all the other dialogue in that scene.

 

[Lord Frieza]

Never read the script, but I do remember vaguely reading some stuff about if and thinking it was pretty terrible and thinking it was maybe a blessing in disguise we never got it. Sounds like I remember correctly lol

 

[Dice//]

This is why more women should be at the helm of a women-centric film.

 

[Alex_Mexico]

If this was indeed approved by Whedon then I'm now very worried about Wonder Woman's depiction in Justice League and everything concerning Batgirl.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

Please, dont get me wrong, if thats really from him its disgusting and he really deserves the hate, but "leaked on Twitter" is in this day and age not a good source.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

If this was indeed approved by Whedon then I'm now very worried about Wonder Woman's depiction in Justice League and everything concerning Batgirl.

Good for you that he has like zero influence on JL beside a handful of reshots that were colloborated with Zack Snyder.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Lol.

This is great.

Whedon goofed.

 

[cartographer]

Lol at people who can't believe Whedon would write this. You remember what he did to Black Widow, right?

😂😂😂😂

Joss Whedon has always seemed a fake feminist like that Devin Faraci.

Yeah, it's not surprising. At the very least he's shown a staggering lack of self-awareness on the issue over the years.

A script like this sort if reinforces the idea that he's ashamed of sexism and gets so caught up in it that he doesn't notice his own contributions.

 

[SpaceWolf]

Would people consider the hospital argument scene with Steve and Wonder Woman from the 2009 animated series as a further example of "mansplaining"? Not challenging anyone or attempting to dismiss the validity of the phrase when utilized critically, just not hugely familiar with the term and how people instinctively manage to define it. Does it purely revolve around consension in tone?

 

[CaviarMeths]

After the childless monster shit in Avengers?

In his defense on that particular scene, it's not Joss's fault that everyone takes that line out of context and intentionally ignores what Nat's actually saying.

 

[Incandenza]

So basically:

 

[vypek]

"wicked sexy"

Caught my eye as well

 

[ryutaro's mama]

I can't this...like at all.

 

[Pilgrimzero]

In his defense on that particular scene, it's not Joss's fault that everyone takes that line out of context and intentionally ignores what Nat's actually saying.

EXACTLY!

 

[Firemind]

And I thought anime was bad.

 

[Mechazawa]

Thank god for Heinberg, Jenkins and Johns.

Btw, this was his reaction to the movie's trailer.

I'll probably be disappointed, me more than anybody else, because I'll be like, 'Wow, my version...' or whatever

l o l

 

[Puck Beaverton]

I refuse to believe this is real. These lines are serious clunker.

 

[Kinyou]

After the childless monster shit in Avengers?

Let me tell you about Black Widow and how shes a barren monster just like the Hulk

It's been clarified over and over again that this is not the case. And even, if despite all that you still want to interpret the scene like this at least acknowledge that it wasn't written with that intention.

 

[ZeroX03]

Would people consider the hospital argument scene with Steve and Wonder Woman from the 2009 animated series as a further example of "mansplaining"? Not challenging anyone or attempting to dismiss the validity of the phrase, just not hugely familiar with the term and how people instinctively manage to define it. Does it purely revolve around consension in tone?

I think it's meant to imply a condescending or patronizing tone.

That said, I saw some people on GAF and IRL say that the Wonder Woman film we got was full of mansplaining because Steve Trevor was a man who explained things to Diana constantly, despite there being no condescension in his tone and it being quite justified. I don't think it was meant as a serious criticism, but there's certainly different interpretations.

 

[The Elite]

Is there an entire script or just these random excerpts?

 

[Rumblebones]

This seems pretty tame compared to what's out there and what I expected going in.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Didn't know Joss Whedon was a foot fetishist.

 

[LiK]

He's doing Batgirl, ya know.

But it's an old script and he's done better since then.

 

[ZeroX03]

He's doing Batgirl, ya know.

Yeah, it's mentioned in the article, the OP and three times after that.

 

[MagnaderAlpha]

What is THIS from?

 

[Quick]

Didn't know Joss Whedon was a foot fetishist.

Whedon just made it onto the Hollywood Foot Fetish list.

 

[acheron_xl]

Are peole really attacking this guy over something 11 years old?

He was just a naive 41 year old. So much growing up left to do.

Weren't we all that naive when we were 41?

 

[Thequietone]

Do you know what happens to a toad when it’s struck by lightning? The same thing that happens to everything else.

They really should have cut that line out since they cut out the reason she said it in the first place. In deleted scenes the Toad's catch phrase was "do you know what happens when a Toad *insert action*?" through the entire movie. Her line was a punchline that now no longer has any meaning.

 

[LiK]

Yeah, it's mentioned in the article, the OP and three times after that.

I'm being sarcastic. Don't reply.

 

[SpaceWolf]

What is THIS from?

Frank Miller's script for All-Star Batman, also known as one of the most trashy and mean-spirited books DC has ever put out.

Also featured in the comic: Batman attempting to force traumatised Dick Grayson to eat rats whilst throwing molotov cocktails at criminals.

 

[J_Viper]

Still better than Age of Ultron

 

[Aselith]

...well, she was one of SHIELDs best killers
And there was a "We are all monster" theme in the movie.

Correct and the woman was a monster because she can't make no babies. You don't see how that's a tad sexist?

It's been clarified over and over again that this is not the case. And even, if despite all that you still want to interpret the scene like this at least acknowledge that it wasn't written with that intention.

I'm sure it wasn't the intention in the WW script either. It doesn't have to be intentional to be an issue

 

[ZeroX03]

I'm being sarcastic. Don't reply.

Well you see, anytime someone tells me not to do something, I have to do it.

 

[Human Resources]

this is so poorly written that part of me wonders if it is fake