Never to late to change. Espically since critics and the people writing movies have become more aware of their sexism in 11 years since the rise of mainstream feminism. Don't let anyone find out you did something wrong on the internet as a public figure though, the holy "never did or said anything regrettable" crusaders will never get over it.
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Joss Whedons leaked Wonder Woman screenplay is mindblowingly sexist
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Never to late to change. Espically since critics and the people writing movies have become more aware of their sexism in 11 years since the rise of mainstream feminism. Don't let anyone find out you did something wrong on the internet as a public figure though, the holy "never did or said anything regrettable" crusaders will never get over it.
excelsiorlef
Member
Um or you know she's a monster because she's a highly trained killing machine....
Actually, I just forgot that this all was in the same scene.
Also, its all linked to the Red Room Killer Agent stuff.
SapphiCine
Member
Something seems off. Whedon sure ain't perfect but I am having a hard time taking this at face value.
Could be his true colors.
Could be his true colors.
This is ... incorrect.
Jim Lee, artist of All-Star Batman.
Nope clearly Babies there is absolutely no additional context and any other interpretation and she wasn't trying to relate to Hulk
/s
Whedon can come off as sort of a doof. I've seen some stuff he's said that makes me not a huge fan of his, and this script doesn't really surprise me much
Apparently he's a super nice guy but idk
Someone make this man an anime director ASAP.
milkham
Member
oh i get it now, thanks
Alex_Mexico
Member
Wait, this script is 11 years old??? I thought it was from around when this movie was going to be made (2-3 years ago).
BrutishMrFish
Member
But Joss was still defending his script when the first Wonder Woman trailer came out, so if it's the real deal then he clearly hasn't changed his perspective very much.
He's not as woke as he thinks he is.
If that's what you took from that you need to stop watching movies while you're on your damn phone.
She's a monster because she's a killer. Or did you miss all the flashbacks of her training to be an assassin, complete with "graduation" of murdering somebody with a bag over their head.
I actually didn't know this, if so yikes =/
Yeah that was my point. That additional part doesn't need to be there to add her character into the whole "we're all monsters" theme
Its not a good explanation for the addition.
Rumblebones
Banned
Frank Miller's script for All-Star Batman, also known as one of the most trashy and mean-spirited books DC has ever put out.
Also featured in the comic: Batman attempting to force traumatised Dick Grayson to eat rats whilst throwing molotov cocktails at criminals.
"It'll drive them crazy, Jim."
lmao what is this shit? It's not the most sexist tripe I've read, but the awareness of it is so juvenile.
PhoncipleBone
Banned
Joss Whedon and Max Landis should make a script together, watch the film get made by someone else, then complain for years together about how much better their idea was.
Warm Machine
Member
I'd have to read the script but when I prep I usually ignore all stage direction. If the story is good irrespective of the sexism the movie will always be different than the script. A movie is a whole other interpretation.
jack_package_200
Banned
Reads like a mid 2000s era superhero script that wasn't Nolan or Raimi.
I imagine Elektra, Daredevil, and Catwoman had screenplays like this.
I imagine Elektra, Daredevil, and Catwoman had screenplays like this.
I mean, it's another point of comparison with Bruce, who can't have children either.
SapphiCine
Member
I know he is only an ally as far as we (women) can throw him. That said, I would at least hope that the full script tries to make some ill conceived point rather than just be masturbatory.
ryutaro's mama
Member
To be clear, I'm not sure he was ever defending the script (he just says his version of the movie), he also said he didn't think the script was quite there when he departed and we don't know what draft this script was.
It could be that this is his final pass of the movie and Joss stands by it or it's a junk draft that radically changed. I dunno.
Frank Miller's script for All-Star Batman, also known as one of the most trashy and mean-spirited books DC has ever put out.
Also featured in the comic: Batman attempting to force traumatised Dick Grayson to eat rats whilst throwing molotov cocktails at criminals.
I'm not against calling out Frank on ALL of his shit (and there is a shit load of it) but its low hanging fruit at this point. We all know what Frank Miller is at this point, unfortunately he still has his large fan base that likes him for this shit.
This Joss stuff is semi-new to me though, how blatant it is. I always thought his treatment of BW could have been better in the Avengers movies, especially AoU but it seemed more of a generic hollywood problem.
excelsiorlef
Member
Its Frank Miller. Trust me, he belives the shit he writes.
Not to tale away from the point of it being a sexist script, but this quoted part of the article stuck out to me:
That's to be expected, because scripts are only meant to describe what you can see. Describing a character's thoughts and personality as they're introduced would be the mark of incredibly amateur screenwriting.
Oh! Well, there you go. She was just building the list
Am I monster?
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Murderer - Check
Barren - Check
Puck Beaverton
Banned
Frank Miller was loved for a reason.
Admiral Woofington
Member
I don't think the fact she can't have kids was what she was using for the monster comparison but saw it as something similar between the two of them, but I'm actually on my way to the store and I see you're out of straws, want me to buy a pack so you can grasp at them?
Hm. I think at some point he went far to deep into the rabbit hole. Not that Daredevil and The Dark Knight Returns weren unproblematic, but All-Star Batman is far worse.
Not anymore since i think the 90s
Right. Bruce specifically talks about how he shouldn't get with Natasha because he can never have a family, and she's like "well I can't either so that's no reason"
Well, this was the point I started out with so I guess you could get me a really big straw cause this one is getting a little ragged from people pawing at it.
It's there because Bruce is worried about having kids, she tells him she can't have any anyway.
Intention matters if you keep harping on "omg Whedon is so sexist".
Dash_Riprock
Member
Joss commenting on Jurassic World:
Ah, hypocrisy.
kitchenmotors
Banned
Sure, if he did indeed write it. Were not even sure what version of the scrip this is or what was added by who. Its pure assumption. It doesnt read like Joss. Hes not perfect but this script is trash. This would have been after he worked on Serenity, and I dont feel his female characters were written anywhere close to this.
But keep pushing that narrative.
Corpsepyre
Banned
I want the next film to be written by Grant Morrison! That'll turn some heads.
BKatastrophe
Member
kitchenmotors
Banned
Its why I ignored that response. Not going to give those basic people the time of day. Ratchet.