TheGoreMagala
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He's not broken per se
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He's not broken per se
Its just not fun to fight against... The gulf is so vast I may as well put the controller down and get a snack. Same difference.
I'm a start my own room with Helix banned lol. And some volley ball.
molnizzle
Member
nah, he's broken af.
TheGoreMagala
Member
I don't think he is, but people have been ignoring him, so it's all new. I think Helix and Cobra are gonna be s tier in the end, as I believe Cobra has the same non recovery jump and his charged dash is great for closing space.
Been having fun and winning ~half my matches in the unranked online, decided to do level 4 grand prix to unlock ranked, and was having minimal issue in the actual fights there....but the skillshot my god. I'm getting destroyed...like, them >3000 points, me ~500 points destroyed. I don't even want to do this mode lol ;-;
TheGoreMagala
Member
Hey hey hey you hit me TWICE! Most people never hit me the first time! Be happy c:
The current trend seems to be for tournaments to force default Arms. If that's the case, I think Helix has a much harder time winning.
Now that fight with thedan001, that was fun. Good clean fight
TheGoreMagala
Member
molnizzle
Member
oh wow, I love that. I wish ranked forced default arms.
TheGoreMagala
Member
Isn't it confirmed kid cobra has no recovery for charged dashes? What's the issue? Why the possible Helix uproar?
A fight with Helix isn't clean?
Again, it could very well be that I just don't understand how to play the game at a high level. But its like "oh here is a fight I'm going to lose completely and not see why at all" so it feels dirty. Dirty as hell
Bladelores Helix is still hard as balls, but feels "maybe possible"
Yours honestly does feel broken as hell and makes me never want to fight you
molnizzle
Member
Even if he does, he still has to charge those dashes. His base dash is trash.
TheGoreMagala
Member
I can assure you it can be defeated, I know plenty of people that are even match ups against me with that Helix
TheGoreMagala
Member
Everyone uses toasters in the arms getter so it doesn't matter who you pick except that who you pick will get roughly twice as many arms
No matter the character you use the same arms.
Try medium
not by me
TheGoreMagala
Member
Is my Helix really that bad? no love for him
no love for him
molnizzle
Member
Is my Helix really that bad?
Try any other character and see how well you do.
Is my Helix really that bad?
Your Helix is insane. I'm used to getting my ass kicked, even by the other Helix in the room, but I can't hold a candle to you. Its seriously in "why even bother" territory.
I'm sure you'll be great in tournaments or high level play though.
Edit:
I mean how am I supposed to punch at the fucking ground all the time. Helix in the right hands is going to be broke as fuck for us normie casuals.
Dude you're depressing to play against. XDIs my Helix really that bad?
Is my Helix really that bad?
Probably bringing to light to the dev team the first patch sooner than anticipated.
All other matchups seem to be viable, but for that Helix you better pray you have the specific arms to stand a chance.
And yes, I'm considering talking to my doctor about anti-depressants after Gore's Helix. I straight up contemplated listing ARMS in the BST thread and moving on with my life. At least I only have a month to wait for Splatoon 2.
Is my Helix really that bad?
You're a pretty good Helix I must say. I haven't seen your new setup though lol.
Counter it with an arm with a huge hitbox or something you can easily curve and put it on your left arm. When perma-charged, it can really distract their aggressive style.
TheGoreMagala
Member
The thing is, the reason I played him was because everyone shied away from him since he was difficult to play and overall a throwaway character. I thought I managed to get good with him and beat the odds and have become skilled but if it's because the character, ARMS, or the combination is broken, it takes it all away
Most people put him on ice because his default arms are atrocious. Get good with those and the bitching will end. Most people knew he'd be better with more options, but not straight up exploit territory haha
Your evasive skills are on-point though, but Helix excels at that, so good work there.
As others have pointed out, he has to charge and even has recovery on that fourth dash. That makes a huge difference.
The problem with Helix is that at present you can't hit him. In situations where every other character (sans Ribbon Girl in the air) is vulnerable, Helix is not.
That said, I'm pretty sure you force Helix into default Arms and he becomes normal again. I haven't played you with these new and improved medium weight Arms, but even those are a far cry from what he has by default.
TheGoreMagala
Member
Hmm...should I try doing good with double blorbs then? XD
Well I'm the wrong guy to be able to tell you how broken he actually is. I'm not that... into it enough to look at it all super critically or understand the mechanics on a deep level.
I just know that, I do okay and against most people in the room, even when I get badly beaten I feel as though I have a chance.
Fighting the two helix's though... not a prayer, can barely hit either of you
Mind telling me what your favorite arms for the left? Curious what works well with perma charges
TheGoreMagala
Member
Are you free tonight?
Jaded Alyx
Member
Ban Snake Park pls.
Seriously, why are we not able to choose the stage?
Seriously, why are we not able to choose the stage?
The Xtortionist
Member
Couple thoughts/questions about some ARMS
Crackers - the recovery on these things seems insanely short. I was trying to block parry into a dash forward punish and the opponent was recovering fast enough to move away. These seem absolutely ridiculous as a harassment tool.
Seekies - Are these considered good? Their delayed explosion makes them immune to block parrying since the explosion will go off regardless. They have good curving to attack from the side, and the fact that you can't parry them forces you to either hold your ground and take chip or evade, which can be read and punished. Oh, and they shock.
Crackers - the recovery on these things seems insanely short. I was trying to block parry into a dash forward punish and the opponent was recovering fast enough to move away. These seem absolutely ridiculous as a harassment tool.
Seekies - Are these considered good? Their delayed explosion makes them immune to block parrying since the explosion will go off regardless. They have good curving to attack from the side, and the fact that you can't parry them forces you to either hold your ground and take chip or evade, which can be read and punished. Oh, and they shock.
Ram ram is my favorite. It's a bit slow but curves really well. Try experimenting with it and see if it clicks with you.
TheGoreMagala
Member
Crackers are the reason Helix might need to be nerfed.
What nerfs can they do against him anyway?
Poppers/Crackers 100% will get nerf, either recovery or damage. the fact they do so much damage at the speed they are is ridic.
Mummy needs block heal buffed from 10 to 15 per tick.
oh, and Mechanica needs 2 additional arms. Just because I use her the most, so she should be hella buffed to Helix levels.
Mummy needs block heal buffed from 10 to 15 per tick.
oh, and Mechanica needs 2 additional arms. Just because I use her the most, so she should be hella buffed to Helix levels.
Ive been fulltiming ramram at recommendation of goremagala actually
The Xtortionist
Member
I wasn't even fighting a Helix. Crackers in general seem ridic.
Bahaha YEEEEEES I was a hardcore twinteller but Mechanica has really grown on me
Peotical Injection
Member
Really? Every Helix I've fought gets destroyed. He sucks lol I have a hard time with Ribbon Girl players.
*insert GoreMagala invite*
Have you fought the two Helix's in this gaf room? Regular Helix's sure, its cute, its fun, pretty normal. Not these two..
TheGoreMagala
Member
Add me and do some 1v1s then real quick? I want to get as many ooonions as possible
There can be only ONE >.>
I like the sound of this idea (never been a fan of anyone using any arm) but wouldn't people gravitate towards Ribbon Girl like this? She seemed to just have the most solid starter.
I've been experimenting with heavy arms on the left as well, but yeah ram ram is my go-to arm.
Aggressive Twintelle with double crackers is a nightmare to fight.