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[DrROBschiz]

It would help if there was some sort of crossplay, especially since they've spent the past gen saying they didn't want to divide userbases in MonHun multiplayer...



4M is doable, but not particularly realistic currently.
You have to look at the market in Japan and the performance of those titles on consoles in the west.



Do you honestly think that a laptop is something able to replace a handheld for portability?
It's like talking about the mobile version lol. The PC version will sell thanks to its usual strong points (free online, better graphics, controls options, etc), nothing else.

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1190147&page=100000

Hey man. PC ecosystem is pretty robust filled with many niche communities that build their experience however they see fit

dont be a hater

Is SmachZ still a thing? That would also be an option if it ever comes to fruition

GPD Win 2 looks solid or at least the concept does


Either way the options have expanded for this next generation

Tell me... what were my options in the 3DS or GTFO era?

 

[JP_]

Well up till now what have they done dlc wise for mh? Ideally I'd love the destiny/witcher 3 expansion model(the latter more so). But capcom and dlc has been iffy at best

Free DLC -- crossover armor sets, events, etc. But 3DS is kind of limited when it comes to DLC so I wouldn't be surprised if Capcom tries to do G-versions as DLC expansions instead of separate games. I think that could work well.

 

[RoboGeorgeForeman]

People lost their damned minds when MH4 was 3DS

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=30902644&postcount=66

Then again people always lose their minds when a valued game they are invested in moves platform to something else.

Case in point: Bayonetta.

I had no issues following the series from PSP to 3DS, although I was a bit pissed initially that it would once again be on a handheld with only one analog stick and that I'd have to import the frankenstick. This is an entirely different beast. I don't think I've been less interested in a Monster Hunter game outside of that FromSoft spinoff.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

I hope they do, because Capcom does a godawful job with tutorials and content focused on easing new players in. They need to nail this in World if they truly want to grow their base meaningfully.

The games have amazing gameplay with flatout bad interface, Streamlining and QoL features. Will they fix them? Who knows. Is that what is holding the series back? Naw, tbh I think the 3DS just wasn't strong in the West and that limited sales. But then I also have no idea if a lot of the series growth was Nintendo fueled. We'll see.

When my bud had to watch a tutorial to figure out hunting horn it became obvious this franchise is just utter shit at teaching mechanics.

 

[BitStyle]

The games have amazing gameplay with flatout bad interface, Streamlining and QoL features. Will they fix them? Who knows. Is that what is holding the series back? Naw, tbh I think the 3DS just wasn't strong in the West and that limited sales. But then I also have no idea if a lot of the series growth was Nintendo fueled. We'll see.

When my bud had to watch a tutorial to figure out hunting horn it became obvious this franchise is just utter shit at teaching mechanics.

Yeah, I had to consult gamefaqs guides and YouTube videos when I first started because I couldn't tell wtf I was doing lol

 

[Oersted]

People lost their damned minds when MH4 was 3DS

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=30902644&postcount=66

Then again people always lose their minds when a valued game they are invested in moves platform to something else.

Case in point: Bayonetta.

If I weren't a mod I'd ban bet MH4 will come to VITA as well.

Hey Eatchildren, you aren't a mod anymore, just saying 😁

 

[DrROBschiz]

The games have amazing gameplay with flatout bad interface, Streamlining and QoL features. Will they fix them? Who knows. Is that what is holding the series back? Naw, tbh I think the 3DS just wasn't strong in the West and that limited sales. But then I also have no idea if a lot of the series growth was Nintendo fueled. We'll see.

When my bud had to watch a tutorial to figure out hunting horn it became obvious this franchise is just utter shit at teaching mechanics.

Much like souls the best way to learn the game is through other people

they have gotten better about it slightly over the years with QoL changes and more tutorials but the core remained the same

I couldnt tell you if this game has better teaching tools or not but my recommendation remains the same

play with friends

 

[Mupod]

Well up till now what have they done dlc wise for mh? Ideally I'd love the destiny/witcher 3 expansion model(the latter more so). But capcom and dlc has been iffy at best

Major expansions were always done as standalone releases. I expect them to be more similar to Destiny with MHWorld. Server events and minor content updates for free, with at least one major DLC expansion.

For example a 'G' expansion in an MH game usually includes a few new monsters, subspecies of existing monsters, and entire new tiers of story and online content. Keep in mind that a new difficulty tier of a monster means new armor and weapons from said monster, so that's a lot of stuff. G/Ultimate releases are generally quite substantial but the western market is not a big fan of buying the same game all over again. So I fully expect it to be done similarly to how Taken King was in Destiny.

Selling monsters or equipment sets piecemeal just makes no sense for MH and the series has always been about server event quests for everyone to participate in. But I wouldn't expect G-rank as a free update either, there's just too much stuff.

 

[antibolo]

I was planning on making MHXX on Switch my first serious foray into Monster Hunter.

But now that we're not getting portable Monster Hunter at all, I can't be bothered. Capcom lost me.

But such is the fate of Western gamers who prefer handheld games I guess. We're treated like we don't exist. At this point I shouldn't even be surprised. Even on this forum there are plenty of people who don't even understand why people are pissed that we're not getting portable Monster Hunter, they just parrot the "Nintendo fans" strawman argument over and over.

 

[Eolz]

Then buy Win GDP

Show me one running MHW and having a good ergonomy first.

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1190147&page=100000

Hey man. PC ecosystem is pretty robust filled with many niche communities that build their experience however they see fit

dont be a hater

Is SmachZ still a thing? That would also be an option if it ever comes to fruition

GPD Win 2 looks solid or at least the concept does


Either way the options have expanded for this next generation

Tell me... what were my options in the 3DS or GTFO era?

Wait, how am I a hater?
I'm getting the PC version of MHW. I'm just saying portability won't really work for it, and that the lack of crossplay will just keep dividing the userbases, which could have been fixed.

Of course there's more options. Doesn't mean that everything is suddenly good. Which is the issue coming back in all those threads where the slightest criticism makes you suddenly appear as "a hater", "a diehard nintendo fanboy" or some guy trying to kill the franchise's chances for some reason.

You had the WiiU version too last gen btw. Which I guess we could take XXS as a comparison if it was coming to the West instead of ending up like P3rd HD.

 

[kaioshade]

I hope they do, because Capcom does a godawful job with tutorials and content focused on easing new players in. They need to nail this in World if they truly want to grow their base meaningfully.

Now this i will definitely agree on. Some parts of classic MH are straight out obtuse as hell. From the video, the ring style item menu is already a massive improvement.

I had a lot of friends try MH on the 3DS, and it wasnt just the graphics that put them off. a lot of the actual game they found "archaic" And it was little simple things. They understood going to camp to change equipment during a hunt, but in town? why did they need to go to another room just to put on a sword? MH veterans are used to stuff like that, but to a first timer? its madness.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

Much like souls the best way to learn the game is through other people

they have gotten better about it slightly over the years with QoL changes and more tutorials but the core remained the same

I couldnt tell you if this game has better teaching tools or not but my recommendation remains the same

play with friends

I don't have an issue. I accept that it is always gonna be bad at it. But it really does not have to be. Mechanics dont have to bw this obtuse. And if they are I shouldn't need to consult a guide for it.

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1190147&page=100000

Tell me... what were my options in the 3DS or GTFO era?

There were no options. But that aint the same thing as sitting on an expansion and being like naw because they wanna make you buy something else instead. I legit suffered through buying a 3DS to play MH. I only own MH4U and MHGen for mine. I wish you would stop pushing the narrative that people are simply mad that MHW is not on the Switch. Yes some people are mad about that but a lot of people are pissed with Capcom jerking them around.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

I was planning on making MHXX on Switch my first serious foray into Monster Hunter.

But now that we're not getting portable Monster Hunter at all, I can't be bothered. Capcom lost me.

But such is the fate of Western gamers who prefer handheld games I guess. We're treated like we don't exist. At this point I shouldn't even be surprised. Even on this forum there are plenty of people who don't even understand why people are pissed that we're not getting portable Monster Hunter, they just parrot the "Nintendo fans" strawman argument over and over.

Ppl don't understand why this needs to be a thing every thread for MhWorld!

 

[Chauzu]

Do we know anything about crossplay for this game? I doubt Sony will budge which is a shame since I feel Xbox owners will suffer the most from lack of player pool. I also liked how at least Capcom has tried to keep the community together before in the series, even with XX having 3DS and Switch crossplay, and it's sad they didn't take the chance to push it here: I feel Sony would budge for getting a proper Monster Hunter.

 

[ShemhazaiX]

Do we know anything about crossplay for this game? I doubt Sony will budge which is a shame since I feel Xbox owners will suffer the most from lack of player pool. I also liked how at least Capcom has tried to keep the community together before in the series, even with XX having 3DS and Switch crossplay, and it's sad they didn't take the chance to push it here: I feel Sony would budge for getting a proper Monster Hunter.

No cross play between any platforms. They confirmed this the day of the announcement.

 

[Chauzu]

No cross play between any platforms. They confirmed this the day of the announcement.

Sorry! Not been in the loop outside of GAF headlines.

 

[lyrick]

Do we know anything about crossplay for this game? I doubt Sony will budge which is a shame since I feel Xbox owners will suffer the most from lack of player pool. I also liked how at least Capcom has tried to keep the community together before in the series, even with XX having 3DS and Switch crossplay, and it's sad they didn't take the chance to push it here: I feel Sony would budge for getting a proper Monster Hunter.

No Crossplay, just cross region.

So it will be like when they merged servers making N. America & S. America share a server. There's more players, but now and then you're going to jump into a party of Portuguese only players.

 

[BadWolf]

I was planning on making MHXX on Switch my first serious foray into Monster Hunter.

But now that we're not getting portable Monster Hunter at all, I can't be bothered. Capcom lost me.

But such is the fate of Western gamers who prefer handheld games I guess. We're treated like we don't exist. At this point I shouldn't even be surprised. Even on this forum there are plenty of people who don't even understand why people are pissed that we're not getting portable Monster Hunter, they just parrot the "Nintendo fans" strawman argument over and over.

Most people who are happy about MHW couldn't care less if it is on Switch or not, the important thing for them is that the PS4/X1/PC are getting the game and a lot more people will have access to the series.

The same as how the 3DS crowd probably wouldn't have cared if MH also came out on Vita back when it was changing platforms, the important thing for them was that the game was coming to 3DS.

In other words, stop stinking up MHW threads with Switch whining.

 

[RichiRamjag]

Idk why people wouldn't trust the monster hunter team. Its not like capcom outsourced the game

Because you honestly can never get too comfortable with capcom. There doesn't appear to be much rhyme or reason to what they do at times with their IPs.

People who are happy about MHW couldn't care less if it is on Switch or not, the important thing for them is that the PS4/X1/PC are getting the game and a lot more people will have access to the series.

The same as how the 3DS crowd probably wouldn't have cared if MH also came out on Vita back when it was changing platforms, the important thing for them was that the game was coming to 3DS.

In other words, stop stinking up MHW threads with Switch whining.

I'm happy about MHW, but I wish XX would come to the switch just the same for the portable experience alone. It certainly wouldn't hurt the franchise. That said, if XX doesn't get localized, I'd most likely skip world and most other capcom games as I don't care for how they manage their properties. Sick of their games bouncing around platforms Willy Nilly. It's certainly their right, I'm not angry and don't demand anyone else be angry either, but it's how I'm going about it.

I'll miss a few of their games, but I'll manage I'm sure.

 

[Delio]

Well up till now what have they done dlc wise for mh? Ideally I'd love the destiny/witcher 3 expansion model(the latter more so). But capcom and dlc has been iffy at best

Its been free for the most part. But I assume they may want to GaaS it up and might start charging for it. Who knows of course.

 

[Ryuuga]

Quoting myself from that MH4 announcement thread:

"This fantastic news, its hard to be upset about more MH regardless of the platform, but I just wished a typical MH thread would garner this much attention. I'm starting to wonder who all these newfound MH fans are. "


http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=30912086


I feel like I say something similar to this every MH announcement thread.

 

[Sammy Samusu]

There is no "obvious casual direction".

Did you not watch the same scripted video that I did?

I'm not going to try to change your mind. I'm still buying the game. I just don't feel good about it and what it represents for the future of the franchise.

Respect that.

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

Idk why people wouldn't trust the monster hunter team. Its not like capcom outsourced the game

Because some folks will refuse to accept that this ins't just watered down casual western gamer-pandering fodder until they can play a version on their platform of choice (namely the Switch).

At this point you gotta just grit your teeth and bear it.

 

[JP_]

Did you not watch the same scripted video that I did?

I'm not going to try to change your mind. I'm still buying the game. I just don't feel good about it and what it represents for the future of the franchise.

Respect that.

You should have learned your lesson after the first MH4 trailer, which was even more scripted and non-representative.

 

[kaioshade]

Quoting myself from that MH4 announcement thread:

"This fantastic news, its hard to be upset about more MH regardless of the platform, but I just wished a typical MH thread would garner this much attention. I'm starting to wonder who all these newfound MH fans are. "


http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=30912086


I feel like I say something similar to this every MH announcement thread.

I like to think theyre just enjoying the games and maybe dont post much in the OT or Community threads, i know i dont often, unless its to bitch about drop rates. I am in the MonHunGAF Discord though

 

[BadWolf]

Quoting myself from that MH4 announcement thread:

"This fantastic news, its hard to be upset about more MH regardless of the platform, but I just wished a typical MH thread would garner this much attention. I'm starting to wonder who all these newfound MH fans are. "


http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=30912086


I feel like I say something similar to this every MH announcement thread.

Are you asking why a lot of new people seem to be interested in the series all of a sudden because of MHW?

The 3DS install base is how big?

The collective install base of PS4/X1/PC is how big? How many fans were left behind when the series left PS platforms?

A whole lot more people being interested in the series right now should hardly be surprising.

 

[Lelou]

Why they even just had to announce it?
Just they have to prove it with a demo, no need of words here

 

[Oersted]

Are you asking why a lot of new people seem to be interested in the series all of a sudden because of MHW?

The 3DS install base is how big?

The collective install base of PS4/X1/PC is how big? How many fans were left behind when the series left PS platforms?

A whole lot more people being interested in the series right now should hardly be surprising.

The switch was in 2009 from PS3 to Wii. PS3 was never on a level with Wii, in particular not in 2009 and even more so in Japan.

 

[Kyoufu]

Did you not watch the same scripted video that I did?

I'm not going to try to change your mind. I'm still buying the game. I just don't feel good about it and what it represents for the future of the franchise.

Respect that.

First of all, that hunt was not scripted. People have seen that demo multiple times and each time it was different in some way. That's one of their goals when designing this game.

Second, a lot of people, Japanese and English fans alike whom had the same concerns as you were impressed and relieved when they saw that same video you and I did. It looks like Monster Hunter, improved and evolved in various areas, which was long overdue for this series.

You don't have to like it, but saying things like "obvious casual direction" is just FUD.

 

[Delio]

Quoting myself from that MH4 announcement thread:

"This fantastic news, its hard to be upset about more MH regardless of the platform, but I just wished a typical MH thread would garner this much attention. I'm starting to wonder who all these newfound MH fans are. "


http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=30912086


I feel like I say something similar to this every MH announcement thread.

I just dont post in the MH OTs and just hunt with friends. I'm terrible at keeping up with OTs on here.

 

[Ryuuga]

Are you asking why a lot of new people seem to be interested in the series all of a sudden because of MHW?

The 3DS install base is how big?

The 3DS install base wasnt big at the time of the announcement and naturally that applies to MHW since I said "every MH announcement thread". Also yes I considered lurkers but I then I see some petty arguments or cheerleading and question the motive of some posters.

 

[Spuck-uk]

Sounds a lot like 'We won't be making QOL and UI improvements that the game probably needs."

Definitely modern Capcom.

 

[Kyoufu]

Sounds a lot like 'We won't be making QOL and UI improvements that the game probably needs."

Definitely modern Capcom.

Huh? They showed plenty of QoL/UI improvements in the gameplay video.

 

[BitStyle]

Sounds a lot like 'We won't be making QOL and UI improvements that the game probably needs."

Definitely modern Capcom.

Well there defintely are some, but I hope they have a lot more improvements to showcase.

 

[lyrick]

Sounds a lot like 'We won't be making QOL and UI improvements that the game probably needs."

Definitely modern Capcom.

Did you not see the Crazy Taxi Green Arrow Tracking Bugs directing you to the Monster?

 

[killatopak]

Good for fans, bad for newcomers.

I myself would like a less hardcore version if possible. I generally tend to go solo and it can be tedious at times especially the 50 minute super bosses.

 

[Ryuuga]

Good for fans, bad for newcomers.

I myself would like a less hardcore version if possible. I generally tend to go solo and it can be tedious at times especially the 50 minute super bosses.

This post reminds of that thread asking whether all games should have a tourist mode.

Spoiler

Answer: No

 

[jahasaja]

Is nobody interested in discussing the amazing potential of more advanced enemy AI while ignoring all the noise..

I do not know of any games that have more advanced enemy AI than MH so to make them even more advanced seem extremely exciting.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

Well there defintely are some, but I hope they have a lot more improvements to showcase.

Please god change all this go to the house to do trivial bullshit.

 

[Sgt.Pepper]

2mil+ is too generous considering MHTri for wii only did 1mil+. IIRC So far no games on the sony console after ps2 in japan ever hit 2 million in sales.

I meant the series sells 2mil+ normally. On portables.

 

[Raide]

Good for fans, bad for newcomers.

I myself would like a less hardcore version if possible. I generally tend to go solo and it can be tedious at times especially the 50 minute super bosses.

Actually, World could be the best MH for newcomers with its QoL changed and additions. Also, getting in early with a new games is a great way to get invested enough to keep playing MP as well.

At least the series can drop the clunky (imo) controls, which is one of the areas that puts newcomers off. Also, having voiced NPCs and logical world things happening also helps. Again, all my own opinion

 

[pretty done]

I mean y'all trusted them with monster hunter up until now? Didn't yall

I have a feeling most complaining about MHW only became MH fans when it went Nintendo exclusive.

Just a hunch though. This thread is embarrassing.

 

[BitStyle]

Is nobody interested in discussing the amazing potential of more advanced enemy AI while ignoring all the noise..

I do not know of any games that have more advanced enemy AI than MH so to make them even more advanced seem extremely exciting.

I don't know...not entirely convinced that the supposed advanced AI is going to really change up too much. Maybe when more instances of interactions are shown will I be convinced. Monsters fighting and eating eachother is nice, but I'm not really picturing what it's adding of significance to the game as a whole besides atmosphere and presentation. Maybe another way to "trap" and damage a hunt target?

If they could make some interesting quest objectives revolving around monster interactions I'd be convinced.

 

[lyrick]

Is nobody interested in discussing the amazing potential of more advanced enemy AI while ignoring all the noise..

I do not know of any games that have more advanced enemy AI than MH so to make them even more advanced seem extremely exciting.

What are you expecting?

Outside of implementing some player input reading (I pray they don't do this), they're probably going to keep to their Punch Out combo roots with some timer or event based canned environmental interactions and some additional Monster v Monster stuff thrown in beyond Ian/Diablos feeding.

 

[antibolo]

I have a feeling most complaining about MHW only became MH fans when it went Nintendo exclusive.

Just a hunch though. This thread is embarrassing.

Ah yes, here's exactly the nonsense I was talking about in my previous post.

 

[foxuzamaki]

I have a feeling most complaining about MHW only became MH fans when it went Nintendo exclusive.

Just a hunch though. This thread is embarrassing.

Every comment I've seen you make in this thread is some variation of this, you looking like a one trick pony right about now.

 

[NintendosBooger]

I have a feeling most complaining about MHW only became MH fans when it went Nintendo exclusive.

Just a hunch though. This thread is embarrassing.

The topic was going pretty well until you brought this shit back up. It's all you ever do. You'd think after your little vacation, you'd grow up.

 

[JP_]

Is nobody interested in discussing the amazing potential of more advanced enemy AI while ignoring all the noise..

I do not know of any games that have more advanced enemy AI than MH so to make them even more advanced seem extremely exciting.

I theorized a bit in the other thread:

Now that monsters fight each other with pretty intricate interactions, I wonder if there'll be monsters that team up and do coordinated moves against hunters. Would be a cool idea for a pair of new monsters, but even rathalos and rathian could potentially be aware of each other and coordinate somehow.

And I actually forgot, they've already shown the Jagras working together as a pack:

So it's not a big leap to have something along these lines for large monsters.

 

[jahasaja]

I don't know...not entirely convinced that the supposed advanced AI is going to really change up too much. Maybe when more instances of interactions are shown will I be convinced. Monsters fighting and eating eachother is nice, but I'm not really picturing what it's adding of significance to the game as a whole besides atmosphere and presentation. Maybe another way to "trap" and damage a hunt target?

If they could make some interesting quest objectives revolving around monster interactions I'd be convinced.

For me the point of playing MH has, apart from the excellent combat, has al sysslar been observing the magnificent beasts. So for me atmosphere and presentation is half of the game.

I honestly hope they do not create objectives were we should force the monsters to behave in a certain way. I just want even more believable monsters

 

[lyrick]

I theorized a bit in the other thread:



And I actually forgot, they've already shown the Jagras working together as a pack:

So it's not a big leap to have something along these lines for large monsters.

Beyond targeting a Monster their behavior looks the exact same as that used by Jaggi/Jaggia. A couple rush for attack and a few hang back and bark.