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Worst Female Character Design in Gaming?

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I'll post this one both in this thread and the other because the concept is so absurd that I still have to make up my mind whether it's brilliant or silly:

I have to admit actually sorta like this? It's a bit tacky but at the same time I really like how they implemented the skull into her outfit, lol. The skull even looks angry because of the way her bra is shaped.

On the topic of Zarya, I never liked her because of her awful looking pink hair, and her other skins were even uglier. I don't know if she has any decent skins by now but if she does then I'm in.
 

LotusHD

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I mean I don't even think we were that unreasonable?

I mean the designs are definitely sexually charged and pandering but it's not entirely without a purpose in the story. You're free to think that there is sexuality in the designs that pander to people who find it hot because well, it is, but I can also tell you why I think it works in the context of the game that speaks a lot about desires, including sexual ones.

Eh, I personally don't even go that far, it's not really a hill worth dying on for me personally because there's obvious criticism to be had there. I just like it in the sense that it manages to be alluring in a way that many of the examples in this thread are not. Kind of like that girl with the skull outfit.
 

Zolo

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I have to admit actually sorta like this? It's a bit tacky but at the same time I really like how they implemented the skull into her outfit, lol. The skull even looks angry because of the way her bra is shaped.

On the topic of Zarya, I never liked her because of her awful looking pink hair, and her other skins were even uglier. I don't know if she has any decent skins by now but if she does then I'm in.

I can appreciate fan-servicey designs that actually seem to get pretty creative like that. I guess they could be considered brilliantly silly.
 

cuate

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I mean I don't even think we were that unreasonable?

I mean the designs are definitely sexually charged and pandering but it's not entirely without a purpose in the story. You're free to think that there is sexuality in the designs that pander to people who find it hot because well, it is, but I can also tell you why I think it works in the context of the game that speaks a lot about desires, including sexual ones.

garbage to justify t&a design. e.g., Quiet et al.
 
I love how showing some skin = absolute worst design ever.

What's the point of making a post like this if you're not going to quote posts you disagree with? No one can argue with you if they don't know what you're talking about.

If you're talking about Quiet, her design isn't bad because she shows some skin. It's bad because she's wearing a bikini over tights in the desert. Tights are generally made of nylon, which is one of the worst possible materials for someone like Quiet to wear; synthetic materials offer no breathability. They're also too thin to provide any protection. Wearing the bikini over tights would cause chafing, and the bikini top would provide zero support.

I've seen Quiet redesigns that showed skin and still made sense.
 
Suited Samus:

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RIP bulky armor.
 

Dang0

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I'm disappointed Lymle hasn't been mentioned yet. One of the creepiest little girl designs i've seen in a game. She reminds me of a wierd porcelain doll.
 

Antiwhippy

the holder of the trombone
garbage to justify t&a design. ie., Quiet et al.

The difference is nothing about Quiet's character or story references her sexuality to justify actually designing her with sexuality in mind.

I mean it's what we were discussing before. That gaming as a medium should evolve to be able to speak about sex as a subject. Not just like show people boning, but like the actual parts of sex that makes it a really complicated part of our lives. Gaming as a medium is still way too immature about this as a subject but I think nier Automata does really interesting takes on it.
 

Dy_Cy

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Also controversial opinion, but I like Quiet. Detached from Kojima's "Ashamed of your words and deeds" comment, she's really cool. Treated poorly? Sure, the rain/shower scene and her actions in the helicopter are pretty shitty and distracting, but her design and character are cool.

Agreed.

People seems to be obsessed with Kojima's tweet even though it was probably a case of Kojima using funky engrish. There is a problem with the way the game treats Quiet, but in term of design she's fine.
 
2B's design has been controversial on here since day one.

To each there I own. I for one like well designed sexy female characters like 2B. I also really dislike poorly designed sexy characters such as Ivy or Bayonetta. It seems like a lot of older games used lazy show lots of skin designs to make their characters sexy but it just made them look cheap and trashy. A design such as 2B is very sexy but not trashy or cheap in my opinion. She might actually be my favorite female character design of this generation although that could change with Chloe in the next Uncharted release.
 
Well someone said Altina from Trails of Cold Steel 2, so I'm going to say Rixia Mao from Zero/Ao no Kiseki--context be damned.

But she's the best (and extremely popular). 2B, Selvaria, Rixia, you guys have lost the plot. What's the point of calling extremely popular designs bad? They are obviously doing their job if a lot of people like them and everyone and their momma cosplays as them. If showing skin and big tits is supposed to be an automatic disqualifier for good design then this conversation gets real uninteresting real fast.
 

Lime

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Yeah but this is a thread about bad design. Being sexy doesn't mean it's a bad design...

This tells me that you're only engaging the criticisms of sexually pandering designs on their most superficial level.

Read up on the reasons why people have problems with mute stripper sniper or ninja sexbot or nazi tits mcgee.
 

Crossing Eden

Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Thanks for putting words in my mouth
People are calling out other reasons besides being blatant fap fuel for the reasons why the designs are bad. So the kneejerk, "just becuz it sexee dosnt men it's baed" bullshit misses the point completely. Like how those designs rarely fit the context, tell us anything about the character and in a lot of cases outright contradicts their personality thus making them a less believable character regardless of their growth throughout the narrative, they never address the actual consequences of having such figures in the first place, (any women with large breasts, even ones who are physically fit, will tell you how cumbersome that life can be and some of these designs have breasts bigger than their head with incredibly thin torsos), sometimes, (ALL THE TIME) they're just reinforcing sexist, (women are just objects), and racist, (dark skin is bad), and adding to an already huge orgy of similar designs with incredibly similar tropes, (literally decades worth of character designs with the exceptions being notable because they're exceptions) etc. etc. etc. so it's not just because they're juvenile designs, but a whole spectrum of reasons that just a mere glance leads to an eyeroll because it's 2017 and these designers can and should do better because others are. So there's genuinely NO valid excuses.
 
Idk how Lucky Chloe was posted but a far more egregious design in Katarina wasnt

She's so overtly sexual it's ridiculous.

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Even the way she just stands screams tryhard. When I first used her against a friend of mine he was like "What's wrong with her back?"
 
This tells me that you're only engaging the criticisms of sexually pandering designs on their most superficial level.

Read up on the reasons why people have problems with mute stripper sniper or ninja sexbot or nazi tits mcgee.

I'm not defending Quiet or Whoever the fuck nazi tits mcgee is, I'm not a fan of them. I guess ninja sexbot is how you see 2B? There are actually reasons for the ways the androids dress in Nier Automata but I'm guessing you never played the game or bothered to read up on the game before being offended by her design?
 

dralla

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But she's the best (and extremely popular). 2B, Selvaria, Rixia, you guys have lost the plot. What's the point of calling extremely popular designs bad? They are obviously doing their job if a lot of people like them and everyone and their momma cosplays as them. If showing skin and big tits is supposed to be an automatic disqualifier for good design then this conversation gets real uninteresting real fast.

Are you saying if something is popular it can't be criticized or it can't be considered problematic?
 

Ferr986

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To each there I own. I for one like well designed sexy female characters like 2B. I also really dislike poorly designed sexy characters such as Ivy or Bayonetta. It seems like a lot of older games used lazy show lots of skin designs to make their characters sexy but it just made them look cheap and trashy. A design such as 2B is very sexy but not trashy or cheap in my opinion. She might actually be my favorite female character design of this generation although that could change with Chloe in the next Uncharted release.

Honestly surprised you think 2B is good and Bayo trashy.
2B actually shows more than Bayo (other than the naked attacks, yeah that is stupid). 2B got Bayo's big ass, plus more cleavage , and almost imposible wide hips that also always shows because of the cut in her skirt. Also it feels like game constantly tries to show to the player her ass (I mean, running animation puts it straight in your face).

Honestly, if it wasn't because the stupidity of naked attacks Bayonetta would be more "tame" than 2B. A lot of Bayo sexuality comes from her personality, something that 2B doesn't has because she's pretty bland (makes sense with the story but still).

Then Ivy is in another league, she's certainly more trashier than 2B and Bayo.
 

Zolo

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This tells me that you're only engaging the criticisms of sexually pandering designs on their most superficial level.

Read up on the reasons why people have problems with mute stripper sniper or ninja sexbot or nazi tits mcgee.
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Just that for the most part, the designs of women are more sexualized than the men. The guy who appears nude literally doesn't even have genitalia.
False equivalency when there's not an outright vagina shown either.

Not the "worst" per say but having recently finished Nier Automata, 2B and A2 are pretty bad when it comes to over-sexualization and trying to appeal to straight dudes
'over-sexualization'.
 

Raging Spaniard

If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
People are calling out other resides besides being blatant fap fuel for the reasons why the designs are bad. So the kneejerk, "just becuz it sexee dosnt men it's baed" bullshit misses the point completely. Like how those designs rarely fit the context, tell us anything about the character and in a lot of cases outright contradicts their personality thus making them a less believable character regardless of their growth throughout the narrative, they never address teh actual consequences of having such figures in the first place, sometimes they're just reinforcing sexist and racist notions like dark skin is bad and adding to an already huge orgy of similar designs with incredibly similar tropes, etc. etc. etc. so it's not just because they're juvenile designs, but a whole spectrum of reasons that just a mere glance leads to an eyeroll.

Take a minute, man, thats a lot of typing.

My point is the ... exact opposite of what you think it is? Somebody -actually- complained about Zaryas design, Zarya! The complaint was basically "I dont find her attractive so its bad" Thats what Im complaining about, that train of thought. Shes not sold as sexy, shes not portrayed as fap material, so the design doesnt "fail" because youre not into muscular women.
 

Crossing Eden

Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
I'm not defending Quiet or Whoever the fuck nazi tits mcgee is, I'm not a fan of them. I guess ninja sexbot is how you see 2B? There are actually reasons for the ways the androids dress in Nier Automata but I'm guessing you never played the game or bothered to read up on the game before being offended by her design?
You're saying this as if male writers creating story reasons for sexualized outfits for women isn't in and of itself an incredibly common and problematic trope.


Take a minute, man, thats a lot of typing.

My point is the ... exact opposite of what you think it is? Somebody -actually- complained about Zaryas design, Zarya! The complaint was basically "I dont find her attractive so its bad" Thats what Im complaining about, that train of thought. Shes not sold as sexy, shes not portrayed as fap material, so the design doesnt "fail" because youre not into muscular women.
Oh you see I thought you were referring to the people who were complaining about the sexualized designs in the first place. My bad. Still, something that needs to be said,
It should be known that I took four years of infotech, (essentially typing classes), I type incredibly fast for good reason. :p

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I'm disappointed Lymle hasn't been mentioned yet. One of the creepiest little girl designs i've seen in a game. She reminds me of a wierd porcelain doll.
Looking at that character it seems like the result of a bad modeling, writing, and I mean (and I mean really bad and egregious writing), and animation team moreso than an outright bad character design.
 
Honestly surprised you think 2B is good and Bayo trashy.
2B actually shows more than Bayo (other than the naked attacks, yeah that is stupid). 2B got Bayo's big ass, plus more cleavage , and almost imposible wide hips that also always shows because of the cut in her skirt. Also it feels like game constantly tries to show to the player her ass (I mean, running animation puts it straight in your face).

Honestly, if it wasn't because the stupidity of naked attacks Bayonetta would be more "tame" than 2B (and IMO more of an original design, 2B is just a gothic girl with a really big ass in my eyes). A lot of Bayo sexuality comes from her personality, something that 2B doesn't has because she's pretty bland (makes sense with the story but still).

Then Ivy is in another league, she's certainly more trashier than 2B and Bayo.

I don't think showing more skin or having different proportions necessarily makes a design worse. You can have fully covered well designed female characters like Chloe from Uncharted or women that show off their sex appeal like 2B. You can also be sexy without showing a lot of skin. You can also be sexy while showing lots of skin.

You're saying this as if male writers creating story reasons for sexualized outfits for women isn't in and of itself an incredibly common and problematic trope.

I don't see a problem with it. Men are genetically wired to like looking at sexy ladies, nothing problematic or shameful about that.
 

Raging Spaniard

If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
You're saying this as if male writers creating story reasons for sexualized outfits for women isn't in and of itself an incredibly common and problematic trope.



Oh you see I thought you were referring to the people who were complaining about the sexualized designs in the first place. My bad. Still, something that needs to be said,
It should be known that I took four years of infotech, (essentially typing classes), I type incredibly fast for good reason. :p

Ya man, Im down for whatever the design calls for. If the character is meant to evoke desire and it fits your narrative and visual style ... then go all out (Cammy, Bayonetta, they work! The metal thong lady in Warrior Within ... does not). We can argue whether the idea of selling sex as a marketing material is immoral or sexist, but thats a different conversation, I feel. Kojima used to be a decent example on how to do this right (Sniper Wolf and Eva are pretty out there designs) but he probably went too far with Quiet
 

Ferr986

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I don't think showing more skin or having different proportions necessarily makes a design worse. You can have fully covered well designed female characters like Chloe from Uncharted or women that show off their sex appeal like 2B. You can also be sexy without showing a lot of skin. You can also be sexy while showing lots of skin.

I understand and I can agree. It's just that I don't see it in 2B, especially when compared to Bayo. But of course that's just me, 2B never clicked to me honestly :/
 
I understand and I can agree. It's just that I don't see it in 2B, especially when compared to Bayo. But of course that's just me, 2B never clicked to me honestly :/

Fair enough :) To me Bayonetta had spidery proportions and a tiny head and was just a bit over the top for me. Still love the game though.
 

Lime

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I don't think showing more skin or having different proportions necessarily makes a design worse. You can have fully covered well designed female characters like Chloe from Uncharted or women that show off their sex appeal like 2B. You can also be sexy without showing a lot of skin. You can also be sexy while showing lots of skin .

Again you're engaging the criticisms on a superficial level. Read my post above again.

I don't see a problem with it. Men are genetically wired to like looking at sexy ladies, nothing problematic or shameful about that

This is heteronormative nonsense using the naturalistic fallacy. You're implying that homosexual and bisexual and asexual men are "genetically" deviant.
 
Oh man. I LOVE this design. I never played that Prince of Persia game, but that girl looks both super-hot and badass to me. I even like the short hair.
When it comes to female character designs that I dislike, there are many that I find very unattractive or plain boring, but Makoto from Street Fighter 3 is probably my best example. She has giant feet, nothing visibly feminine going for her and she looks too similar to the king of vanilla character design (Ryu).
I do concede her ball-punch Ultra attack in SF4 was pretty funny.

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I really dislike Zarya from Overwatch too. I like her face and her gun, but her super-muscular body is something I'd rather not see.

Your post contains both a claim that her body lacks anything apparently feminine, and an image depicting Makoto's cleavage

embarrassing lmao
 
Again you're engaging the criticisms on a superficial level. Read my post above again.

Yeah, its a thread about female character design. I don't need to read past a superficial level to know what appeals to my tastes. I honestly don't care that much.

This is heteronormative nonsense using the naturalistic fallacy. You're implying that homosexual and bisexual and asexual men are "genetically" deviant.

I'm a heterosexual male, like lots of people. There is nothing shameful about being attracted to visually sexy women. Having a heterosexual male viewpoint doesn't automatically make my opinion nonsense. Nowhere did I imply anything about homosexual, bisexual or asexual men. You reached that conclusion all on your own.
 
Are you saying if something is popular it can't be criticized or it can't be considered problematic?

No, I think that with stuff that is 100% a matter of aesthetics, being all contrarian is just very futile. Is it pleasing to the eye for a lot of people and therefore contributing to the success of the product as a whole? That's a resounding yes in the case of Automata, so the design is obviously doing its job. So yeah, you might not like it for some reason, but it's not like you're going to find the words to make people think that her design is somehow actually not attractive as hell, this isn't really the domain of rational discourse.
 

Jennipeg

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I can't believe I'm seeing 2B showing up in this thread. Maybe the slit in her dress is a bit much but goddamn, I love her design.

Me too, I've always been a fan. I like sexy female characters sometimes, but as a straight woman, my idea of sexy is obviously different to a man's (in many cases anyway), and I find a lot of examples in this thread over the top and tacky. But I don't count 2B among them.

My personal view,

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Yennefer is the sexiest character ever made, I have a serious girl crush on her, its a good mix of design and personality. I just love her.
 

Crossing Eden

Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
I don't see a problem with it. Men are genetically wired to like looking at sexy ladies, nothing problematic or shameful about that.
Men are not genetically wired to want to write narrative reasons for bad character designs. In fact, most successful writers tend not to do that. There's a reason this industry praises Ellie yet laughs at best at a character like Quiet in this day and age.

Ya man, Im down for whatever the design calls for. If the character is meant to evoke desire and it fits your narrative and visual style ... then go all out (Cammy, Bayonetta, they work! The metal thong lady in Warrior Within ... does not). We can argue whether the idea of selling sex as a marketing material is immoral or sexist, but thats a different conversation, I feel. Kojima used to be a decent example on how to do this right (Sniper Wolf and Eva are pretty out there designs) but he probably went too far with Quiet
There's not even a probably about it. Quiet's writing is straight up misogynistic, hell, everything about the way women are treated in MGSV is misogynistic...Strangelove LITERALLY gets fridged, Paz is tortured and raped and then killed and even the reason she killed herself turns out to be misrepresented, Quiet is literally burned alive and the only member of her entire hit squad who's shown not wearing a mask, (when the player could've put two and two together if she was shown wearing a mask because hello, SINGLE female character in the narrative, they treat her appearance at the beginning like a revelation regardless because the writing is shit), ofc since she's a woman there has to be a scene where she almost gets raped, it's incredibly bad.
 

WaffleTaco

Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
Yeah, its a thread about female character design. I don't need to read past a superficial level to know what appeals to my tastes. I honestly don't care that much.



I'm a heterosexual male, like lots of people. There is nothing shameful about being attracted to visually sexy women. Having a heterosexual male viewpoint doesn't automatically make my opinion nonsense. Nowhere did I imply anything about homosexual, bisexual or asexual men. You reached that conclusion all on your own.
You implied that all men are wired to like women...I mean I understood what you were saying, but that's what the poster is getting at.
 
Me too, I've always been a fan. I like sexy female characters sometimes, but as a straight woman, my idea of sexy is obviously different to a man's (in many cases anyway), and I find a lot of examples in this thread over the top and tacky. But I don't count 2B among them.

My personal view,

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Yennefer is the sexiest character ever made, I have a serious girl crush on her, its a good mix of design and personality. I just love her.

Ah yes, I love Yen :D

Men are not genetically wired to want to write narrative reasons for bad character designs. In fact, most successful writers tend not to do that. There's a reason this industry praises Ellie yet laughs at best at a character like Quiet in this day and age.

Yeah, Quiet is a shitty design. I agree completely. I honestly think Kojima was trolling with his backstory for her design. Its absolutely ridiculous.
 

Astral Dog

Member
This is heteronormative nonsense using the naturalistic fallacy. You're implying that homosexual and bisexual and asexual men are "genetically" deviant.
huh, don't go there man, i don't really think that was his intention,at least i hope so.
 
You implied that all men are wired to like women...I mean I understood what you were saying, but that's what the poster is getting at.

Should have said heterosexual men I guess... this person has exposed me for the homophobic sexist piece of shit that I really am.

huh, don't go there man, i don't really think that was his intention,at least i hope so.

The poster is looking for an argument. They knew what I meant.
 

Massicot

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There are plenty of female characters with revealing outfits in the other thread for good design. Anyone who boils it down to "dur you guys are prudes because skin doesn't mean bad!" Is not really being genuine. I mean Nephenee shows a lot of leg in an impractically short armor skirt and Shantae is in a bikini top basically and I would still call those good designs.
 
I'm not defending Quiet or Whoever the fuck nazi tits mcgee is, I'm not a fan of them. I guess ninja sexbot is how you see 2B? There are actually reasons for the ways the androids dress in Nier Automata but I'm guessing you never played the game or bothered to read up on the game before being offended by her design?

I think 2B use the combat suit right at the end no?

Still her design for sex appeal you cant deny that, just look at all Yorha droids on high heels.
 

Crossing Eden

Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Yeah, Quiet is a shitty design. I agree completely. I honestly think Kojima was trolling with his backstory for her design. Its absolutely ridiculous.
We really shouldn't boil down every mistake that man makes as an attempt at trolling, especially when it's the culmination of a clear downward spiral of sexism.
 
Hello, i'm a mechanic, my body is constantly gonna be exposed to substances that are not good for skin at all, I literally am never seen fixing a car, I do however, have scenes where I get to wipe the windshield:


Hi, I'm the ultimate culmination of my creator's decade long downward spiral when it comes to the representation of women, I literally can't talk or wear clothing or else i'll fucking die, btw, I will literally strip what little clothing I have and pose for you like a fucking animal with dead eyes if you take me with on your missions, please pay no attention to my rape scenes or the fact that I literally spend large chunks of the game inside a cage:


Hi, my designer literally gave up:


Hi, I'm a racist stereotype where turning evil literally turns my skin dark, gives me tribal tattoos, and increases my breast size, I literally turned evil because the hero who i've never met won't love me:
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What? Also uncreative literally compared to what?. A long running line of tit ninjas?

Just want to say I love these posts of yours. It's nice to not feel like a lone weirdo because you want more out of female characters than just boobs and ass. Just add Ivy and call it a day :)


I love how one of the first comments is basically "Those SJWs are just jealous because they so ugly LOL" Yeah because we all know you're drowning in women everyday, right champ?

And since people seem to think sexy automatically equals worst, here's a few of my favorite "sexy" character designs

COUNTER EXAMPLES INCOMING!

Vanessa (KoF):
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B Jenet (Garou MOTW/KoF):
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Rydia (FFIV):
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BotW Great Fairies (Zelda)
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Maya (Dragon Quest IV/Dragon Quest Heroes):
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I picked Maya because she just has a straightforward, no frills design. And hey! She predates Shantae by nearly a decade! She's an exotic dancer and performer. That's it. What's nice is, in DQ Heroes they could've really ruined her by upping the cleavage or have the camera focus on T&A in everything she does like Cia in HW. But they don't.

END COUNTER EXAMPLES! BACK TO THE THREAD!

And speaking of DQ Heroes, I know someone mentioned DQVIII's Jessica. I like her, her original Toriyama art isn't too bad.

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I'd like to think he was going for a saucy barmaid kind of look. But they made it much worse in Heroes

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Made her breasts bigger and gave her that dumb victory animation where she hunches forward like her back needs a break from holding her heavy chest up.

Also, I'm surprised all this talk of Lara Croft, and no one has mentioned that other same named character, Laura from SFV.


WHY would you go fighting in something like that? I LOVE boobs, I REALLY do! But not when they're ridiculous or impractical.

And then Capcom decided to double down and give her an alt that could be considered even dumber and even MORE impratical!


I mean I wouldn't say it's perfect or anything but at least SNK's Zarina isn't nearly as ridiculoius.

 
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