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[Smeags]

Yennefer is the sexiest character ever made, I have a serious girl crush on her, its a good mix of design and personality. I just love her.

I'm a sucker for raven dark hair. Shanoa from Castlevania: Order of Ecclesia and Yennefer are some of my vidya gaem crushes for sure.

Anyways, one of my least favorite designs is Nowi from Fire Emblem: Awakening

Ill let Awkward Zombie explain...

 

[Poppy]

sheesh laura's boobs defy gravity

 

[Vital Tundra]

Suited Samus:

Other M Varia sucks.

 

[theangrypirate]

We really shouldn't boil down every mistake that man makes as an attempt at trolling, especially when it's the culmination of a clear downward spiral of sexism.

I think Kojima likes sexually objectifying the women (and men sometimes) in his games. I'm not defending him but I believe he just thinks it's dumb that he needs to have a reason to have sexy females in his games so he came up with a ridiculous backstory for Quiet.

 

[Polioliolio]

Sexy doesn't equate to bad design, but some of these are pretty bad..

 

[zMiiChy-]

I'm not sure if she's been mentioned yet, but

Alyn Shir from Kingdoms of Amalur.
Cool character, but her design is so tacky and cliche it's almost funny.

Regarding the hot topic of 2B, I find the controversy interesting.
Her design actually seems to be popular with a lot of women.

Granted, a lot of women also don't like her design.
I'm part of the latter camp.

 

[Green Mamba]

Milla Maxwell from Tales of Xillia.

I mean, outside of her stupid hair and her stupid outfit (on top of being a bland character to begin with), a "stick with boobs" is often a criticism levied at video game females, and while it's usually an exaggeration, Milla is this criticism personified. Her proportions aren't attractive, they're grotesque. She's a flat board with balloons attached to her chest. She has no rib cage. Her torso looks like a damn cobra.

God I hated that stupid game.

 

[Laiza]

Yeah, its a thread about female character design. I don't need to read past a superficial level to know what appeals to my tastes. I honestly don't care that much.

'Kay. Then I'ma ask you to stop posting if your contribution is always going to be pointlessly superficial.

I'm a heterosexual male, like lots of people. There is nothing shameful about being attracted to visually sexy women. Having a heterosexual male viewpoint doesn't automatically make my opinion nonsense. Nowhere did I imply anything about homosexual, bisexual or asexual men. You reached that conclusion all on your own.

Well, I don't know, as a part of the majority maybe you shouldn't be telling those of us who happen to be part of minority groups (or multiple minority groups in many cases) that you "don't see a problem with it" because you happen to be a part of the target audience (gee, what a shocking surprise)!

And then you go and completely ignore our explanations for why we don't like certain design aspects when we bother to put in the time to respond to you? I hope you can see that this isn't exactly kosher behavior.

No, I think that with stuff that is 100% a matter of aesthetics, being all contrarian is just very futile. Is it pleasing to the eye for a lot of people and therefore contributing to the success of the product as a whole? That's a resounding yes in the case of Automata, so the design is obviously doing its job. So yeah, you might not like it for some reason, but it's not like you're going to find the words to make people think that her design is somehow actually not attractive as hell, this isn't really the domain of rational discourse.

Popularity is not the only aspect of design. Maybe if we were talking about purely graphical design, but the implied aspects of character design are just as important as the overt, artistic aspects.

In fact, I would argue that what a character's appearance says about their personality and backstory should trump visual design any day of the week, though obviously I would want all aspects to be considered. Either way, this argument is needlessly reductive and just a way to shut down the discussion. I'd much rather not go down that track, thank you very much.

 

[Brandon F]

Grey? Fine. Boring? Sure. Unfemenine and unattractive?? Does she need curls and a pair of earrings?? Def confused there.

I think the "non-feminine" complaints stem not from her visual design, but the writing. I really love Lara's look, but I too got a bit fed up at how she spent nearly the entire bulk of both games blaming herself and monologuing apologies for terrible events that largely weren't her fault.

I mean I assume that is the argument, which is kind of a different debate. Separating that entirely, I love the new look of Lara in the artwork.

 

[Zolo]

'Kay. Then I'ma ask you to stop posting if your contribution is always going to be pointlessly superficial.

If that's how you view someone's posts, then it's best to just ignore them instead of saying they should stop posting.

 

[themaskedndi]

Vanessa (KoF):

Yen and Vanessa were both great. A thread that showcased the best sexy designs would be terrific, but there are probably too many character design threads already.

Few more bad designs:

This Harley Quinn costume makes me think of Combusken.

Candy from Magical Starsign should hang out with that guy from Xenoblade 2.

Kamoana's design in Tales of Berseria is even worse than Velvet's.

 

[Crossing Eden]

I think Kojima likes sexually objectifying the women (and men sometimes) in his games. I'm not defending him but I believe he just thinks it's dumb that he needs to have a reason to have sexy females in his games so he came up with a ridiculous backstory for Quiet.

His words directly contradict that theory.

 

[Schopenhauerian]

...she has an [1] exploding skirt with [2] a slit up the side that goes to her navel and a attractive shapely butt paired with [3] a thong leotard...

Out of curiosity, for those folks who may range from indifferent to enthusiastic about 2B's design (as it occurs within the game's context): with regard to the 3 specific features of her design listed above, would the removal/revision/alteration of any one (or more) of these 3 features either reduce/increase her appeal for you? Either as a character, or in purely design terms?

 

[Jennipeg]

I'm not sure if she's been mentioned yet, but

Alyn Shir from Kingdoms of Amalur.
Cool character, but her design is so tacky and cliche it's almost funny.

Regarding the hot topic of 2B, I find the controversy interesting.
Her design actually seems to be popular with a lot of women.

Granted, a lot of women also don't like her design.
I'm part of the latter camp.

I'm in the first group, and I look at 2B like Beyonetta, because I really like both designs, but in game the camera angles kind of ruin it. I don't blame the actual character design for that, although I could do without the split in the skirt.

I also don't mind her fighting in a skirt too much, I watch a lot of women's tennis, and their dresses fly up constantly, maybe thats why I just accept it now, I don't know, but I see it all the time. I have a bigger issue with the heels, for the obvious practical reasons.

 

[Zolo]

Out of curiosity, for those folks who may range from indifferent to enthusiastic about 2B’s design (as it occurs within the game’s context): with regard to the 3 specific features of her design listed above, would the removal/revision of any one (or more) of these 3 features either reduce/increase her appeal for you? Either as a character, or in purely design terms?

I'd say increase, but I'd be fine with just lowering the slit ends.

 

[Laiza]

If that's how you view someone's posts, then it's best to just ignore them instead of saying they should stop posting.

It's hard to do that when they're taking up a significant part of the conversation, you know.

Out of curiosity, for those folks who may range from indifferent to enthusiastic about 2B’s design (as it occurs within the game’s context): with regard to the 3 specific features of her design listed above, would the removal/revision/alteration of any one (or more) of these 3 features either reduce/increase her appeal for you? Either as a character, or in purely design terms?

Just fixing the thong aspect alone would elevate her design considerably IMO. Wedgies are always gratuitous.

 

[themaskedndi]

Out of curiosity, for those folks who may range from indifferent to enthusiastic about 2B’s design (as it occurs within the game’s context): with regard to the 3 specific features of her design listed above, would the removal/revision/alteration of any one (or more) of these 3 features either reduce/increase her appeal for you? Either as a character, or in purely design terms?

I love 2B and I would be fine with removing/revising these features. I'd cleared ending A before I even realized the exploding skirt was a thing.

That said, I would absolutely miss the ending you get if you blow up 2B's skirt or 9S's shorts in the bunker.

 

[Raging Spaniard]

Also, I'm surprised all this talk of Lara Croft, and no one has mentioned that other same named character, Laura from SFV.

WHY would you go fighting in something like that? I LOVE boobs, I REALLY do! But not when they're ridiculous or impractical.

And then Capcom decided to double down and give her an alt that could be considered even dumber and even MORE impratical!

I mean I wouldn't say it's perfect or anything but at least SNK's Zarina isn't nearly as ridiculoius.

Heavily disagree on Laura. Street Fighter has NEVER been about being practical. I cant make you like the design but I think its very good. Goes well with her personality, her moveset goes with her overall outfit, it represents Brazil better than other countries are represented (much better than Vega or Blanka, thats for sure) and she still looks like a martial artist.

 

[Zolo]

It's hard to do that when they're taking up a significant part of the conversation, you know.

I'd say to just put them on the ignore list, but that doesn't really do anything with quotes. Still, it's always possible to just ignore that convo and focus on other users not taking part.

 

[cuate]

Out of curiosity, for those folks who may range from indifferent to enthusiastic about 2B’s design (as it occurs within the game’s context): with regard to the 3 specific features of her design listed above, would the removal/revision/alteration of any one (or more) of these 3 features either reduce/increase her appeal for you? Either as a character, or in purely design terms?

maybe not having an impossibly round ass in a micro thong that the game loves to show at every moment. and thighs bigger than her torso. would increase her appeal for me.

 

[Selddon]

Deus Ex invisible war is the only game in the series that lets you choose between a male and female character and

oh god

 

[Crossing Eden]

maybe not having an impossibly round ass in a micro thong that the game loves to show at every moment. and thighs bigger than her torso. would increase her appeal for me.

Or just getting rid of those heels....gorgeous character animation squandered by pandering design choices because even stylization aside, gravity and the concept of balance exists, heels aren't magic. Worst part of Ciri's Witcher 3 design too and 2B's are even thinner...

Heavily disagree on Laura. Street Fighter has NEVER been about being practical. I cant make you like the design but I think its very good. Goes well with her personality, her moveset goes with her overall outfit, it represents Brazil better than other countries are represented (much better than Vega or Blanka, thats for sure) and she still looks like a martial artist.

Yea but:

 

[Galactic Specter]

Don't slut shame the elderly.

 

[Acquiescence]

And people have the nerve to say that Sweet Dee looks like a bird. Bayonetta legit has the proportions of a stork, if that stork had an uncommonly small head. Just so aesthetically unpleasant to look at.

Also, there are a lot of designs in this thread I like, but I think that might be because I'm partial to big boobies.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Sakura (Street Fighter Alpha 2 and onward ) wins 2nd worst place,

all Sailor Teenager characters in Fighting Games are aboslutely horrible

Zarya from overwatch. Her muscular body is horrendous.

I'm playing through Tokyo Mirage Sessions right now and most of the designs are really good but I can't stand Mamori's default oufit:

WTF? These are great designs.

 

[Onivulk]

Out of curiosity, for those folks who may range from indifferent to enthusiastic about 2B’s design (as it occurs within the game’s context): with regard to the 3 specific features of her design listed above, would the removal/revision/alteration of any one (or more) of these 3 features either reduce/increase her appeal for you? Either as a character, or in purely design terms?

I love the design. I'll even play devil's advocate and say I really like the short skirt and the slit in it. It makes for a unique, sexy look.

The exploding thing could definetely be removed and the leotard doesn't need to be a thong.

However of all these things mentioned the one thing I like least about her design is the heels. That's what feels gross to me. She dashes around and jumps all over the place so the heels just make no sense and makes me think she's dumb for not finding some boots.

 

[TatteredHat]

Out of curiosity, for those folks who may range from indifferent to enthusiastic about 2B's design (as it occurs within the game's context): with regard to the 3 specific features of her design listed above, would the removal/revision/alteration of any one (or more) of these 3 features either reduce/increase her appeal for you? Either as a character, or in purely design terms?

I mean I only did it once, but I did explode her skirt and ran around in the leotard for a while. It was very satisfying, whoever sculpted her butt is an artisan of his or her craft.

I could do without the slit in her dress though, that doesn't really matter to me. Although something would have to be changed to avoid making her dress look too plain.

 

[Haly]

Out of curiosity, for those folks who may range from indifferent to enthusiastic about 2B's design (as it occurs within the game's context): with regard to the 3 specific features of her design listed above, would the removal/revision/alteration of any one (or more) of these 3 features either reduce/increase her appeal for you? Either as a character, or in purely design terms?

I could do without the thong but the slit is very important to me. It adds a lot to her dance-like combat style. I'm a big fan of asymmetry in game costume design.

 

[Ferr986]

Out of curiosity, for those folks who may range from indifferent to enthusiastic about 2B's design (as it occurs within the game's context): with regard to the 3 specific features of her design listed above, would the removal/revision/alteration of any one (or more) of these 3 features either reduce/increase her appeal for you? Either as a character, or in purely design terms?

Maybe? I mean, the most annoying thing for me it was that everytime you were running the game shoved her ass in your face. It was amusing at first and tiring later. And let's not talk about the exploding mechanic.

Although to be fair, it wouldn't help much if they fixed that. My problems with 2B goes beyond her designs (Mind you, I fucking loved the game and the story, even if I didn't care about her).

 

[Tonton]

Kamoana's design in Tales of Berseria is even worse than Velvet's.

yikes
That also reminds me though, Symonne from Tales of Zestiria

 

[Crossing Eden]

I love the design. I'll even play devil's advocate and say I really like the short skirt and the slit in it. It makes for a unique, sexy look.

The exploding thing could definetely be removed and the leotard doesn't need to be a thong.

However of all these things mentioned the one thing I like least about her design is the heels. That's what feels gross to me. She dashes around and jumps all over the place so the heels just make no sense and makes me think she's dumb for not finding some boots.

In universe it's explained that they derive pleasure from combat, soooo....why wouldn't they choose outfits that make combat the most viable in order to get the most pleasure? Oh right, because the design doesn't make much sense.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

I'll post this one both in this thread and the other because the concept is so absurd that I still have to make up my mind whether it's brilliant or silly:

What game is this? She looks great. I think this is a rare example of boob window(s) done right.

 

[SolidSnakex]

What game is this? She looks great. I think this is a rare example of boob window(s) done right.

Exist Archive. It's a RPG by Tri-Ace that was released last year on the PS4/Vita.

 

[Zolo]

What game is this? She looks great. I think this is a rare example of boob window(s) done right.

Apparently Exist Archive.

 

[PK Gaming]

And people have the nerve to say that Sweet Dee looks like a bird. Bayonetta legit has the proportions of a stork, if that stork had an uncommonly small head. Just so aesthetically unpleasant to look at.

Also, there are a lot of designs in this thread I like, but I think that might be because I'm partial to big boobies.

Her exaggerated proportions are 100% intentional.

She has ridiculously elaborate and far reaching punches and kick attacks. They'd look terrible if she had normal proportions. Example

Also it's been said before, but her Bayonetta 2 design is really good

 

[thumb]

Out of curiosity, for those folks who may range from indifferent to enthusiastic about 2B’s design (as it occurs within the game’s context): with regard to the 3 specific features of her design listed above, would the removal/revision/alteration of any one (or more) of these 3 features either reduce/increase her appeal for you? Either as a character, or in purely design terms?

You weren't asking me, but it's hard to say for myself. I'd have to look at the overall impact on her design. My problem with aspects of 2B is a contextual one: her design doesn't feel organic, it feels like it is partially about fanservice. It pulls me out of the experience and makes me go "oh yeah, this design needs to sell statues, body pillows, and other merchandise to otaku.'

 

[themaskedndi]

Bayonetta's crazy proportions are a huge part of why I love her. She's literally larger than life and it feels amazing to play as her. I also love how imposing she looks when she stands next to more ordinary characters.

I could do without the thong but the slit is very important to me. It adds a lot to her dance-like combat style. I'm a big fan of asymmetry in game costume design.

Yeah, the ballerina vibe that 2B has is one of my favorite things about her. I did ballet for 15 years, and it is cool to play as an android that looks like she stepped out of Swan Lake. I could take or leave the heels, but at least they are probably better for your feet than pointe shoes.

 

[En-ou]

Bland, boring, generic, grey, uninspired, uncreative, unattractive, non-feminine, terrible.

Disagree. Better than 99% of what's out there.

 

[Crossing Eden]

Yeah, the ballerina vibe that 2B has is one of my favorite things about her. I did ballet for 15 years, and it is cool to play as an android that looks like she stepped out of Swan Lake. I could take or leave the heels, but at least they are probably better for your feet than pointe shoes.

If they have to appeal to the creator's boot fetishism, there are ways to do that without seeming like blatant pandering:

 

[PK Gaming]

If they have to appeal to the creator's boot fetishism, there are ways to do that without seeming like blatant pandering:

Yeah those boots would have been better.

 

[Onivulk]

If they have to appeal to the creator's boot fetishism, there are ways to do that without seeming like blatant pandering:

This is exactly what I was talking about! Could still have all the fanservice and it would make just a little more sense.

 

[Gestault]

Hell, I want those boots. I used to have a pair of riding boots that were knee-high, and these look like a way more stylish version of that.

 

[SpikedGunner]

Not that I thought that Raita would design a character like her (she's basically Selvaria) but Raita didn't do the art for Valkyria Revolution. It's like how Ni No Kuni 2 is not made by Studio Ghibli but the characters are still using the same style.

I knew that Raita didn't do the designs for Revolution, I just think that Revolution's designs were a step down from the other games in the franchise.

Ill let Awkward Zombie explain...

Ah I love that comic.

 

[Ferr986]

High heels is something that I'll never understand. Do people really find that sexy? Whenever I play a game with a girl in high heels I can only think "man her feets must hurt badly". Honestly they look really bad to me, and that's including in real life too, not just games.

 

[Onivulk]

I'll post this one both in this thread and the other because the concept is so absurd that I still have to make up my mind whether it's brilliant or silly:

This is really clever actually.

Edit: oops lost the image in my quote : /

 

[Haly]

Yeah, the ballerina vibe that 2B has is one of my favorite things about her. I did ballet for 15 years, and it is cool to play as an android that looks like she stepped out of Swan Lake. I could take or leave the heels, but at least they are probably better for your feet than pointe shoes.

I like the heels. Makes me think of flamenco dancers.

I feel they actually emphasize her sense of balance and poise.

Contrast with 9S who is a lot less graceful and even a little clumsy.

 

[theangrypirate]

Well, I don't know, as a part of the majority maybe you shouldn't be telling those of us who happen to be part of minority groups (or multiple minority groups in many cases) that you "don't see a problem with it" because you happen to be a part of the target audience (gee, what a shocking surprise)!

When my point is automatically invalidated because its "heterosexual nonsense" it demonstrates to me that the person I am engaging with is only looking to shame me into agreeing with them, not have a discussion. Obviously sexy female designs have a target audience of heterosexual males. Thats OK, nothing wrong with that. I'm not going to let someone else tell me what is ok to find attractive regardless of what minority group they come from. I'm all for equal representation in games too. You'll never see me complain about something like hot Ryu or Adam and Eve in Nier Automata. I wish there was more representation in games but its certainly not going to stop me from enjoying what I find sexy, and nobody is going to make me feel ashamed for it.

 

[Mik317]

all I know is that this thread and the many of its ilk makes me glad some of you aren't the ones dictating where the industry goes.

holy shit

 

[RuinerPrime]

I love the design. I'll even play devil's advocate and say I really like the short skirt and the slit in it. It makes for a unique, sexy look.

The exploding thing could definetely be removed and the leotard doesn't need to be a thong.

However of all these things mentioned the one thing I like least about her design is the heels. That's what feels gross to me. She dashes around and jumps all over the place so the heels just make no sense and makes me think she's dumb for not finding some boots.

The heels are obviously impractical, but idk...anyone who can kick ass in heels is kinda awesome & sexy to me. Pretty badass.

 

[Orochinagis]

In universe it's explained that they derive pleasure from combat, soooo....why wouldn't they choose outfits that make combat the most viable in order to get the most pleasure? Oh right, because the design doesn't make much sense.

Yes but the creator said the female designs are on purpose to be sexy and not really storywise . 2B use a real combat suit later on which uses boots and heavy armor