LelouchZero
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A Ryzen 5 1600X or Ryzen 7 1800X (both at 4GHz) are over 3x faster sequentially. Zen is immensely more powerful due to the IPC and clock speed advantages it has.
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Nvidia GTX 1060 Overtakes 970 as most common GPU on Steam
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A Ryzen 5 1600X or Ryzen 7 1800X (both at 4GHz) are over 3x faster sequentially. Zen is immensely more powerful due to the IPC and clock speed advantages it has.
I got mine for $360 about 3 months after launch but I do agree with you.
Greatest Ever
Member
980Ti skwad why you slacking?
Polygonal_Sprite
Gold Member
Let's just imagine that you're right (you're not, but let's imagine). Take 13% of any of those numbers
That's at least 1.8 million people. You're in a forum with 190 thousand people.
My point wasn't anything against this forum, it was about the internet in general and how every PC gamer online who talks down to console gamers seems to be able to run every game at max settings / 1440p / 60fps. Even if we go crazy and estimate there's 10 million people with PC GPU's better than PS4's, it's still a tiny number compared to the current dedicated console install base.
I was simply surprised by that, I'm not hating at all. I have a 970 equipped PC myself and enjoy many PC games (mostly exclusives). I just found it interesting as I thought there would be a far higher number of PC gamers with more powerful GPU's.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Holy cow, my 1070 is $70 higher then the inflated prices I paid shortly after the launch! I might throw it up on Craigslist or eBay just for fun.
Not me, these cards are too dang expensive
Hmm... you're right. It really depends on the games. I always thought the stock 1080 was like 10% out of reach for the 980ti with an underwhelming OC, but a lot of times it's apparantly much closer.
Kinda fascinating how much of a beast the 980ti actually is.
Top of the line cards are never that popular, plus it's only been out a few months.
NinjaMouse
Member
Not to turn this into an advice thread, but I've got a 1060 3GB and I'm considering selling it and getting a 1070 8GB. Would you consider this a waste of money?
hanspampel
Banned
right now, yes
1070 is expensive
more expensive than launch
wait für the next generation
NinjaMouse
Member
I mean to add that I currently play on a 1440p monitor...and with the inflated resale prices, I could probably get close to $300 for my 1060. Not looking to challenge the advice, just giving additional info into my situation. Thanks for the thoughts.
Sad Affleck
Member
As far as we know these percentages are about Steam's total userbase which has exceeded 200 million accounts. I can't do the math but I would estimate that the number of people with a GPU more powerful than a console is way above 10 million.
As a point of reference, there were already at least 10 million people back in 2014 with better-than-console GPUs, as per Nvidia's CEO. That's before the GTX 970 even existed. Here's the relevant thread:
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=897767
So as you can imagine the total number today is without a doubt way higher.
980ti is equal with 1070, and can match a stock 1080 if overclocked
What! :0
Even if we got BC on PC, they would still be the same res fam
LelouchZero
Member
Phil Spencer leaves door open for Xbox 360 emulation on Windows 10
In response to someone who asked Phil about the likelihood of seeing backwards compatibility come to Windows 10 PCs:
Phil Spencer said:
Source (Twitter)
GlassAwful
Member
I've been waiting since winter for the 1060 prices to drop in order to give my aging pc a decent upgrade. Instead the prices have skyrocketed, same with 1070s, Radeons, all of them.
Data miners have ruined pc gaming. It's back to being prohibitively expensive because of some lazy assholes trying to make an easy buck. Fuck them.
It wouldn't be so maddening if it weren't for the fact that the way these cards are being utilized to prop up virtual currencies is about the dumbest shit humans have ever come up with. A rat race using supply constrained computer components to crunch random numbers at full wattage 24/7 in order to acrue enough space bucks in the hopes of trading it into money's to cover their investment before it drops to worthless levels because too many rats joined the race, traded out of it, or because it's Tuesday. Humans somehow figured out a more senseless use for electricity than video games.
I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
Data miners have ruined pc gaming. It's back to being prohibitively expensive because of some lazy assholes trying to make an easy buck. Fuck them.
It wouldn't be so maddening if it weren't for the fact that the way these cards are being utilized to prop up virtual currencies is about the dumbest shit humans have ever come up with. A rat race using supply constrained computer components to crunch random numbers at full wattage 24/7 in order to acrue enough space bucks in the hopes of trading it into money's to cover their investment before it drops to worthless levels because too many rats joined the race, traded out of it, or because it's Tuesday. Humans somehow figured out a more senseless use for electricity than video games.
I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
QuantumSquid
Member
I have no reason to, all of the games I play run amazingly well on my 970 anyway and I only play at 1080p so I have no need for the extra power.
Lister
Banned
There ARE. My post above outlines my estimate base don the Steam hardware survey.
The number is likely larger than the number of PS4's sold.
Fried Food
Banned
have a 970, got a 1080ti coming next week.
Tarin02543
Member
GTX 760 still relevant!
Might upgrade once Volta hits stores
Might upgrade once Volta hits stores
Adding up the percentages of DX12 GPUs and multiplying by .75 results in a total of just over 30% of Steam users having a GPU at least as strong as a 750 ti. If that 200 million Steam user estimate is accurate, along with the survey being representative of the whole userbase, that would be ~60 million people with a ~console-level of GPU power or better.
That actually seems higher than I was expecting. Maybe I messed my math up.
perfectsil
Member
Why is that surprising when a good % game on their laptops? it's a platform where an old laptop can still play some newly released games. And if you take "console gamers" as a group plenty still are playing on last gen consoles
PHOENIXZERO
Member
Well, the 1060 on there is likely combining the 3 and 6 GB models so it's kind of misleading. Besides, that's people going from probably a 960 or lower or a new build to that 1060, either version considering the 3GB is a bit of a downgrade and the 6GB is mostly a side grade, especially if the 970 can OC to 1500MHz.
EDIT: Holy crap at the 1070 prices on Newegg. O_O
GameAddict411
Member
It's significantly weaker.
Lister
Banned
Your math is good, though as I mentioned, adding in DX11 card will boost that up a bit.
The 200+ million works well for Steamspy in terms of estimating game owners/sales. But I don't think anyone knows for sure if it's just as accurate for estimating hardware numbers.
My guess is that it isn't as accurate as it is for finding out sales/owners/numbers, but that it probably isn't super incredibly off either.
GameAddict411
Member
for 1080p gaming the GTX 1060 6GB and the RX 580 are already overkill at that resolution. Unless you are playing terrible PC ports, you should comfortably hit 1080p/60 fps.
cebri.one
Member
1060 6GB is a great card 1080p/60, high settings in almost every game. And can do 4K/30 in most games with medium settings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjKwvRxGgnk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjKwvRxGgnk
My understanding is that Nvidia chose to gut integer hashing performance on most (if not all?) of their consumer GPUs a few years back. Instead, they directed their resources towards floating-points calculations, which are much more relevant for gaming.
AMD/ATI did not make such a concession (pretty sure GCN architecture actually improved integer calculations), and their cards continue to handle integer calculations well.
That said, miners are certainly NOT the audience for these consumer/gaming GPUs, as new iterations simply do not target things that matter to miners. Improved hashing performance and energy efficiency (in terms of mining) are not a promise when Nvidia or ATI announce a successor. For example, there's no guarantee that a future 680 will achieve as many hashes per second as a 580 while mining, because like Nvidia, hashing performance does not matter to AMD when it comes to gaming GPUs. However, even if a new card does achieve greater hashing power, it must still must remain energy efficient. A theoretical 680x could be an absolute monster, doubling the amount of hashes per second, but that gain is near worthless (for most) if it increases power draw (and energy costs) by 4x.
Anyway, I've digressed quite a bit here! The cost of 580s is absolutely out of control, and cryptomining is definitely driving demand even higher. Even the 380 and 480 are being sold USED at a premium. Fortunately it seems like AMD is finally launching a line of cards specifically for miners that will hopefully help alleviate the apparent shortage of mid-range consumer/gaming GPUs.
Edit: Forgot to mention that ATI cards also tend to have lower MSRPs than their Nvidia counterparts, which is just icing on the cake (assuming you could get one at that price, lol)
Kadin
Member
I'm still wondering if buying the 1070 was a mistake at launch. I was running an old ATI card and I could have simply gone to a 970 for a much lower cost but the thought process was go with the latest tech since I was willing to finally upgrade. I don't game higher than 1080p (144hz) but hopefully in the next year I'll up that to 1440p.
I'm in the same boat with my main PC GPU. Patient will be a virtue on this. However, I'm seriously considering a 1440p build, so I'm also kinda treading the waters to see what I decide on.
Pilgrimzero
Member
Wish I had a 970.
I really need to upgrade.
I really need to upgrade.
kraspkibble
Permabanned.
a lot of people say 1070 is overkill for 1080p and maybe it was at launch or even right now but i still play some games at 1080p with my 1070. i hate even the smallest frame drop and always aim for a solid 60fps so when i play games like the division or witcher 3 i will play them at 1080p. most games i can play at 1440p but with these 2 if i go to 1440p then i will get drops. i could just lower settings but i'd rather a lower resolution with better visuals/fps than a higher resolution with lower fps/visuals.
the 1070 might be aimed at 1440p but for how long? eventually you'll need to go down to 1080p. i could've easily got away with a 1060 but i had the money for a 1070 so went for that. it'll last me way longer than a 1060.
Kadin
Member
Yeah I think longevity it's still obviously the best choice but I guess it really depends on how low the price might go in another year or so. I don't suspect it'll drop all that much and like you, I'm pushing games a good bit now at max settings to get at least a solid 60fps if not higher.
I bought a whole new PC two months ago.
Made the jump from a GTX 970 and Intel I7-2600k to Ryzen 1700X and GTX 1080 is gigantic. I am very happy with it, while i had the GTX 970 the memory thing is an issue that still was not pleasant when playing games since it wasn't 4gb at all.
Also this is the first time for me to buy a whole new PC with one of the topline videocards i wanted this for a longtime and now i have it.
Made the jump from a GTX 970 and Intel I7-2600k to Ryzen 1700X and GTX 1080 is gigantic. I am very happy with it, while i had the GTX 970 the memory thing is an issue that still was not pleasant when playing games since it wasn't 4gb at all.
Also this is the first time for me to buy a whole new PC with one of the topline videocards i wanted this for a longtime and now i have it.
kraspkibble
Permabanned.
that is quite a step up! glad to hear you're enjoying it
it will sure last you a good while yet. happy gaming.that is quite a step up! glad to hear you're enjoying it
Yeah now with the latest bios update my memory runs 3200Mhz as intended, tested a bunch of games runs butter smooth with g-sync. And it will last me for a long time that's for sure.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
The 1060 is a good card, but it's a damn shame it only goes to 6GB and has a 192-bit bus.
If it had 8GB and 256-bit bus it would be perfect.
If it had 8GB and 256-bit bus it would be perfect.
A 980 ti is about 10% behind a 1070 stock for stock: https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1070/24.html. I don't think it can reach a 1080. Even most OC'd 1070s, which are generally faster than OC'd 980tis, have trouble reaching a 1080.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Yeah it's sucks that these data miners are ruining the GPU market right now.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Shows you how uninformed the more casual PC gamer is when the 1060 has such a dominant marketshare advantage over the 480. The marketshare should be equal between the two as the cards are more or less equal (480 is slightly faster in modern games). Tell me Gaf, why is this not the case?
Yautja_Warrior
Member
Same here, I went for a 1070 when building my PC last year, even though I game on a 1080p screen. I run a lot of games at 1440p and some at 4k but can drop to 1080p when needed, making the card last longer than a 1060 would have.
It should last a decent number of years and by then, cards better suited for 4k will have been out for a while, so I can upgrade to a decent 4k card when I need to.