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[c0de]

Please explain? I never said I knew what was in the campaign, others are stating it like fact, so explain how the onus is on me lol. There are over 100 SP events, no one knows what that entails, it's that simple, but you got me man.

I will say one thing, marketing for GT has been terrible, people still are not sure what sport is.

People confuse opinion with facts? Yes, happens all the time on forums and you won't change that in any way. But still, if you try to prove them wrong that is hardly factual as you repeated many times: nobody here knows the exact details.

 

[onemanasylum]

People confuse opinion with facts? Yes, happens all the time on forums and you won't change that in any way. But still, if you try to prove them wrong that is hardly factual as you repeated many times: nobody here knows the exact details.

That's all I was ever arguing, glad we agree.

 

[4444244]

I don't have a PS4 yet, but with TLG, Garegga, Sanic Mania, and now GTS I feel the need to jump in.

I have read that the Pro model will play most games better, but is it really worth it, will GTS chug along on a regular slim?

(I don't have a 4K TV by the way).

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

I don't have a PS4 yet, but with TLG, Garegga, Sanic Mania, and now GTS I feel the need to jump in.

I have read that the Pro model will play most games better, but is it really worth it, will GTS chug along on a regular slim?

(I don't have a 4K TV by the way).

If you can afford it get the pro because meh why not. I don't have a 4k yet either(waiting for Black Friday). Still happy with the purchase

 

[DriftingSpirit]

I don't have a PS4 yet, but with TLG, Garegga, Sanic Mania, and now GTS I feel the need to jump in.

I have read that the Pro model will play most games better, but is it really worth it, will GTS chug along on a regular slim?

(I don't have a 4K TV by the way).

Might as well get a Pro if you don't already have a PS4.

Stuff like Horizon runs wonderfully on OG PS4 but who knows how GTS will go.

 

[bombshell]

I guess for me it just comes down to out of those 100+ events, how many would have previously been a License Test, and how many are multi-race tournaments. I don't even care too much about the earning credits/buying cars aspect to it.

And the level of effort needed seems pretty low to just churn out events, if you have already got the cars, tracks, etc in the game. Unless there is just no SP AI implemented.

To the bolded, there is.

New this time to the offline Arcade mode is custom races.

http://www.gran-turismo.com/us/products/gtsport/

The Arcade mode where you can enjoy time trials and racing against the AI has gotten even better. Custom races have been added, allowing you to set your own rules.

 

[farisr]

Please explain? I never said I knew what was in the campaign, others are stating it like fact, so explain how the onus is on me lol. There are over 100 SP events, no one knows what that entails, it's that simple, but you got me man.

I will say one thing, marketing for GT has been terrible, people still are not sure what sport is.

We have quite a bit of info already in regards to the details of the campaign from PD themselves.

This is the official info from the GT Sport website of each section-- (All mission counts are taken from a screenshot they released during this E3)

---
Beginner's School (50 events)
From basic skills such as hitting the brakes and how to turn into a corner, fundamentals can be learned from the bottom up, which will prove invaluable for newcomers to driving games.

Mission Challenge (50 events)
As you work your way through short missions, you will automatically pick up fundamental driving skills without even realising it. In the end, you will have a level of skill that will allow you to participate in major race events.

Circuit Experience (21 events)
Through actual experience on a race track, you will step into the true world of high-performance driving. Use the knowledge of track layouts learned in the mission challenges to pick up the basics of how to conquer a race track.

Race Etiquette (24 events)
In online, as well as real races, etiquette on the track is as important as performance. Learn the rules of etiquette and sportsmanship that's required in all player-vs-player races. Even if you're not a top driver with lots of confidence in your skills, you will still have plenty of fun because each player will be matched fairly with people of their own level for fair and equal online racing.

---

From the descriptions alone, it seems like Circuit Experience is the only thing that could hold actual races in it, but then there's these slides they showed last year which indicate that even circuit experience may not be comprised of just straight up races. So yeah, I'd say it's a safe assumption to think that the campaign mode is basically a bunch of glorified license tests designed to prepare you for online. Or at the very least, the vast majority (124/145 missions) of it is.

 

[Fiber]

No Integra, No civic, No more type-r.
No 350 or 370z.
No JDM cars.

Just a bunch of fucking space shuttle-concept cars. That no way you see them in real life. 177 i guess.


Really PD? Is that what you did in 4 years?

I buy it anyway.

 

[onemanasylum]

We have quite a bit of info already in regards to the details of the campaign from PD themselves.

This is the official info from the GT Sport website of each section-- (All mission counts are taken from a screenshot they released during this E3)

---
Beginner’s School (50 events)
From basic skills such as hitting the brakes and how to turn into a corner, fundamentals can be learned from the bottom up, which will prove invaluable for newcomers to driving games.

Mission Challenge (50 events)
As you work your way through short missions, you will automatically pick up fundamental driving skills without even realising it. In the end, you will have a level of skill that will allow you to participate in major race events.

Circuit Experience (21 events)
Through actual experience on a race track, you will step into the true world of high-performance driving. Use the knowledge of track layouts learned in the mission challenges to pick up the basics of how to conquer a race track.

Race Etiquette (24 events)
In online, as well as real races, etiquette on the track is as important as performance. Learn the rules of etiquette and sportsmanship that’s required in all player-vs-player races. Even if you’re not a top driver with lots of confidence in your skills, you will still have plenty of fun because each player will be matched fairly with people of their own level for fair and equal online racing.

---

From the descriptions alone, it seems like Circuit Experience is the only thing that could hold actual races in it, but then there's these slides they showed last year which indicate that even circuit experience may not be comprised of just straight up races. So yeah, I'd say it's a safe assumption to think that the campaign mode is basically a bunch of glorified license tests designed to prepare you for online. Or at the very least, the vast majority (124/145 missions) of it is.

If that is all there is then yes...I won't be buying and I would wager people won't be too happy. Are we certain that's all there is, or was this all we know from over a year ago?

 

[Fried Food]

This isn't GT7. This is "all" there is

 

[farisr]

If that is all there is then yes...I won't be buying and I would wager people won't be too happy. Are we certain that's all there is, or was this all we know from over a year ago?

This is info that's been updated as of this E3. That is exactly what campaign mode is, nothing more nothing less. They've been consistent with their messaging about what campaign mode is since first revealing it last year.

 

[Gestault]

If that is all there is then yes...I won't be buying and I would wager people won't be too happy. Are we certain that's all there is, or was this all we know from over a year ago?

That description I quoted on the official site was updated as of a few months back (start of the beta), which was the only reason I knew it off-hand. It's consistent with how they revealed the solo content, just with more details on how it's structured. I follow these games like a hawk, lol

 

[onemanasylum]

This is info that's been updated as of this E3. That is exactly what campaign mode is, nothing more nothing less. They've been consistent with their messaging about what campaign mode is since first revealing it last year.

Ugh, depressed now....waited for years for that? man o man.

 

[Servbot24]

If that is all there is then yes...I won't be buying and I would wager people won't be too happy. Are we certain that's all there is, or was this all we know from over a year ago?

Same here... I've been holding out hope that they would be adding single player content in the last year but it's not looking good.

 

[onemanasylum]

Same here... I've been holding out hope that they would be adding single player content in the last year but it's not looking good.

Same, ugh gutted...Project cars it is, may get an X1X too eventually to grab forza.

 

[Mascot]

Mmm. Not sure I'll still have my PS Pro come October.

 

[Frostman]

This is info that's been updated as of this E3. That is exactly what campaign mode is, nothing more nothing less. They've been consistent with their messaging about what campaign mode is since first revealing it last year.

I'm out then. Now between PC2 and Forza.

 

[family_guy]

I get what this game is, but I predict some angry people who don't really follow the news and just buy the game expecting a robust career and customization mode that the series is known for. They are kind of doing what Capcom did with Street Fighter V.

 

[Yautja_Warrior]

This isn't GT7. This is "all" there is

True, they have said it's not GT7 a number of times and they have always said GT Sport would be more online racing focused but I could see them adding more features with DLC in the future. Cars and tracks are the obvious ones but they could add more single player features too, Tournaments and Cups like the older games, it shouldn't be too hard to add in.

I don't see GT7 hitting this gen now, so they might as well build on GT Sport for the rest of this gen and GT7 will be a next gen game.

 

[Audioboxer]

I get what this game is, but I predict some angry people who don't really follow the news and just buy the game expecting a robust career and customization mode that the series is known for. They are kind of doing what Capcom did with Street Fighter V.

Expect some angry reviews as well, which is why I said earlier I think it's suicide Sony are putting this out 2 weeks after F7. Reviewers minds are going to be too fresh. Considering this date wasn't released at E3 it's probably reactionary to get out as close as possible to compete. That's a risky move critically because it could end up a bloodbath. Trying to chuck it out a week before would probably have been the better move lol.

Lots of coulds ifs and buts, but speculating is what happens when you have partial info and a release a few months off. It's no one's fault but PDs in 4 years they can't do their vision for e-sports AND build from GT6 a robust SP experience. Reviews will echo that, and simply ditching 7 from the title isn't going to deflect. Not when it's still $60 and the first GT title on PS4.

 

[Phoenix RISING]

These are the known cars so far

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/gran-turismo-sport-master-car-track-list.337662/

Thank you.

Ok there are lambos I am content.

WTF I'LL BE ABLE TO DRIVE MY HYUNDAI GENESIS ON A GRAN TURISMO GAME??? LOLOLLLLLL!!!!

Spoiler

It's a sedan not a coupe

 

[Sebmugi]

 

[fbutron]

Expect some angry reviews as well, which is why I said earlier I think it's suicide Sony are putting this out 2 weeks after F7. Reviewers minds are going to be too fresh. Considering this date wasn't released at E3 it's probably reactionary to get out as close as possible to compete. That's a risky move critically because it could end up a bloodbath. Trying to chuck it out a week before would probably have been the better move lol.

Lots of coulds ifs and buts, but speculating is what happens when you have partial info and a release a few months off. It's no one's fault but PDs in 4 years they can't do their vision for e-sports AND build from GT6 a robust SP experience. Reviews will echo that, and simply ditching 7 from the title isn't going to deflect. Not when it's still $60 and the first GT title on PS4.

To Compete? there isn´t even a competition between Forza and GT... Forza will be lucky to sell 400 mil units in that month

The bad part I need to import the collectors edition =( WHY not US version ??

Maybe sell trough Amazon only or something

 

[Frostman]

To Compete? there isn´t even a competition between Forza and GT... Forza will be lucky to sell 400 mil units in that month

The bad part I need to import the collectors edition =( WHY not US version ??

Maybe sell trough Amazon only or something

Well....... yeah. Most games would struggle to sell 400 million in its first month.

Spoiler

lmao

 

[HomerSimpson-Man]

4 years after GT6 and this is what PD is putting out for GT for the first PS4 title? Damn that is rough.

 

[onemanasylum]

To Compete? there isn´t even a competition between Forza and GT... Forza will be lucky to sell 400 mil units in that month

The bad part I need to import the collectors edition =( WHY not US version ??

Maybe sell trough Amazon only or something

400 Million? Damn son.

 

[farisr]

Launch month sales are going to be terrific regardless of the quality of the game.

 

[Karsha]

Is this a prologue for 7 or its a spin off and total take on the series ?

 

[leehom]

Expect some angry reviews as well
Reviewers minds are going to be too fresh
That's a risky move critically because it could end up a bloodbath
Not when it's still $60 and the first GT title on PS4.

What's your point? All yours posts is re-hashes of the same assumptions you've been moaning about this entire thread.

We get it, you love FM and it's such a great game that you're on this thread 24/7 bashing GTS instead of playing FM.

 

[Gestault]

To Compete? there isn´t even a competition between Forza and GT... Forza will be lucky to sell 400 mil units in that month

Most studios wish their games sold 400 mil units, : P

Is this a prologue for 7 or its a spin off and total take on the series ?

Sort of a refresh to grow from, but it's starting off leaner and specifically competition-based.

 

[Primethius]

This isn't GT7. This is "all" there is

Which by the way is so fucking stupid.

Let's put GT6 on PS3 after PS4 launches and is a huge success without a port in sight.

Let's finally release a GT game on PS4 in 2017 that's way lighter on content than people are used to.

Will PS4 get a mainline GT? Who the hell knows. If the series starts to see huge declines, it'll be pretty damn easy to see why.

 

[farisr]

Is this a prologue for 7 or its a spin off and total take on the series ?

If this does well sales wise, there won't be a 7 and this will be what we get from now on.

 

[fbutron]

400 Million? Damn son.

Ja ja sorry to clarify four hundred thousand units

Not native English speaker

 

[Gestault]

If this does well sales wise, there won't be a 7 and this will be what we get from now on.

To give credit where it's due, a Gran Turismo title could "only" move 1/5th of the units of recent releases and still justify a strong budget. The brand is that important, totally apart from the specifics of the game.

I totally misread this. I absolutely agree.

 

[kevin1025]

Which by the way is so fucking stupid.

Let's put GT6 on PS3 after PS4 launches and is a huge success without a port in sight.

Let's finally release a GT game on PS4 in 2017 that's way lighter on content than people are used to.

Will PS4 get a mainline GT? Who the hell knows. If the series starts to see huge declines, it'll be pretty damn easy to see why.

I think this is going to be the only GT PS4 game.

But I would not at all be surprised if at PSX or elsewhere they announce that Gran Turismo 3 or 4 will be coming as a PS2 to PS4 title. Which would be pretty all right with me.

 

[farisr]

But I would not at all be surprised if at PSX or elsewhere they announce that Gran Turismo 3 or 4 will be coming as a PS2 to PS4 title. Which would be pretty all right with me.

"why would anyone want to play those"

 

[kevin1025]

"why would anyone want to play those"

Haha, he can stay to Gamescom and Paris Games Week and things like that, PSX and these sorts of things are (I imagine --- well, hopefully) safe from him.

 

[Darklor01]

If this does well sales wise, there won't be a 7 and this will be what we get from now on.

I'm going on a limb here and guessing this is what will happen.

Edit: I did greatly enjoy the beta, and playing against others. That may or may not be a bad thing for the series as a whole. It could also be interesting to see what happens if the game sells a ton of copies and then the user base dramatically falls off after the initial month of play.

 

[Jaguar Victory]

I'm out then. Now between PC2 and Forza.

 

[Frostman]

I might end up getting both, but I know for a fact that I will be picking up F1 2017, so 3 racers may be a bit much . Especially when September and October is closing the gap to big fall releases.

 

[MarcusB]

No decent SP campaign then no buy. Might even upgrade to Xbox One X just to play Forza 7 in 4K.
But..... no confirmation that there is not a decent SP campaign

 

[Audioboxer]

What's your point? All yours posts is re-hashes of the same assumptions you've been moaning about this entire thread.

We get it, you love FM and it's such a great game that you're on this thread 24/7 bashing GTS instead of playing FM.

Hah. I guess this is what the internet can do when it comes to criticism. I own one, yes one, Forza game and I've been a rather big Sony fanboy for most of my gaming life. When I grew up, this became less fanboy and more all-rounded gamer. Review threads for this game are going to be crazy. Sometimes speculation and concern pre-release reflects reality, so prepare yourself if this is simply the way you're going to respond to people come release.

I mean, I guess I'm still #teamSony considering my XBL gamerscore is like 4,000. PS trophy level is 20. Not that I need to state this, it's just funny when people knee-jerk to you must have an ulterior motive for criticising a game I like/want to like, when sometimes the fact is someone isn't happy with what they see/have. That's all. Hence why this review thread will be insane if every SP gamer that bashes Sport simply gets told: "go play Forza".

 

[Frostman]

No decent SP campaign then no buy. Might even upgrade to Xbox One X just to play Forza 7 in 4K.
But..... no confirmation that there is not a decent SP campaign

Very true. But when information about the SP is so scarce, (which is a sign itself) then you have to go of the info given over development, such as the PowerPoint above. PD haven't stated any other SP bar the 'tests' above, and if there were any other content, such as a fully fledged campaign, then I'm more than sure it would have been confirmed by now.

 

[DrkSage]

Looks like I'm getting my email for the beta entry on October 18!

Spoiler

salty that I never got my beta email

 

[Popsickles]

Whatching the Trailer the graphics look so much better than the beta so hopefully we will get an upgrade or PD are BSing again.

 

[cooldawn]

Then the argument has to be is PD then incapable of progressing on this new vision whilst still creating a stereotypical GT game content wise? If so, that's either a risky sacrifice or telling that the studio has to stop being so insular and either start outsourcing or increasing in size. It's not acceptable to have to wait 4/5 years in between releases and actually REDUCE the amount of content (by a fair amount).

This was never going to be a stereotypical release though, unless you mean develop a Gran Turismo 7 in tandem.

I read people say they are confused about what Gran Turismo Sport is but, since an ambiguous reveal, we know enough to be comfortable with what it's purpose is i.e. it was never going to be a full Gran Turismo title or reflect a typical release. The teams vision is clear right now.

That's not to say it won't bloat out with DLC because the amount of circuits is pathetically low compared to it's main competitor, Project CARS 2, which has an established e-sports platform too.

I agree the amount of content is low, even for a title that isn't in the normal Gran Turismo family but I'd say the amount of content is pretty close to the original Project CARS and that worked out more than OK. Assetto Corsa is even worse. Maybe we could view Gran Turismo Sport as the start of a new direction for the whole franchise. For instance, do you think there will even be a Gran Turismo 7?

So embarrassing for PD. Maybe they're used to it now.

I'm not so sure for a couple of reasons:
- they hit the reset button and started from scratch
- they do all the modelling themselves (guaranteed quality)

Of those 700 cars how many have Turn 10 modelled?

Just to be clear though, I absolutely want more cars in Gran Turismo Sport. Some amazing Premium cars just gone to waste right now.

 

[Audioboxer]

This was never going to be a stereotypical release though, unless you mean develop a Gran Turismo 7 in tandem.

I read people say they are confused about what Gran Turismo Sport is but, since an ambiguous reveal, we know enough to be comfortable with what it's purpose is i.e. it was never going to be a full Gran Turismo title or reflect a typical release. The teams vision is clear right now.

That's not to say it won't bloat out with DLC because the amount of circuits is pathetically low compared to it's main competitor, Project CARS 2, which has an established e-sports platform too.

I agree the amount of content is low, even for a title that isn't in the normal Gran Turismo family but I'd say the amount of content is pretty close to the original Project CARS and that worked out more than OK. Assetto Corsa is even worse. Maybe we could view Gran Turismo Sport as the start of a new direction for the whole franchise. For instance, do you think there will even be a Gran Turismo 7?


I'm not so sure for a couple of reasons:
- they hit the reset button and started from scratch
- they do all the modelling themselves (guaranteed quality)

Of those 700 cars how many have Turn 10 modelled?

Just to be clear though, I absolutely want more cars in Gran Turismo Sport. Some amazing Premium cars just gone to waste right now.

Yes, but this is where we swing back around to PD are not releasing their first GT game ever. They have relatively decent HD assets from the GT5/GT6 releases that you'd think over the course of 4 years they'd be able to clean up/touch up and include in Sport. Especially the premium cars. That makes the cynic in me think it'll be a paid DLC job. You already paid your 60 bucks, but here is cars you got in the release of GT5/GT6 we now want you to pay for. Yes, all the car game makers release paid for cars, but in the case of GT I'd more have thought we'd always retain the baseline premium from the previous entry and what PD would have been doing is working through slowly "premiuming" up the standard models. Some to include in future releases, others to sell. Plus, considering GT is usually 3~5 years between releases, there is always new cars getting made to sell as DLC. The tldr being, 177 cars for Sport, no matter how you cut it, is very poor for a GT release.

I think I'll give complaining a rest anyway, it's probably the most I've fired off at Sport since it became known it wasn't to be GT7. The release date finally being announced has just set in concrete what to expect is coming soon, and it's not 1 year off anymore. Back when it was announced it was like ahhhh, it's fine, PD will turn it around. Or, it really will be 7, Kaz is just re-branding!

edit: As for do I think there will be a GT7? If this goes as I expect it to, yes. I think Sport might be the height of Kaz doing his "arrogant Sony", and whatever they release next will be a true return to form (hence it will get the 7 badge).

 

[Maintenance]

 

 

[Guymelef]

This is going to review bad.
Bad word of mouth.

And maybe it deserves it. Should be called Gran Turismo eSports.

 

[onemanasylum]

This was never going to be a stereotypical release though, unless you mean develop a Gran Turismo 7 in tandem.

I read people say they are confused about what Gran Turismo Sport is but, since an ambiguous reveal, we know enough to be comfortable with what it's purpose is i.e. it was never going to be a full Gran Turismo title or reflect a typical release. The teams vision is clear right now.

That's not to say it won't bloat out with DLC because the amount of circuits is pathetically low compared to it's main competitor, Project CARS 2, which has an established e-sports platform too.

I agree the amount of content is low, even for a title that isn't in the normal Gran Turismo family but I'd say the amount of content is pretty close to the original Project CARS and that worked out more than OK. Assetto Corsa is even worse. Maybe we could view Gran Turismo Sport as the start of a new direction for the whole franchise. For instance, do you think there will even be a Gran Turismo 7?


I'm not so sure for a couple of reasons:
- they hit the reset button and started from scratch
- they do all the modelling themselves (guaranteed quality)

Of those 700 cars how many have Turn 10 modelled?

Just to be clear though, I absolutely want more cars in Gran Turismo Sport. Some amazing Premium cars just gone to waste right now.

The issue is KAz had said different things, at one time he said it would have everything Gt is known for, and it is basically Gt7 I am pretty sure.