-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
So a vegan just left the dinner table to sit outside
- Thread starter hydrophilic attack
- Start date
astroturfing
Member
woah, heh.. what? sexism? Trump?
i'm just saying how it is, if you go on a rant telling a meat eater he/she is immoral and blablabla, you likely won't get a good response. i know i will just tell such a person to get lost.
IF you are a cool person as a vegan/vegetarian, and approach these things more humbly, you get better results (meaning someone might actually take you seriously and take your arguments to heart). isn't that what you care about, trying to get people to eat less meat? you're just not gonna do it if you act like a know-it-all and put down other people. it is tempting to just be a dick and pat yourself on the back for showing those meat eaters their place, sure.. but does it help the animals?
I'm convinced posts like that are being made by angsty teens who spend more time on Tumblr than they do interacting with normal human beings. It's shit because 99% of vegans are just normal people who have made what I see to be a very respectable moral decision but then you get posts like that which serve only to provoke the opposite idiots on the anti-vegan brigade.
Pankratous
Member
I find many things to be morally offensive (such as religion) but I don't go leaving the room or making a scene because someone else has a different way of life.
Agree with you 100%.
Onlinehero
Member
Eating vegan is a logical decision, as has been stated several times in this thread. Your reason for eating meat is emotional "I want to eat meat", unless you have that condition where you need to eat meat. It's not hard.
Look, without knowing the dealings in this scenario we don't know anything other than a brother being annoyed at someone getting up and leaving a room temporarily. For all we know this could've been arranged beforehand.
No it's not a great look if it was without notice. Regardless, unless the parents who served the food made a stink about this then it would just be the OP getting upset.
Why, exactly?
I was a vegetarian for a good ten years or so when I was younger. I wouldn't expect everybody else at a family dinner table to conform to my preferences. Why should they? Vegetarianism was my choice, not theirs.
You could just switch around what you're saying and ask why everyone should have had to eat vegan just to bow down to the emotional demands of vegetarians/vegans.
If you make a lifestyle choice to eat differently, which is totally your prerogative, and the host goes to additional time, effort and expense to make a meal that meets your needs, expecting anything more than that is completely unreasonable.
Frankly, the guy in question sounds like one of those people who loves a side order of attention and moral superiority along with his vegan suitable meal.
And eating vegan is not an emotional decision? A lot of people do it because of a strong empathy towards animals.
This is the crux, it's perfectly fine for anyone to not want to be at the same table as whatever, meat, fish, brocolli etc. But if someone invites you to eat with them and there is a chance this thing will be served which will make you leave the table, TALK TO THE HOST FIRST LIKE A NORMAL HUMAN BEING FFS.
truestatic
Member
It's a reasonable question. Obviously beef is more environmentally expensive to produce than beans, but how much? The graph was specifically posted to draw a quantitative comparison, but the lack of units makes that quantitative comparison a little murky. I believe it's kg of CO2 produced per kg of product, though.
MilkyJoe
Member
Are you deliberately being thick?
You think serving all vegan rather than a meat dish and a vegan dish, is not pandering to the emotions of the vegan, then?
This is pathetic, I am embarrassed for you.
Kitsunebaby
Member
Yes. It is. You already have people spending their time, money, and energy cooking a meal for you that they're not particularly enthused by (if they were, it would be the main meal). Now you're demanding they eat nothing but the meal they already don't care for.
Does it truly not occur to you that some of us just don't enjoy vegan food? I eat meat with most every meal. And as someone who cooks a lot, only a handful of savory dishes I've made could really count as vegan. If I invited someone to my house for a meal I'd make sure to prepare something they could enjoy. If they were then offended that I wished to enjoy something else, I'd never invite them back.
I've got my own pickiness to deal with, and I've also had to bring my own food or grab a quick bite on the way to someone's dinner party when I knew they'd be serving fish or something with cheese. It would be ridiculous to be upset at others for not catering to what is, essentially, my own self-imposed dietary restrictions.
I have no doubts about the carbon footprint of the meat industry, I however do not like graphs with no source, and with no clear information presented.
Very important to know what's actually being compared here. If people are going to have a real discussion about the contents of the graph, you cannot obfuscate data as is done in those 2 graphs.
xrnzaaas
Member
I didn't write that because of the hatred towards vegans in general. No, everyone eats what they want. It would also be unacceptable for a meat eater to make a spectacle at an all vegan dinner. Thing is "the other side" shouldn't change how and what they're eating just because one person can't be respectful and have something different to eat at the same table.
Jerry
Member
Honestly I would laugh in his face for being so ridiculous.
Majukun
Member
not really that weirs, human cultures consider some animals more close than others...we don't have problems eating pigs because most of us have barely seen a real pig in front of them and they never had one as a pet..meanwhile we have cats and dogs around us constantly, so the idea of eating one is revolting.
and to make a sample of that..i heard that in some countries eating horse meat is considered disgusting..here where i live it's a delicacy
sometimes it's just that we find something disgusting..like when we shiver when we hear that some cultures eat insects, or how from what i heard in the USA eating octopus is considered disgusting as well,and here, again,it's a delicacy.
nah..that would be just childish and passive aggressive. :/
I have so many vegan friends that aren't like this; they are not special snowflakes - they've made a life choice that they shouldn't attempt to push onto others.
Edit: Just to add to this - of course you should get the type of food you want but when you tell others it isn't okay for them to eat their own food you should go and sit outside, because you're not a decent human being that deserves warmth and friendship.
Edit: Just to add to this - of course you should get the type of food you want but when you tell others it isn't okay for them to eat their own food you should go and sit outside, because you're not a decent human being that deserves warmth and friendship.
Onlinehero
Member
You usually don't quit eating meat because you want to or because it's disgusting. You do it because eating meat does harm to others and is unsustainable. It's choosing to subject yourself slander when you eat in public, fewer options when you eat out, fewer shelves in the store, emotional attacks on forums etc. However logic dictates that if you find one way of living unsustainable and you have the option to change it, you should do it. Thus, vegans!
So emotional.
That's the fun part.
Do you have some evidence to support how you know what usually happens when people decide to stop eating meat? Claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
MilkyJoe
Member
jipewithin
Member
All you guys who say he is being a dick.. you are inconsidered. Im not vegan but i can imagine you can feel pretty sick to your stomach to be even in the presence. Sure maybe he is overreacting, but you dont know that for sure. It can be honest his feelings.
Am i a diva for going inside when everyone outside is smoking? It makes me feel sick so i avoid it, is he a diva for going away from the dinner table if it makes him nausea? Perhaps if he is faking his nausea but perhaps not
Am i a diva for going inside when everyone outside is smoking? It makes me feel sick so i avoid it, is he a diva for going away from the dinner table if it makes him nausea? Perhaps if he is faking his nausea but perhaps not
If its clean, I would. Maybe I would try a bit of it, but dog meat seems disgusting to me so far.
Majukun
Member
if he thought that he could stomch it,he and she should have stayed home.
if you still decide to go,,then you know how you are gonna react and you are being a dick.
you didn't go to a smoking party, so your example doesn't apply. a dinner is a occasion where it's required by definition to eat,and they knew the two of them were the only vegans in the room
problem is,in your example you probably didn't you dog was on the menu
they knew all along that meat/fish was gonna be part of the dinner
eyeball_kid
Member
I'm a longtime vegan and this dude needs to learn to cope with social situations.
However, I wonder if this fish still had the head or tail on. I could see that being a bit provocative for a vegetarian/vegan to sit across from. Doesn't excuse the storming out of the house, but I could get the sentiment at least.
However, I wonder if this fish still had the head or tail on. I could see that being a bit provocative for a vegetarian/vegan to sit across from. Doesn't excuse the storming out of the house, but I could get the sentiment at least.
If he's that disgusted by the idea if it, then he must struggle to sleep knowing that his very existence is owed to billions of years of meat eating.
False equivalence, unless the meat eaters in your presence are forcing you to eat it. Second hand smoke isn't the same thing at all.
False equivalence, unless the meat eaters in your presence are forcing you to eat it. Second hand smoke isn't the same thing at all.
Onlinehero
Member
Here's one for you buddy:
http://www.vrg.org/journal/vj98jan/981coord.htm
But don't stop reading there!
http://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/becoming-a-vegetarian
Not sure, I don't have images enabled in my habit browser. But I guess you're being an emotional asshole?The only emotion is the cringe.
Hey, pop quiz
What line is said here?
MilkyJoe
Member
boredandlazy
Member
I only eat meat for emotional reasons? Wow. I had no idea that some random narcissist on the internet knew me better than I did...
It's just mind-boggling to read such statements in a left/progressive-leaning platform like GAF. So not sitting through morally repugnant and physically disgusting actions is childish?
I can imagine the meltdown if the thread title was "So a SJW just left the dinner table to sit outside", because the host engaged in racist / sexist behavior. The tone of this thread would be very different. But I assume that since eating a dead being is "delicious" and feels good in your tummy, it's OK to do so? It's the very same mindset which is being fought tooth and nail in civil rights movements around the world. And it seems that even progressive-leaning people engage in such acts nonetheless and blame the ones who realize the abysmal situation for their bad conscience.
For vegans, seeing your best friends or even your family consuming that flesh is sickening from a very deep level. It takes a lot of effort not to speak up after you went down the conscious path. And even if you're a "cool" vegan who doesn't want to be a burden to anyone, you still get no results from it. Instead, people tell you the 100th time that they only buy meat once a week or once a month and only from happily slaughtered animals. Or even dare questioning your own moral choice. Looking at most of the answers here in the thread which vilify the oppressed, I might need to change my attitude, too, and speak up occasionally.
I can relate to those who left, because I can imagine how that cod was being presented to everyone. Probably the grey, dead glare of the once healthy fish turned them off.
But in order to make the next gathering better, it might be a good idea to ask beforehand if and when they are going to participate if meat or fish is being eaten. Maybe just separate the dishes so that the meat one is finished before they arrive. Or even go veggie / vegan next time for that occasion only, because why not?
boredandlazy
Member
I'm finding it just a bit of a stretch that people are equating eating animal products with bigotry, racism, sexism etc.
That's just your opinion though.
boredandlazy
Member
Must be all those overly emotional people who eat meat. Oh, wait...
Physical harm is being equated to physical harm. You either kill the living or fight for their rights and keeping them alive.
But this really is one of the core hypocrisies in the left movement. And a very bad position to be in, strictly logically speaking, because your only defense seems to be that "it's OK, because we did it all the time". Well, guess what: Sexists and racists use the same "argument". I won't even go to the fucked-up area of "but it feels so good" - it's still living beings you kill. And consume.
I would respect that kind of choice if the ones crying foul would have been the ones to do the killing. But it's easy when you just pay another to do the killing for you. And billions of years of evolution led us to going to the supermarket and buy pre-packaged meat to ensure our own survival? Come on, humans are omnivores and the balance was tipped, because we now mass-produce meat. Eating meat is not the norm, it never was and it shouldn't be, but the marketing geniuses of McDonalds and others told you otherwise. Cheap meat is literally killing us and the planet. Bacon, tho.
Majukun
Member
false equivalence there.
you are going to a dinner,aka a place where you eat together with other people,and he most probably knew that the two of them were the only vegan in the house.
if i go to a place where people reunite to say sexist and racist things and then go outside because of them,well,yes i'm being a child...i knew very well what i was gonna get,yet i just went there to run my creed on everybody' s face and try to shame them into embracing my beliefs.
you are nt supposed to get anything though
being vegan it's your choice,you are not supposed to "teach" anything to anyone. and again,if you find eating meat repugnant,don't go on a social occasion involving eating meat...it's like being against drugs and going to a coca-party...you know you are not gonna like what you see,why the hell are you even there?
come on they knew eat or fish or any animal byproduct was gonna get served in that dinner..pretty much the entire diet of non-vegan people consists on something that comes from an animals,if not animal corpses by themselves.
The Greek Freak
Member
Raucous laughter.
C
Contica
Unconfirmed Member
Saying this is as absurd as saying you don't enjoy food. At the same time you reveal that you, like most, really have no clue about what vegan food is, and can be.
Put simply, you're scared of trying it out of fear you're not gonna like it. Saying you don't like vegan food is a ridiculous statement. By saying that, you now say you don't like noodles, french fries, mashed potatoes, jam, peanut butter, crackers, bread, musli and all the other millions of dishes out there that are already vegan, or can be vegan very easily without anyone knowing the difference. Most people I hear saying this have never even tried something vegan.
Add to this the fact that a lot of people are extremely prejudiced against vegan food. When they taste something labeled vegan, they go in prepared for the worst. I saw a TV show a while back where the same dish was served to a group of people twice. First time they said it was vegan, the other time that it was not vegan. Guess which one the group liked the most. Overwhelmingly people preferred the "not vegan" dish, even though it was the same food both times.
That illustrated quite nicely why I have no respect for the "don't like vegan food" attitude. It's nonsense.
Anyways. My whole point here is that vegan food is just food, and nothing anyone needs to be afraid of. I know a lot of people don't know how to cook vegan, but why not just say so then? I'd be happy to come over and show you. Cooking is fun. Even if I'm not gonna make you turn vegan, maybe you'll pick up spmething new you can use in your own cooking.
shinra-bansho
Member
It's... actually kind of insulting as fuck.
If you want to argue the merits of not eating animal products do so.
But don't compare it to civil rights and gender equity. Jesus fucking christ.
You are invited to a meal, you know beforehand meat will be eaten
The host then makes an extra meal specifically for you.
You then make a scene of taking your meal and leaving the table, pressuring the daughter to follow you.
But of course, you are a paragon of righeousness, so you couldn't possibly have been incredibly rude to people that went out of their way to include you.
Their mistake was not timing the meal and your arrival until they have already eaten. After all, who would want to eat the family meal with their daughter. How silly of them.
Is that how you deal with your own family?
Kitsunebaby
Member
Dude, I cook. A lot. I know what vegan food is. I don't hate vegetables. But I find them largely bland on their own, and I often use animal fats and broths to improve upon them. Even Indian vegetarian dishes, with their incredible wealth of spices and aromatics, would taste worse to me if you substituted vegetable fats for the ghee. You don't seem to understand that people have different palates. Let people enjoy what they enjoy.