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The Nintendo Switch and it's lack of an achievement/trophy system.

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Bronetta

Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
I find trophies to be really engaging on PS4. I dont play games just for trophies but for games I fo enjoy, it adds bonus objectives to complete.

Its my personal gaming record. I can go back over the past decade and see which games I played and just what I accomplished.

If you dont care about them, fine. But you lose nothing by their inclusion.
 
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Madao

Member
if they had an achievement system, they'd have found a way to screw it up already.

i'm not against one but with Nintendo there's always something that doesn't go like what people expect.
 
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dreamlongdead

Member
LQX said:
You know Nintendo games are probably the only games I would really care about achievements/trophies in. Shame they seem against stuff like this.
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Several Nintendo games already have achievements, though. They're handling them in the best way IMO.

This is why I don't care for a system-wide implementation.
 
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BuggeryBugz

Member
Bronetta said:
I find trophies to be really engaging on PS4. I dont play games just for trophies but for games I fo enjoy, it adds bonus objectives to complete.

Its my personal gaming record. I can go back over the past decade and see which games I played and just what I accomplished.

If you dont care about them, fine. But you lose nothing by their inclusion.
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Exactly!
 
AppleBlade

AppleBlade

Member
The Switch is my most played platform right now and I absolutely do miss an achievement system. I think Nintendo really missed a golden opportunity to not only implement achievements but to evolve the idea with something unique. I am very disappointed that they did nothing.

Trophies and achievements have provided incentive for me in the past to play through my backlogs and to do some of the extra things in a game that I normally would have skipped over (collectibles, time trials, alternate paths/endings, etc.).

While I think some people genuinely don't care or want achievements I'm willing to bet that a sizable portion of the people claiming to not care actually would be all over it if Nintendo did it.
 
Cynn

Cynn

Member
I really wish the Switch had achievements. For me they make the game more complete and encourage excellence.

But we can't even have party chat so a system wide enrichment system is really pushing it I bet.
 
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Acorn

Member
MrVargas said:
The Switch is my most played platform right now and I absolutely do miss an achievement system. I think Nintendo really missed a golden opportunity to not only implement achievements but to evolve the idea with something unique. I am very disappointed that they did nothing.

Trophies and achievements have provided incentive for me in the past to play through my backlogs and to do some of the extra things in a game that I normally would have skipped over (collectibles, time trials, alternate paths/endings, etc.).

While I think some people genuinely don't care or want achievements I'm willing to bet that a sizable portion of the people claiming to not care actually would be all over it if Nintendo did it.
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Just like pc dudes were suddenly achievement fans after valve added them.
 
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Dremorak

Banned
I'm not against it being on the system, but I am curious to see what nintendos take on the idea would be. With some small tweaks and better system integration they could probably use MyNintendo to do it pretty well.
 
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Black_Red

Member
dreamlongdead said:
Several Nintendo games already have achievements, though. They're handling them in the best way IMO.

This is why I don't care for a system-wide implementation.
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Yeah, Kid Icarus implementation was cool

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Achievements unlocked some weapons and a small piece from an artwork.
 
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dreamlongdead

Member
Black_Red said:
Yeah, Kid Icarus implementation was cool

esSpu.jpg


Achievements unlocked some weapons and a small piece from an artwork.
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Treasure Hunt is awesome. I put 90 hours into Uprising, and I think I cleared the first two boards entirely. I haven't played the game in forever, but I have lots of challenges left for Hades board.

There are lots of third-party games with good achievements. Theatrhythm, Fantasy Life, and the Atlus RPGs are great examples.
 
Blam

Blam

Member
luulubuu said:
Gotta measure my digital weiner with my efriend in a dead social network, I need those non existant awards by just playing a game, I NEED THEM
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wut?

I'd assume a game like A Hat in Time or Yooka Laylee or even Banjo doesn't interest you?

People like collecting things as much as you might not like it.
 
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Spinluck

Member
I think Trophies and Achievements are kind of cool, doesn't really bother me that Nintendo doesn't have them though. I like the game log more though, hope we get that back.
 
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Papo Swing

Member
Achievements suck as they add nothing. I don't need them in my game to gave fun. I'd rather be rewarded with unlockables.

But...if they game us achievments that gave us a minimun amount of Clubs Coins then I am all in.


Edit: Also the incentive for replayability thing is a very stupid excuse. It makes you replay games you don't really want to for some empty reward.

I've played and beateb dozens of pre trophy ganes dozens of times regardless of achievments. I have never been drawn to do an achievement task without any sort of in game reward. Actually I'd say I am more annoyed at times when trophies pop up, but I can turn that off.
 
mrmickfran

mrmickfran

Member
BuggeryBugz said:
And that's the thing, it would be totally optional so I don't understand the decision not to have it. It only adds to an already great console.
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All that needs to be said. They're completely harmless and would just add more to a completionists list.

But some people make such a huge ass deal at the mere thought of having it. Why?
 
F31 Leopard

F31 Leopard

Member
I always felt achievements/trophies were used to replace in-game unlockable rewards. Back then if you did certain tasks you unlock a cool weapon, costume or secret character etc. Nowadays for completing tasks you get an achievement (yay I guess) and the cool unlockables became paid/pre-order DLC.(sad face)
 
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MoonFrog

Member
IDK. Sometimes they're useful as a hint to content I have missed and would enjoy. Sometimes they give me the rough shape of a game so I understand the pacing better (like the table of contents of a book, or the book's size), and that can be nice. They can annoy me when I feel like I've as good as completed a game and the percentage is too low to match that feeling, but I'm mostly (only mostly) able to move on and ignore them when that happens, rather than play the game too much past its welcome.

I basically just ignore them on Steam, and I didn't play PS3 with trophies iirc and I don't remember my early X360 experience, except the art for the Oblivion achievements. So I'm mostly thinking about my recent Trophy experience, having gotten a PS4 last December.

Basically, it is fine when I'm able to just admire or think about it as a result of my gaming but it can be a bit of a thing on my shoulder from time to time and I don't enjoy it as much when I find myself trying to get trophies.

Thinking about Switch...the existence of Zelda trophies would've probably annoyed me. There'd be Korok trophies. I felt I had a really could, complete experience doing all the shrines, getting all the gear, doing the main quest, etc. And I also feel there are way too many Koroks (I think I may have 200+? Maybe under 200?), so the tug of "Zelda is a game you platinum!" would've caused some friction for me. I'd get over it, but I'm glad Zelda at least had no achievements :p.
 
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SeppOCE

Member
I don't care about achievements and would rather Nintendo put their efforts elsewhere right now. There's so much the Switch is missing and achievements are on the bottom of that list.
 
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Papo Swing

Member
mrmickfran said:
All that needs to be said. They're completely harmless and would just add more to a completionists list.

But some people make such a huge ass deal at the mere thought of having it. Why?
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Because we can ask for more instead of some empty reward.

Meet me half way and I'll rally behind achievements 100%.

Unlockables, coins, some pic, some cool weapon or skin. Anything. Something real!

It's like if I did that whole Mega Man X thing to get the Hadouken and at the end I just got an achievement called 'Hadouken'


More recent example of what could have been?What if you got all shrines in BOTW only to receive an achievememt and the actual Wild Gear was DLC? I'd be pissed.

So meet me half way and I'll rally for achievements. And don't say they are mutually exclusive because they are not IMO.
 
kunonabi

kunonabi

Member
I dont miss achievements.

I do miss the internet browser, miiverse, stamps, streetpass, badges, activity log, and fancier themes though.
 
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Usobuko

Banned
Trophy/Achievement system does lock people into respective ecosystem.

I only 100% the games I like and if I have to grind mindless for them, I'll bail. Other than that, I don't see how this system is detrimental to Nintendo. Your self-control and/or OCD is solely your responsibility.

Nintendo hates being a follower, so it's likely if they have to they will come out with their own take on it. Most of the time when they are behind, it will likely be inferior to the existing standards but you do have staunch fans who will like them for what it is.
 
MarineMountie

MarineMountie

Member
People that want them to disappear on all platforms...why? I LOVED some of the trophies I got while playing NeiR Automata. Same for Bloodborne, Horizon and other games. The games wouldn't be any different if those trophies didn't exist, but the fact that they do makes it even more fun. What do you people lose with trophies existing? Nothing. Nintendo is stuck in 1999, so the apologists just say "im glad they aren't on the Switch, I wish they didn't exist at all". But no reason given.
 
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mas8705

Member
It isn't like it is needed, but a small little incentive for completing a game would be nice to have. I know that with me being close to 200.000 for my gamer score on XBL, I do take a touch of pride in the hard work that I had put in.
 
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KHlover

Banned
Couldn't care less about system-wide achievements. Thanks to Steam I know I only have a single game with all achievements and my average per game is somewhere in the low 20% of available achievements.
Achievements could vanish over night and I wouldn't even notice.
 
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Xist2inspire

Member
Achievements (in-game and system-wise) are cool, but they're not so essential that the lack of them is as big a deal as people sometimes make it out to be. I mean, if they're innocuous enough to not be heavily argued against, then isn't the reverse (they're not important enough to be heavily argued for) also true?
 
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Cipher Peon

Banned
I will never stop wanting them on Nintendo consoles. It's a huge negative mark for them and by far the biggest reason why I avoid multiplats on their hardware.
 
Jubenhimer

Jubenhimer

Member
Nintendo already has a perfectly good achievement system. It's called My Nintendo Missions. Just put those onto Switch games, and we're good.
 
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Merchandise

Member
Weird conundrum

I like trophies on PS4 as they give me some extra things to do with games and I feel like I get more enjoyment/content

But I also kinda like that Switch doesn't have them because games are also just fun to play without having to grind trophies. If there was a trophy for getting every shrine I think I might kill myself
 
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Estoc

Member
Royce McCutcheon said:
Nevermind options, if people view it as a negative, why would they want it on the console even for others. Same for microtransactions
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There will be people that view something as negative, for example, there are anime haters here and everywhere, so should Fire Emblem ditch its artstyle and go for bald space marines?

Achievement/trophy system is nowhere near as destructive to gameplay as micro-transactions as well, it's just there to give people who care something more to do.

The questions are why it's viewed as negative, and how many of those people are there who would skip a console purchase because it has achievement/trophy.
 
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Zushin

Member
Personally, I'm glad that it doesn't as I feel compelled to try and get them and it changes the way I play on PS4. But I can see why people would want them. Strangely it doesn't bother me on Steam.
 
Boss Man

Boss Man

Member
They were missing on Wii U. Even more apparent on the Switch.

The "stamps" thing would fit really well, it's kind of annoying that they're so behind on this.
 
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