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Metroid: Samus Returns (Mercury Steam, Metroid 2 reimagining, 9/15) announced for 3DS
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This should be a happy thread about Samus Returns. Why are we discussing FF
^^^
We are getting a good new Metroid game soon, lets be happy dammit
AlexFlame116
Member
I'm just happy we're getting a new Metroid game.
Other M is just one long corridor and all the new abilities are awarded to you via scripted FMVs. Compared to Super and Prime it's embarrassingly crude.
Thankfully I truly believe that Nintendo have learned their lesson with Metroid, I don't think we will ever get another abomination like Other M. Samus Returns seems to very deliberately realign the series.
TheMoon
Member
This should be a happy thread about Samus Returns. Why are we discussing FF
Because I will give everyone whining about OM and FF shit in the OT where that crap has no business. We're doing it now so everyone can get it out of their system and we can talk about the actual new game in the OT.
Almost done with Fusion, and man what a fantastic game that I don't know, might even top Zero Mission for me. I love much of the challenge, the bosses, the atmosphere (especially when SA-X is around), and this game is nicely tight for least most of the journey through the station. Also probably better arm cannon than the one in Zero Mission.
Getting my ass kicked by SA-X at the end, so hopefully I will get through that and the last bit before Samus Returns comes around.
Heh good point.
Getting my ass kicked by SA-X at the end, so hopefully I will get through that and the last bit before Samus Returns comes around.
Heh good point.
That's a pretty good amount. Seems significantly longer than Zero Mission.
You know what bugs me?
Other M is just one long corridor and all the new abilities are awarded to you via scripted FMVs. Compared to Super and Prime it's embarrassingly crude.
In most Metroid games, most new suit upgrades are rewarded to you after completing some kind of achievement when you explore a new part of the map: A boss fight, a tricky bit of platforming, a puzzle, etc. Even just exploring an obscure part of the map. There are some where you get the suit upgrade before a boss fight, but in those instances it feels like a test of your new power.
In Other M, there's rarely the same sort of thing. The Varia Suit, Diffusion Beam, and Seeker Missiles are rewarded after the player accomplishes something, but the rest of the items kinda just appear at random times in the least interesting locations. Like for the Wave Beam and Ice Beam, you just gain them during fights with random enemies in nondescript hallways. The Grapple Beam, Space Jump, and Speed Booster are just handed to you in hallways you otherwise couldn't progress in. Super Missiles and Plasma Beam are both given before the same boss fight, which is just bizarre to me: Why not let the player have some real experience with one before introducing the other?
And this isn't just because the game is linear. Fusion was linear, but every new suit upgrade in that game you had to fight a boss or find a hidden room. But new suit upgrades in Other M are given in an almost arbitrary fashion.
Green Mamba
Member
My favorite instance of Other M's bizarre item gating was the Speed Booster. You delve deep into a big long series of rooms in the Cryosphere, only to be blocked by some ice chunks. Adam decides to let Samus use her Speed Booster, so you use it to get through the ice, only to find yourself at the very beginning area of Cryosphere.
...what the hell were Samus and Adam attempting to accomplish during this sequence?
...what the hell were Samus and Adam attempting to accomplish during this sequence?
I couldn't finish Other M but was there actually a purpose to making Samus feel so weak and submissive? In Fusion the whole story was centered on Samus being a shell of her former self and actually running and hiding from the unstoppable force she used to be, so Adam giving orders and making Samus seem weak felt ok in context. Did Other M have any justification at all?
Sakamoto's boner, I guess?
I don't think all the barbed comments towards Sakamoto are fair in the sense that ok Other M was a misstep but it tried a bunch of different (albeit whack) things. More importantly from the info about how Nintendo weren't interested in Mercury Steam's Metroid pitch until Sakamoto got wind of it and then went to Spain to check it out, I'm not sure we would even be getting Samus Returns without Sakamoto. And it looks like it has a strong influence from the 2D games as well as an influence from the Prime series.
SomewhatGroovy
Banned
I'm feeling the hype. Can't wait to pick up my new "new" 3ds and game. I'm taking for granted the fact that we are all here chillin days ahead of a new metroid game release.
LegendofLex
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The game does have a very basic justification for why she doesn't tap into all her weapons:
She's in a military-controlled zone on a Federation research vessel, and the game makes a reference to not wanting to inflict unnecessary damage.
Still doesn't explain the Varia Suit, but I have a feeling the universe logic behind the way it works is a little different than the game logic.
Sakamoto's role in keeping the series alive through specific periods of its history has been fundamental and he's done an amazing work in most games he's directed, no doubt. But the one game he both produced and directed is filled with misogynistic undertones and the game design is at odds with itself due to insisting on applying gameplay elements that were obviously not going to work. This game turned the series into a joke and effectively killed the franchise for almost a decade.
There's a lot of made up stuff about him that's kinda ridiculous, but I can't feel sorry for a guy like that. I have difficulty feeling sympathy for stubborn, low key sexist old men, no matter how good they're at making games.
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion man.
Astral Dog
Member
I just want to be happy 😣
CharminUltra
Member
Seriously. 9 DAYS
Just so we're clear, I'm not gonna bring Other M to Samus Returns OT unless the game makes me.
If there's bonkers design decisions that makes no sense and shit all over the game I'll be there making Other M parallels.
The one thing is that I won't get the game at launch because I would have to import it from the other side of the Atlantic because 3DS ain't region free.
If I bitch about it, you probably won't hear my bitching till December or something.
Oh and it's been 7 years since the disaster and I can still talk about it extensively if this one is similar, be ready for another 7 years.
If it's not, I've been singing FF Crystal Chronicle's praise for more than a decade so you'll hear about I feel either way.
If there's bonkers design decisions that makes no sense and shit all over the game I'll be there making Other M parallels.
The one thing is that I won't get the game at launch because I would have to import it from the other side of the Atlantic because 3DS ain't region free.
If I bitch about it, you probably won't hear my bitching till December or something.
Oh and it's been 7 years since the disaster and I can still talk about it extensively if this one is similar, be ready for another 7 years.
If it's not, I've been singing FF Crystal Chronicle's praise for more than a decade so you'll hear about I feel either way.
For the 2d games, super sold okay, but fusion didn't going by gba standards. Zero mission sold even worse at under a million.
Prime 1 sold good, especially by gamecube standards. Prime 2 sold, but still okay for the gamecube. Prime 3 really didn't sell good for the wii though. So you look at zero mission as the last 2d game and prime 3 as the last prime both being the least selling in their sub series...and yea.
Prime 1 didn't just sell good, it's the best selling Metroid game to date.
e:More than 1M more than Super Metroid!
Prime 3 sold more than Prime 2 as well.
heck Fusion sold more than Super Metroid as well.
For metroid it's the best, but if you are comparing it to other series, it's obviously not spectacular. A little under 3 million for the gamecube was solid.
Oh my god, so close now.;_;
So happy to had least revisit Zero Mission, and now finally just gone through Fusion. I am more excited than ever!
It's more than Pikmin ever did and will probably ever do (at 1.6M, 1.12M and <1M respectively).
And they're pushing ALWAYS pushing Pikmin, it's in their system software, in short movies they try to sell and everything.
Metroid is no Pokemon or Animal Crossing (let alone Mario and its spinoffs or Zelda) but it's one of their biggest potential seller if they manage to stop fucking around with it.
It's job is also to fit a gaping hole in Nintendo's library and it's a special shaped hole as well as the industry is very slow at trying to fill it as well.
It's the 6th best selling game on GC, behind Mario games and Zelda.
It's a very strong performance, even more when you consider that it was an inexperienced team of newcomers at it.
Metroid is a predominantly single player series about navigating a complex and often obtuse environment. So it's not that surprising.
And the first Metroid drought wasn't really due to sales (Super Metroid sold pretty alright) so much as nobody having a clue what to do with the series.
The marketing campaign was shite, it dropped in the middle of the summer and basically rode the Wii wave on its own.
It's also not at all the type of software that Nintendo was trying to push at the time.
In hindsight, they should have extended the online multiplayer focus of Prime Hunters and push it as the 2007 online multiplayer game for Wii.
Of course the 1st true online games on Wii from Nintendo would have to wait till 2008 with MKWii and SSBB.
Both megasellers.
The issue is of course that Retro probably didn't have the skillset to pull that off on their own (that where NST shoudl have come in handy).
It could have exploded back then.
It might have been overshadowed by Halo 3 released in the same year but it would have helped them try to push that image that any type of game could work on Wii.
It's also worth noting that multiplayer Metroid game can work. They did put the offline multiplayer of Prime 2 by popular demand after all so there clearly was demand there.
e: I prefer the product we got instead of the online multiplayer enabled it could have been (because it would have impacted the game after all) but it probably would have sold more as a result.
I expect this to sell less than a million copies.
I hate when people pretend the recent drought is due to the nature the series has always been and not because of the damage MOM did. Even Nintendo themselves have said multiple times that they simply didn't know how to adapt the series into 3D.
Fusion sold over a million and a half copies. That's fine going by GBA standards if your name isn't Pokemon.
Zero Mission did dismal though.
I saw this trailer a few weeks ago and it has peaked my interest in the series, so to start off with, I'm currently playing Metroid Fusion and then moving onto Zero Mission. Let me just say, I cannot believe I missed out on this great franchise and Fusion, so far, has got me hooked with it's gripping atmosphere, wonderful soundtrack, great story telling, tight controls and gameplay and it's fantastic pixel art.
Can I ask what is everyone's top 5 Metroid games?
Can I ask what is everyone's top 5 Metroid games?
DecoReturns
Member
Metroid Prime
Super Metroid
Metroid Zero Mission
Metroid Fusion
Metroid (I have a soft spot for the original when I played it as a kid)
Also I vastly perfer 2D Metroid lol
My current ranking
1. Prime 2 Echoes
2. Super Metroid
3. Prime
4. Zero Mission
5. Tie between Fusion and Prime 3 Corruption
I feel like I enjoy Prime 2 more every time I play it.
Neoleo2143
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1. Super Metroid
2. Metroid Prime 2: Echoes
3. Metroid Prime
4. Metroid Fusion
5. Metroid: Zero Mission
Metroid Samus Returns might push off Zero Mission if it's consistent enough from what I've seen. Pretty much every Metroid Pre 2008 is amazing and Samus Returns looks like a return to form which I have to say about damn time.
FloweryMarston
Member
list time!
e: changed my mind
Metroid Prime 2 : Echoes
Metroid Prime
Metroid Prime 3 : Corruption
Metroid II : Return of Samus
Super Metroid
if you feel like there's too much Prime we can do it that way!
Metroid Prime Trilogy
Metroid II : Return of Samus
Super Metroid
Metroid
Metroid Fusion
e: changed my mind
Metroid Prime 2 : Echoes
Metroid Prime
Metroid Prime 3 : Corruption
Metroid II : Return of Samus
Super Metroid
if you feel like there's too much Prime we can do it that way!
Metroid Prime Trilogy
Metroid II : Return of Samus
Super Metroid
Metroid
Metroid Fusion
If it does, I wouldn't expect to see another 2d metroid for a long time after this.
1. Metroid Prime
2. Metroid Zero Mission
3. Metroid Prime 2
4. Super Metroid
5. Metroid Prime 3
Toxi is right Prime 2 gets better and better with every replay.
1M would be a great success.
I don't know if they're trying to really push it but I've seen quite a bit of anticipation for this irl.
It shouldn't do too bad.
If we're doing estimates ourselves I'd expect something like 800k or in ranking I'd say between Fusion and Zero Mission.
If it blows expectations and sell more than they expected, I hope you like that aesthetic because you're gonna get even more of that for a while.
Hopefully we finally get rid of Other M's horrible model for the next Smash.
Feels like it's the most fun to play on Hard mode too.
I don't know if they're trying to really push it but I've seen quite a bit of anticipation for this irl.
It shouldn't do too bad.
If we're doing estimates ourselves I'd expect something like 800k or in ranking I'd say between Fusion and Zero Mission.
If it blows expectations and sell more than they expected, I hope you like that aesthetic because you're gonna get even more of that for a while.
Hopefully we finally get rid of Other M's horrible model for the next Smash.
Feels like it's the most fun to play on Hard mode too.
BluePigGanon
Member
1. Super Metroid
2. Metroid (I'm old)
3. Metroid Zero Mission
4. Metroid Prime
5. Metroid Fusion
FloweryMarston
Member
i don't like playing the prime games on hard, too much shooting
They have had the demo at pax, plus the NWC at bestbuy with posters, so they are pushing it pretty hard. Plus all the ads. This is definitely not being treated like its just a game they want to push out and get over with like nothing. If it sold only about 800k, I would expect 2d metroid to be put on ice again.
Neff
Member
No doubt,the bosses especially. I don't think it's controversial to say that Prime 2 has the best bosses in the entire franchise.
DecoReturns
Member
Time for Metroid to have its Fire Emblem moment.
I hope.
Anyways. never played a game with the 3D on might have to try this one since previews seem to like it
I hope.
Anyways. never played a game with the 3D on might have to try this one since previews seem to like it
Astral Dog
Member
Im just happy we got another Sakamoto 2D Metroid after all 🤗
Should be handling the 2D/handheld series while the PRIMES are made by Retro/other team(?) Like the good old times.
Should be handling the 2D/handheld series while the PRIMES are made by Retro/other team(?) Like the good old times.