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Magic: the Gathering |OT13| Ixalan - Port to Sideboard

Daedardus

Member
Really confused by stuff like this. We knew it was a Masters set and that after MM2 they weren't gonna make the same kind of mistake in terms of just printing crap. They explained that there would be a major theme of the five iconic creature types (which there is) and also "iconic" spells (which is a much vaguer proposition but Mana Drain and Necropotence certainly qualify.) The list of exciting stuff that's not on the Reserved List is pretty short and it's easy to see it's not just gonna be a wall of big rare fatties; also, literally every reprintable card was a possible choice for either Modern or Eternal Masters so by definition this was going to be an overlap of the two.

The only thing that soured me a bit was no inclusion of Lightning Bolt. I get it, they want to keep that spotlight with potential new art for M25, but Iconic Masters without LB just feels off. The card definitely needs a new printing though since copies are creeping up to $3 which is a lot for an (un)common.
 
It's about more than subjective visual appeal, though. It's about adhering to 25 years of ingrained design methodology and straying away from that for absolutely no tangible benefits

Literally the entire point of these lands is that they're different from the norm tho. :p
 
Tips to start playing?

What to buy, good and cheap starter decks, etc
If you go to a game store, you can actually get a starter deck for free if you say you're new. After that, you can buy a Planeswalker Deck.

If you don't know the rules, you should play Magic Duels, but note that updates are discontinued.
 

Farside

Unconfirmed Member
One of the LGS in my area does a free tournament where they hand out the starter decks randomly. I went last time and it was really fun.

Yeah, that seems like the situation everywhere, but current players need to bring a newbie in to receive the Walk the Plank promo.

My whole post was about the Ultimate Guard Matte sleeves, those are slick and would slide if used for an EDH deck.

Yeah, I follow.

Tips to start playing?

What to buy, good and cheap starter decks, etc

Already stated but worth repeating. Play the intro of Duels, get a few Welcome Decks, attend the Ixalan Open House--made for new players--and then buy one planeswalker deck and if your store plays Commander, get one of those decks, too. Total cost: Around $56. Then once you get the hang of it, you can buy single cards or boosters--though boosters seem to be a bad idea as it is randomized--and start augmenting your planeswalker and Commander decks. This is kind of where I'm at right now, though I have also bought sleeves, a playmat, playmat tube, dice for counters. But I'm an obsessive, so most of that stuff can be ignored.
 

Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
This set owns. But the most important part is THEY DIDN'T REPRINT CHALICE BOOYAH



Really confused by stuff like this. We knew it was a Masters set and that after MM2 they weren't gonna make the same kind of mistake in terms of just printing crap. They explained that there would be a major theme of the five iconic creature types (which there is) and also "iconic" spells (which is a much vaguer proposition but Mana Drain and Necropotence certainly qualify.) The list of exciting stuff that's not on the Reserved List is pretty short and it's easy to see it's not just gonna be a wall of big rare fatties; also, literally every reprintable card was a possible choice for either Modern or Eternal Masters so by definition this was going to be an overlap of the two.



Once everyone goes through these one more time and we have a pretty settled checklist for IMA I'll pull together the plausible options.



These are two different things that both happened.

There's a few spells that are iconic but that's just because it's literally impossible make a reprint set covering the whole game without some number of "iconic" cards. Necropotence might apply but I don't see how Mana Drain does - it really hasn't been legal in forever and certainly never defined a deck. Lightning Bolt. Sengir Vampire. Counterspell. Serra Angel. Those are "iconic cards," and also not in the set. Horizon Canopy isn't "iconic," its just a card that sees constructed play. The design aesthetic isn't different in any way than EMA2 - just print a bunch of constructed cards and semi random junk rares from across Magic's history. I don't doubt M25 wasn't helpful in curating this set. I'm also not seeing this "tribal" element actually existing beyond a bunch of the jank being Angels, but janky angels was a thing in MMA and EMA too because practically every set ever made has a bunch of janky angels. Even the list of commons/uncommons doesn't seem to have much there.

Don't get me wrong: I'm not mad about it as I was never going to get anything from the set because I don't have the money for $10 packs. I just fail to see how they executed on the admittedly vague theme. It's just random expensive constructed cards, and frankly, not that many of them.

Also, if we make it to M25 and you're starting to grip about the price of your Chalices, I'm going to just laugh at you.
 

aidan

Hugo Award Winning Author and Editor
There's a few spells that are iconic but that's just because it's literally impossible make a reprint set covering the whole game without some number of "iconic" cards. Necropotence might apply but I don't see how Mana Drain does - it really hasn't been legal in forever and certainly never defined a deck. Lightning Bolt. Sengir Vampire. Counterspell. Serra Angel. Those are "iconic cards," and also not in the set. Horizon Canopy isn't "iconic," its just a card that sees constructed play. The design aesthetic isn't different in any way than EMA2 - just print a bunch of constructed cards and semi random junk rares from across Magic's history. I don't doubt M25 wasn't helpful in curating this set. I'm also not seeing this "tribal" element actually existing beyond a bunch of the jank being Angels, but janky angels was a thing in MMA and EMA too because practically every set ever made has a bunch of janky angels. Even the list of commons/uncommons doesn't seem to have much there.

Don't get me wrong: I'm not mad about it as I was never going to get anything from the set because I don't have the money for $10 packs. I just fail to see how they executed on the admittedly vague theme. It's just random expensive constructed cards, and frankly, not that many of them.

Also, if we make it to M25 and you're starting to grip about the price of your Chalices, I'm going to just laugh at you.

They didn't. At all.

Besides some draft archetypes.
 
You don't need to adjust every knob and slider in front of you just because you can.

Sure, but this is like the exact kind of place where things like "how well do new players parse this" or "how much is this clearly and unambiguously a Magic card that couldn't possibly be anything else" can be ignored the most seriously.

Mana Drain, Necro, Channel. The face cards are there, even if it's just Eternal Masters II.

And I'm realizing the reason not to actually call it "Eternal Masters II" is so people see the actual set and think it's better than their expectations of Timmy jank, rather than see it and be disappointed at how much Timmy jank there is.

There's a few spells that are iconic but that's just because it's literally impossible make a reprint set covering the whole game without some number of "iconic" cards. Necropotence might apply but I don't see how Mana Drain does - it really hasn't been legal in forever and certainly never defined a deck.

This is weird to me. Mana Drain is the spell that's the subject of pretty much the first ever Magic aphorism (the one about R&D getting hit by a bus) and blue control decks in Eternal formats were basically just called "Mana Drain decks" for like fifteen years.

The design aesthetic isn't different in any way than EMA2 - just print a bunch of constructed cards and semi random junk rares from across Magic's history.

I mean my point is basically that this is the definition of a Masters set and the actual amount by which they differ past that is really just a question of whether there's a card set/format restriction or not.

Also, if we make it to M25 and you're starting to grip about the price of your Chalices, I'm going to just laugh at you.

I just have the one and I literally found it in a binder I forgot I had behind the bookshelf last week. Believe me I'm gonna sell it before there's another chance to get blown out.
 

aidan

Hugo Award Winning Author and Editor
Mana Drain, Necro, Channel. The face cards are there, even if it's just Eternal Masters II.

The problem is that an *actual* Iconic Masters would look like VMA, which was only released on MTGO for obvious reasons...

Sure, but this is like the exact kind of place where things like "how well do new players parse this" or "how much is this clearly and unambiguously a Magic card that couldn't possibly be anything else" can be ignored the most seriously.

Won't argue with that. :)
 

red13th

Member
I have no idea where Erwin saw Apprentice Necromancer is in IMA since it doesn't fit the crunch, could really use a pic.

EDIT: also I feel IMA is closer to Modern Masters than to Eternal Masters. The majority of rares and mythics seem to be modern legal and modern playable.
 

Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I have no idea where Erwin saw Apprentice Necromancer is in IMA since it doesn't fit the crunch, could really use a pic.

EDIT: also I feel IMA is closer to Modern Masters than to Eternal Masters. The majority of rares and mythics seem to be modern legal and modern playable.
There's like 8 of them worth more than the pack it comes in and a bunch of cards that are just EDH fodder like Avacyn.
 

Wichu

Member
Lol 32 people at FNM. I think people want fatal pushes.

I just got back from mine. We had multiplayer Commander as the FNM format. The TO didn't want to deal with organising prize packs for multiplayer, so she literally just gave everyone who turned up a Push instead of prize packs. Not sure how I feel about that considering the entry fee was the same as usual, but eh, a guaranteed Push is probably better than a chance at some packs.
 
I just got back from mine. We had multiplayer Commander as the FNM format. The TO didn't want to deal with organising prize packs for multiplayer, so she literally just gave everyone who turned up a Push instead of prize packs. Not sure how I feel about that considering the entry fee was the same as usual, but eh, a guaranteed Push is probably better than a chance at some packs.

I think that my LGS is doing the same, but I decided to stay home. They were going to draft Conspiracy. Which to be honest was up my alley, but I've been up since 5AM and the drive and entry fee... I'm thinking it's just easier to buy the promo on eBay. :\
 
There's like 8 of them worth more than the pack it comes in

By my count, with today's values, IMA includes 3 cards worth > $50 (which are also three of the ten most expensive non-reserved cards), 6 over $30, 16 over $20, and at least 23 over $10 (I probably missed some at this range.)
 

Santiako

Member
I wonder if the changes to planeswalker wording and ruling from Ixalan and the timing of this release are the reasons there's no pws in IMA.
 

traveler

Not Wario
Still no Rishadan Port huh. Well, guess that's a shoo in for 25 now.

Consecrated Sphinx and Avacyn made it in, as was expected. Hope people sold their's as they were around $25 - 30 before and will surely drop quite a bit.

I think the Unstable frames look fine and the art is fantastic, but I do prefer other frames so I won't be using them. Cool that they exist though.

And they really need to either ban or reprint Chalice. I would prefer a reprint :p
 

Rafy

Member
Personally, I love the modern minimalist frame of the un3 lands. I will definitely get a set or two of these for my decks. Do we know if we are guaranteed one per pack, or is it gonna be one out of every 4?
 

Santiako

Member
Personally, I love the modern minimalist frame of the un3 lands. I will definitely get a set or two of these for my decks. Do we know if we are guaranteed one per pack, or is it gonna be one out of every 4?

These are the only reason Un3 will sell any packs, so they'll be one per pack for sure.
 

noquarter

Member
Personally, I love the modern minimalist frame of the un3 lands. I will definitely get a set or two of these for my decks. Do we know if we are guaranteed one per pack, or is it gonna be one out of every 4?
I don't think they have confirmed, but the other two Un sets were one per pack, so would imagine it would be the same here. Helps to make sure you have some reason to sell packs, although $4 lands are kind of expensive.

Still, this will get me to get at least one box, probably two along with buying what I need to get up to 20 of each. Really hope it has some fun draft cards like Booster Tutor and Richard Garfield PhD to make a nice 24 card supplementary set for a cube (1 per cube pack), just to spice up my cube every once in awhile.
 

Justin

Member
But remember, the promo doesn't affect attendance. WOTC said so!

While its true they have more data, it would still have been nice if most promos in the past year+ were better.

On the other hand I wouldn't suggest a newbie come to this specific fnm.
 

Farside

Unconfirmed Member
I'm on the fence about Fatal Push as I don't think it's worth $9.

Also, what does the U stand for in certain decks? e.g. U/W.
 

Rafy

Member
I don't think they have confirmed, but the other two Un sets were one per pack, so would imagine it would be the same here. Helps to make sure you have some reason to sell packs, although $4 lands are kind of expensive.

Still, this will get me to get at least one box, probably two along with buying what I need to get up to 20 of each. Really hope it has some fun draft cards like Booster Tutor and Richard Garfield PhD to make a nice 24 card supplementary set for a cube (1 per cube pack), just to spice up my cube every once in awhile.

These are the only reason Un3 will sell any packs, so they'll be one per pack for sure.

Looks like I have my answer. They better make a boatload of boxes available. Only 3 or 4 sellers on MKM have them, and they are selling them for over 100 Euro, when boxes usually go for 80 shipped.

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GoutPatrol

Forgotten in his cell
Lol 32 people at FNM. I think people want fatal pushes.

Usually my store has two drafts fire over the night and standard for promos. The 2nd draft started 3 hours earlier than usual because people wanted the promo. And we had twice as many people playing standard than usual. I went 0-3 in draft but got it anyway due to luck.
 

noquarter

Member
I'm on the fence about Fatal Push as I don't think it's worth $9.

Also, what does the U stand for in certain decks? e.g. U/W.
U is Blue. W white, U blue, B black, R red, G green.

Usually you will see something like UBr, so Blue and Black are primary, red is in for just a few cards (splashed). That would now also be called Grxis. So, going through those you have:

Shards (from Shards of Alara block)
Bant (GWU)
Esper (WUB)
Grixis (UBR)
Jund (BRG)
Naya (RGW)

Wedges (the clans from Khans block)
Abzan (WBG)
Jeskai (URW)
Sultai (BGU)
Mardu (RWB)
Temur (GUR)

For two colors you will see the guilds of Ravnica used.

It is really confusing at first, but you will get used to it if you stick with the game. I still end up going by the old names once in awhile, Junk, America (at least all my RWU decks would be).

And why not:

MaRo (Mark Rosewater) in 2009 said:
Before I move on, I want to talk about blue. Us old timers might have forgotten that it's weird that U means blue, but I know it throws new players for a loop the first time they see it. So why is blue U? For the card code to work, each letter had to be unique within each designation (although it's fine for the same letter to mean something different between the first and second letter—that's why U is both blue and uncommon and R is both rare and red). Blue and black both start with a "B." This meant that one of them had to choose a new letter.

The second letter for both colors is "L". As I showed above, "L" means land. The powers that be wanted to use the first letter whenever possible, so land got to keep "L." Black's third letter is "A." A is reserved for artifacts. This meant that Blue had "U" and "E" and Black had "C" and "K." (In the early days before Wizards spelled it out, incidentally, some players used "K" for black.) Why did we end up going with U? Basically because it was earlier in it's word than Black's "C" or "K."
 

Zocano

Member
My main LGS only does random handout promos so I'm not usually peeved out about losing out. But my LGS gets ~avg attendance of like 90-100 ppl each friday so.
 
I'm on the fence about Fatal Push as I don't think it's worth $9.

Also, what does the U stand for in certain decks? e.g. U/W.

While it sucks to spend so much on an uncommon rarity card that's being opened in a standard legal set, there is a legitimate reason it costs so much.

I've even been hesitant to purchase them but only because I haven't played Modern in awhile and could afford to wait, and also because of wanting the FNM promo.
 

Ashodin

Member
Tomorrow is our weird pseudo-rotation "Game Day". We'll be playing Standard WITHOUT BFZ/OGW. Basically, SOI/EMN gets to stand on its own like it should have.

My list is tuned for that, ROBOTS COMING FOR YA

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Farside

Unconfirmed Member
Good point about price. Though, I'm not placing in the top 4 during an in-store, so I'll have to pay.

My list is tuned for that, ROBOTS COMING FOR YA

I bought a booster of Eldritch today and got Liliana, The Last Hope. Good times, as I have normally gotten foil lands as the "special" card.
 

Ashodin

Member
yeah in this thread you'll learn what Boros means REAL fast hahaha

aggro joke

Also there are some here that are diehard fans of specific color pairings and the guilds (Ravnica, a plane of guilds, each one for each color pair) as well. The clans from Tarkir (which coined the three color wedge names) also have fans, but less so.

Like for example Firemind is a huge Niv-Mizzet nerd and an Izzet (blue and red) fan.
 
I bought a booster of Eldritch today and got Liliana, The Last Hope. Good times, as I have normally gotten foil lands as the "special" card.

Are you interested in trading her? I opened one myself, but traded her off and I've been meaning to acquire her again now that she's about to rotate.
 
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