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PewDiePie calls someone a "fucking n****r" during PUBG livestream

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Scrawnton

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I'm all for freedom of speach (not hate speach, screw that) in regards to comedy/funny content, but this guy has given way too much evidence that he is a terrible person who doesn't deserve the support he gets. His brand is obvious at this point and I definitely do not like it.

I mean, this is a guy who got famous online by screaming things like rape and other obscenities in non-funny ways (to me at least). I'm not surprised he's spiraled out of control like this.
 

Clunker

Member
Totalbiscuit wants so badly to be a centrist, but now with recent events, he's finding it so hard to sit on the fence, much like Ethan from H3H3:

"I don't want to be on the alt-right and I don't want to be on the left, where it's never OK to say anything offensive. I make what I want, and sometimes my videos appeal to the alt-right, and sometimes they appeal to the social justice warrior left, or whatever you want to call it. I don't identify with either of them.

What you see in the comments is — what can you do, it's YouTube. You can't control who's there. It bothers me when I make a video making fun of feminists, then all the time I see all these alt-right comments, and it's like — I don't want to identify with them. I don't want to necessarily court these people ... It's just, what can you do? It's almost like you're suggesting that you have to choose a side, and that's something that I found really frustrating."
These kinds of fence-sitters are the worst. The bolded quote you brought up is akin to him saying "It's almost like you're suggesting that when I say something, my words have to have meaning."

Howard Zinn is right: You can't be neutral on a moving train.
 

TalonJH

Member
Good to see Angry Joe call him out. And AJ's twitter feed seems to have a fair bit of tweets/retweets calling out racism in general, which is refreshing for a gaming channel with millions of subscribers.

You'd really think more yt'ers would dislike PDP because he fucked them over by causing the "adpockalypse" and keeps trolling/spouting racism even after that, risking their livelyhood. If I had a yt channel and it was my source of income, I'd be pissed on him for that as well. But no, they want to be friends with the popular guy so can't call them out, it's weak.

When talking about social issues there has always been this strange thing where 3rd parties(moderate) blame the oppressed or the victim for pushing back when it inconveniences them. You see this in things as small as the Pepe drama. Instead of being pissed at white sepremasist for ruining something they like, they fight with the people calling out the sepremasist. When talking about police brutality, they blame the people for dividing rather than simple call for reform.
 

RionaaM

Unconfirmed Member
I'm just going to say it. I don't think using a racial slur is the same thing as being a racist. I do think that both are really awful, but also that being a racist is more awful than using a racial slur.
What's the difference? The end result is the same in either case.
 

Silvawuff

Member
Shame on PDP. Racism in any form is not okay, ever.

Has anyone noticed the irony that this shitstorm is over a game called "Firewatch?"
 

entremet

Member
Dat hard "G.E. R."

Indefensible.

Most fence sitters are guaranteed to be closeted alt right idiots.

Not necessarily. I think in order for discussions of race to improve we have to understand that there are moderate racists out there. That's what makes bigotry so hard to beat. If only caricatures are the real racists, it would be easier. But they're not.
 

Beefy

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Isn't TB from the UK ? I always though the integration of "persons of color" was more natural and less prone to problems over there. Well, at least for black and indian people. So maybe he don't see the problem because of a "cultural bias" ?.

I wish
 

Oersted

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Which is how the world works. Even if there was a video of him shooting someone he would still only be accused of murder.

No. Wrong. Thats how court trials work. This is not a court trial.

We saw him doing it.

We saw him ackknowledging that he did it.

He did it.
 
I know crucifying TB for stuff is fun past time on GAF often, but at least make it with full context and all of his tweets about this. Not just his last rant on issue.

Tweets are in order from when shit broke to now. They are also screencaps in case TB deletes any of them in future so you don't have just typed out transcripts to go by.
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The context is that literally his first thoughts were his revenue streams.

I mean... do you guys really expect every Youtuber to weigh in on this? The vast majority don't even know PDP. Just because someone is silent on an issue doesn't mean they support it, maybe they just don't feel like it involves them at all. When athletes get in trouble for drugs or violence you don't see every other athlete come out and say something about it, does that mean they are all supporting physical assault?
No. But there are a ton of Youtubers who normally are the first to call out shit on the platform - especially when it comes to copyright stuff or ads - who are happy to stay quiet or dance around the issue all day.
 
I mean... do you guys really expect every Youtuber to weigh in on this? The vast majority don't even know PDP. Just because someone is silent on an issue doesn't mean they support it, maybe they just don't feel like it involves them at all. When athletes get in trouble for drugs or violence you don't see every other athlete come out and say something about it, does that mean they are all supporting physical assault?
 
I know crucifying TB for stuff is fun past time on GAF often, but at least make it with full context and all of his tweets about this. Not just his last rant on issue.

Tweets are in order from when shit broke to now. They are also screencaps in case TB deletes any of them in future so you don't have just typed out transcripts to go by.
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How does this help? He's exclusively concerned about the ramifications for himself and most of all his money as far as I can tell.
 
I know crucifying TB for stuff is fun past time on GAF often, but at least make it with full context and all of his tweets about this. Not just his last rant on issue.

Tweets are in order from when shit broke to now. They are also screencaps in case TB deletes any of them in future so you don't have just typed out transcripts to go by.

I just went back on the main feed until I hit a different topic, they're all his own words verbatim though appreciate the time you invested to get the full account here.

Not that it changes much in my mind, his first reaction was "muh revenue streams", which says about the same as the chain I commented on. Seems to treat the whole thing as a bother over an opportunity to actually condemn something. Which, considering the amount of times he spits venom about 60FPS and other (relatively minor) game-related issues, is a tad laughable.
 
One thing TB gets wrong is that it's not a test to see if someone thinks racism is bad. It's a test to see if that person has the moral fiber and willingness to fight against racism and bigotry. And it doesn't take a whole lot of effort to unequivocally condemn it. I really don't think that is expecting too much.
 

Armaros

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I mean... do you guys really expect every Youtuber to weigh in on this? The vast majority don't even know PDP. Just because someone is silent on an issue doesn't mean they support it, maybe they just don't feel like it involves them at all. When athletes get in trouble for drugs or violence you don't see every other athlete come out and say something about it, does that mean they are all supporting physical assault?

The big YouTubers know who fucking PDP is gimme a break.

The biggest Youtuber on the planet?

They were all quick to talk about the WSJ when they did their piece on PDP spouting anti semitic things?
 

Prithee Be Careful

Industry Professional
Isn't TB from the UK ? I always though the integration of "persons of color" was more natural and less prone to problems over there. Well, at least for black and indian people. So maybe he don't see the problem because of a "cultural bias" ?


Not so much. Growing up in the rural North of England, racism rarely mirrored the ubiquitous black/white form common in America and there was perhaps only one or two black families in the whole town (only a single mixed race kid in my entire school year, who I can never really remember being maligned - not to say that it didn't happen though).

There was a lot of casual racism towards other, more visible, minorities though, mostly from countries like India, China, Pakistan, Turkey and more recently Poland. As such, n-bombs were a rare feature, but other repellent terms like 'Paki', 'Dhurka' (yes, from Team America) and 'Raghead' got plenty of traction.

I'd love to tell you that had changed immeasurably since my youth, but small towns are the same the world over...

Boogies an interesting character like most people who secretly agree with disgusting views . Anything that personally offends him like fat shaming for example he will die on a hill for rightfully so. Things that don't concern him such as race sex etc he will play the trump many sides fake centrism role. This " we have to accept others racist political views" crap should not be tolerated.

Even as a fairly staunch freedom of speech advocate (more than the majority of my peers), I'd call this nonesense. People have a right to thier views, absolutely, and to hold and express free thought intervention from the state, but no-one else is under any obligation to even listen to those opinions, let alone regard them as valid, credible or of constructive value.
 
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"Apparently people are too stupid to get the message unless you spell it out in neon"
kingarther14 - IT'S OKAY FOR PEWDIEPIE TO USE THAT BAD WORD WHY IS THIS BLOWING UP DON'T LIKE IT DON'T WATCH IT

Yes, people DON'T get the message unless you spell it out in neon. It's why for every big youtuber who doesn't call out this shit you'll have a bunch of assholes trying to normalize and excuse that behaviour with "just a word" and a bunch of kids falling for it, because as far as they see it's just 'haters hating on their youtube idol'. I don't care if you are still Pewdiepie's friend or whatever after this, but it's fucking easy to come out and say "There's no fucking excuse to use this word", no 'buts' and no 'both sides' attached and if it isn't? Well, that speaks more about you than anything.
 
Boogies an interesting character like most people who secretly agree with disgusting views . Anything that personally offends him like fat shaming for example he will die on a hill for rightfully so. Things that don't concern him such as race sex etc he will play the trump many sides fake centrism role. This " we have to accept others racist political views" crap should not be tolerated.
 

MKIL65

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I mean... do you guys really expect every Youtuber to weigh in on this? The vast majority don't even know PDP. Just because someone is silent on an issue doesn't mean they support it, maybe they just don't feel like it involves them at all. When athletes get in trouble for drugs or violence you don't see every other athlete come out and say something about it, does that mean they are all supporting physical assault?

I think we're expecting more from the prominent Youtubers.

So far, Totalbiscuit and Boogie have shown to be incompetent cowards, as always.
 
I know it's not a 1-on-1 analogy since Jim's talking about a very different set of circumtsances, but reading through the TB stuff whilst hearing Jim say:

Jim Sterling said:
...and the community at large, as committed as it is to an almost frightening strain of apathy, eventually turned on those who continued to talk about it as, if something that lasts more than a week or has more than maybe two videos highlighting it, it's officially a dead horse and you should be more angry at the messenger than the people who actually did the things.

Like I said, I know context on subject is different, but fucking wow is that apt.
 
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Åesop

Unconfirmed Member
I mean, this thread is a 100 pages long, but it cannot be said enough... You don't accidentally say the N-word if it is not already in your everyday lexicon. It just doesn't happen... EVER.

I've known a few immature highschool kids that sometimes used the N word, they were trying to be funny or cool by imitating their rap idols or whatever by using "the forbidden word", none of them I would consider to be racist nowadays, they were just stupid kids that didnt understand the weight of that word.

PDP on the other hand should have known better.. but is he really racist or just incredibly immature and stupid?
 

Armaros

Member
"Apparently people are too stupid to get the message unless you spell it out in neon"
kingarther14 - IT'S OKAY FOR PEWDIEPIE TO USE THAT BAD WORD WHY IS THIS BLOWING UP DON'T LIKE IT DON'T WATCH IT

Yes, people DON'T get the message unless you spell it out in neon. It's why for every big youtuber who doesn't call out this shit you'll have a bunch of assholes trying to normalize and excuse that behaviour with "just a word" and a bunch of kids falling for it, because as far as they see it's just 'haters hating on their youtube idol'. I don't care if you are still Pewdiepie's friend or whatever after this, but it's fucking easy to come out and say "There's no fucking excuse to use this word", no 'buts' and no 'both sides' attached and if it isn't? Well, that speaks more about you than anything.


Maybe also because they all fucking tripped over themselves to get in line to attack the WSJ the last time PDP did something and got called out on it.


None of these youtubers get any benefit of the doubt due to their past behavior.
 

Alucrid

Banned
I know crucifying TB for stuff is fun past time on GAF often, but at least make it with full context and all of his tweets about this. Not just his last rant on issue.

Tweets are in order from when shit broke to now. They are also screencaps in case TB deletes any of them in future so you don't have just typed out transcripts to go by.
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"That's pretty sad, but there comes a point where it's just not worth giving people the benefit of the doubt online anymore. Too much BS."

"Assuming someone condemns racism isn't a fucking test you get to put people through, it's a default position that should be assumed."


hmmm.
 
I know crucifying TB for stuff is fun past time on GAF often, but at least make it with full context and all of his tweets about this. Not just his last rant on issue.

Tweets are in order from when shit broke to now. They are also screencaps in case TB deletes any of them in future so you don't have just typed out transcripts to go by.
I appreciate this post. Helps to have a more full picture.
 
I honestly thought early on PDP will have crossed a line for some folk out there but seems not at all even.

Still, it's time for youtube to maybe come up with a 6 month ban at least. If a host or gamer on television says "fucking n*****" they are gone, never to return. Mel Gibson had a long hiatus. A proper apology and donation from Felix could help but looking at his channel lately, it seems like the beginning of the end.
 

Armaros

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"That's pretty sad, but there comes a point where it's just not worth giving people the benefit of the doubt online anymore. Too much BS."

"Assuming someone condemns racism isn't a fucking test you get to put people through, it's a default position that should be assumed."


hmmm.

He said that in 2017. With what is going on, and TB currently lives in the US, so he fucking knows the political climate.

What disingenuous shit.
 

Zolo

Member
"That's pretty sad, but there comes a point where it's just not worth giving people the benefit of the doubt online anymore. Too much BS."

"Assuming someone condemns racism isn't a fucking test you get to put people through, it's a default position that should be assumed."


hmmm.

Yeah. I found it interesting how he had two contrasting tweets in a short period. Especially since his tweets were good until he started making it about himself.
 
I think we're expecting more from the prominent Youtubers.

So far, Totalbiscuit and Boogie have shown to be incompetent cowards, as always.

Sure maybe the biggest Youtubers should say something, but not every single mid-range Youtuber. Like people the size of Criken or Pixelated Apollo.
 

Tecnniqe

Banned

So basically what he (pewd) said is inexcusable, DMCA should be used as shield and not a sword while they probably have the legal right to do it as there is no precedence on it and that people need to stop assuming because X didn't say anything they approve or don't give a fuck and we hate him now?
 
Åesop;248570231 said:
I've known a few immature highschool kids that sometimes used the N word, they were trying to be funny or cool by imitating their rap idols or whatever by using "the forbidden word", none of them I would consider to be racist nowadays, they were just stupid kids that didnt understand the weight of that word.

PDP on the other hand should have known better.. but is he really racist or just incredibly immature and stupid?
Stop infantilising a 27 year old man that has made his name by being one of the most globally popular presenters online. Unless you use the word often, it's impossible to just accidentally let slip "fucking n*****" as a flippant remark of frustration.

There's no need to excuse a grown man of saying abhorrent things just because he's popular. If this was a TV presenter, actor, author or otherwise they would be burned to the ground by the criticism for uttering such a remark.
 

Oersted

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One thing TB gets wrong is that it's not a test to see if someone thinks racism is bad. It's a test to see if that person has the moral fiber and willingness to fight against racism and bigotry. And it doesn't take a whole lot of effort to unequivocally condemn it. I really don't think that is expecting too much.

It is not even that. Imagine being a woman on a raid in game XYZ. Someone keeps calling you a slut, a whore etc.

Is it her job to assume you are against sexism? Or is it the job of others to actively oppose it? To show her she is welcome and sexism is not?
 

SUPGUYZ

Banned
Twitter is just disgusting right now. I'm looking at Angry Joe's tweets and seeing his fans say "it's just a word" over and over
 
"Apparently people are too stupid to get the message unless you spell it out in neon"
kingarther14 - IT'S OKAY FOR PEWDIEPIE TO USE THAT BAD WORD WHY IS THIS BLOWING UP DON'T LIKE IT DON'T WATCH IT

Yes, people DON'T get the message unless you spell it out in neon. It's why for every big youtuber who doesn't call out this shit you'll have a bunch of assholes trying to normalize and excuse that behaviour with "just a word" and a bunch of kids falling for it, because as far as they see it's just 'haters hating on their youtube idol'. I don't care if you are still Pewdiepie's friend or whatever after this, but it's fucking easy to come out and say "There's no fucking excuse to use this word", no 'buts' and no 'both sides' attached and if it isn't? Well, that speaks more about you than anything.

Saw some 14 year old girl defending pewdiepie.

She first said people calling PDP white trash are just as bad as what PDP said.

Then she tweeted that if you don't want to be indentified by your skin color don't make a big deal about your skin color.

The damage is real and influencers like TB can fight against it but apparently it's too important to "pander" towards his audience.
 
The gaming scene embraced by "teh internets" is a misogynistic, sexist, racist and flat-out hate-fueled journey if it doesn't suit their own personal narrative. The defense and justifications of such actions are so immense that instead of looking at it from other's perspective (outside the realm of "teh internets"), folks tend to go for the typical few excuses: "Everyone uses it!", "It's a French word!", "Why do black folks use it then?", "I got many black friends!", "You all are judging the word and not the frustration!", "It's just a game, man!", "He mean nigga, not nigger!", "Modern music has pussy, cunt, bitch, nigga, fuck, and more! I'm just repeating what the songs tell me!", etc.

Trying to argue this defense is exhausting because they'll throw you around in circles until you lose the meaning of the discussion and the word itself.

To PewDiePie, maybe you need to get off streaming for a few months and wipe those diet racist tears with all the Benjamins you made. You're not in it for the money, right?

To developers, stop pushing your games toward internet celebrities who don't fulfill your company's vision, mission, and agenda. Just because someone has million viewers watching your game doesn't mean you put a blind eye to a scenario. That makes you a hypocrite (or more rudely, a hoe) and makes you look like your values are no bigger than the money you indirectly worship. You're not in it for the money, right?

To everyone else, fuck off. Continue enabling these habits, continue parading gamergate, and diet racist views, and continue forgetting the history. I'm sorry I wasn't born in a place with a deep racist cultural history, but a lot of folks did, and pretending I don't know any better makes me feel ashamed for any moment I acted rudely. To everyone complaining, you have no say in this fucking manner so fuck you. This is not your platform to express how you think everyone should be able to say slurs. You weren't born with it, and you will die alone, and I hope to God the last words in your deathbed is not a racist slur. You indirectly shills and stans; you're not in it for the money, right?

To myself, I have no point to make here but to state that trolls will be trolls, and ignorant people will defend their ignorant views with anger until they get it.

Sorry, PDP; your friends, family, fans and sponsors didn't teach you manners and worldly views. You just a close-minded piece of "teh internets". Grow a pair of brain.
 

RMI

Banned
Åesop;248570231 said:
I've known a few immature highschool kids that sometimes used the N word, they were trying to be funny or cool by imitating their rap idols or whatever by using "the forbidden word", none of them I would consider to be racist nowadays, they were just stupid kids that didnt understand the weight of that word.

PDP on the other hand should have known better.. but is he really racist or just incredibly immature and stupid?

this is a weird distinction that popped up in this thread a few time. The old, "racist at heart" thing. Look if you are doing racist shit you're a racist. There doesn't need to be some line that seperates "real racists" from the "incredibly immature and stupid" racists.

When I was in highschool and into college a wave of doing things "ironically" took hold in what I still think was one of the stupidest eras of expression (for lack of a better term) among young people. This included saying a lot of racist stupid shit, "ironically." The thing is, most people who aren't complete shit lords realized very quickly that "ironic racism" is still fucking racism, and they knocked that shit off right quick. Some people didn't. I wonder why...
 
Boogies an interesting character like most people who secretly agree with disgusting views . Anything that personally offends him like fat shaming for example he will die on a hill for rightfully so. Things that don't concern him such as race sex etc he will play the trump many sides fake centrism role. This " we have to accept others racist political views" crap should not be tolerated.

I'm practically choking on his hypocrisy in this.
 
I like TB but don't be fooled by him or others. They only care about this because it can possibly fuck with their bottom line.

Unfortunately true. I don't think I've listened to a podcast of his in the last 3 months where he didn't mention "I better make some fucking money from this" or "It's not the best content but it's great for revenue!" or some other comment regarding his obsession with money. Which he constantly needs to remind people that he has with his "I've sunken thousands into multiple pay-to-win mobile games!" rants every few podcasts.

I've since unsubbed from the podcast purely for the reason that I can't shake the feeling that he's fake, which sucks because I like the other two.
 

Oersted

Member
Twitter is just disgusting right now. I'm looking at Angry Joe's tweets and seeing his fans say "it's just a word" over and over

Its interesting how racist words are just words, but criticism (=words) needs to be condemned, attacked and vilified.
 
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