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Kotaku UK publishes sympathetic TotalBiscuit piece on anniversary of GG
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August 16th, 2014 was the date the blog from Zoe Quinn's ex was posted.
GinoFelino
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Didn't you see all the celebratory tiki torches?
We can criticise an article without encouraging harassment. Please keep this 'they deserve it' bullshit to yourself.
Salty Rice
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This is baffling.
A Laura Kate Dale article. About Gamer Gate. In defense of TotalBiscuit. At this time.
WTF
A Laura Kate Dale article. About Gamer Gate. In defense of TotalBiscuit. At this time.
WTF
On August 16th, 2014, game developer Zoe Quinns ex-boyfriend Eron Gjoni published an online expose detailing their relationship called the 'Zoe Post'...
AHA-Lambda
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Yeah, I feel like I'm missing something here?
I mean, John not being transphobic doesn't erase all the shit has said or done. He doesn't get a pass for one good action.
Edit: Not being transphobic should be standard and not something that erases years of harassment and support of misogyny and alt right groups.
Calling someone out like he did is what I except from every decent person.
Edit: Not being transphobic should be standard and not something that erases years of harassment and support of misogyny and alt right groups.
Calling someone out like he did is what I except from every decent person.
Gotdatmoney
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Who encouraged harassment? He said this article doesn't fall as her fault but rather the editors. No. That's horseshit.
She wrote it. She is entirely deserving of criticism for it. As far as Twitter is concerned I had no comment on that so don't put word where there are none.
MadClacker
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He's an egotistical, smug, self important, and condescending shit stain. End of story.
RedAssedApe
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why does GG get an anniversary mention...so dumb
In the context of a piece about harassment not talking about TB's response to GG being lacking seems like bad journalism (there's only a brief bit in the copy and in TB's comments that address it in very broad terms), but there's plenty of interest in the interview itself that I think is worth highlighted and is indeed germane to online harassment.
The bit about Youtube comments:
On blocking trolls:
And on making Youtube comments better:
The bit about Youtube comments:
On blocking trolls:
And on making Youtube comments better:
Jeez, you had me scared for a bit there that Matt had turned out to be a dickhead too.
Jangowuzhere
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TB strikes me as a person who is simply a complete and total idiot. Yeah, he's obviously not an alt righter or anything like that, he's just a dumbass who rarely thinks before he acts. He may not personally harbor shitty views, but he's still a pretty crappy person and shouldn't be given this kind of podium.
Those last two tweets in the chain, lmao
If that's what you meant, that's really not what that first post comes across as. Sorry if it is.
NoblesseOblige
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Impossible. He has an IQ of 155!
Dio Brando
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even if i'm a fan of some of his content, i can totally understand and even agree to some degree. given the timing, lot of other people would've been infinitely better for an interview.
and to be clear, if im really being honest, i mainly watch the podcast because of Jesse and Dodger, and totally understand people that have problems with TB. that Hellblade shit he pulled last week was really idiotic of him.
She's knows Totalbiscuit more than we do, actually met him and talks to him on a regular basis, it is easy for us to paint a pic of TB as pure evil since we dont actually know him properly, when you get to know the person things become a lot more grey despite horrible stuff they have said/done. Also at CoxCon someone asked "Are traps gay" at one of the panels, he was attempting to be funny. Many Transgendered people were offended, TB dealt with it personally and made sure the guy was forced to apoligize or leave, the guy chose to leave.
Deeke[VRZ]
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TB wrote more content in that article than Lara did. Might as well let him pen the article.
"Paint a picture"
Stop with the vague gestures and read the fucking OP. Defend that shit.
Spyder_Monkey
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Now this is bad journalism.
TheGameshark
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TB is one of the worst gaming personalities out there.
Yup.
Gotdatmoney
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As far as Twitter harassment is concerned Twitter is a dumpster fire and I am not for hate tirades on the platform.
But to say "oh it's not her fault, its the editors that let it through" is forever a bullshit argument. You write a piece, you attach your name to it then you 100% own it. Plain and simple. Not to mention she's an editor also.
Marmaladefire
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I respect a lot of what Laura is trying to do in general, with regards to her career, but also find her to be an extremely clueless and annoying person, so I wish I could be more shocked. But I'm really not. She's not immune to criticism.
Do I think he is a horrible person? Yes, especially during GG and more recently his handling of the Jontron racism stuff.
This super evil boogeyman? No.
ElBoxyBrown
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TB wrote an essay on how the media is just as bad as Jontron being a white supremacist. He loves playing the "both sides" card.
Crimsonclaw111
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You'd think surviving cancer would make you not an asshole, but here we are.
JStein0222
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Laura is making me sick with her 'you don't have to like him to learn from him' bs. There are tons of people, way more deserving than this loser, with better ideas.
Monkeyball
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Happy gamergate errybody!
Blam
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Yeah horrible person to use as an example.
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It's absolutely fair game to discuss this article or this subject, as well as to criticize editorial decisions that led to it being published. A brief scan suggests the article is a puff piece which adds little to the conversation and certainly by failing to acknowledge the GamerGate controversy, TB's participation in call-out culture, his politics, and the question of how people with large audiences can intentionally or unintentionally direct waves of abuse towards those they attack online, the editors could have done better.
That being said, in consultation with other moderators, our sense is that both the title and framing of the original post do no favors for being able to have the conversation, in specific by calling out the editor and by arguing the "anniversary" thing (quite possibly a coincidence, even if tact might have dictated they be aware of this). If the frame is that TotalBiscuit is perceived as innocuous when in reality he is a malicious actor, and people should be aware of this, then that seems reasonable. But if the frame is that the only reason why a press outlet might cover him is because they're deliberately burying his complicity in abuse, that seems like misdirected anger and an overly zealous call to action which might itself end up directing abuse or invective towards those involved with the story. Notably, the thread does not even try to engage with the article itself or the series of pieces that led to it, instead preferring to attack the concept of the article.
I hope it should be obvious that we've tried from day one to keep our site free of GamerGate garbage. We publicly locked the initial thread about the "Zoe Post" on August 19th, 2014 making it clear that the allegations were at best an intrusive look into someone's personal life and at worst doxxing. We have a clear stance against doxxing and posting personal information, and we will never tolerate abuse or invective against people on account of their gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, or willingness to speak up about issues of representation in the industry. Locking this thread is not because we wish to exonerate participants in GamerGate, but in the interest of making it clear that if we're going to talk about these issues, we're going to do it with respect, decorum, and minimizing the chance of abuse by users, readers, or opponents of the site.
That being said, in consultation with other moderators, our sense is that both the title and framing of the original post do no favors for being able to have the conversation, in specific by calling out the editor and by arguing the "anniversary" thing (quite possibly a coincidence, even if tact might have dictated they be aware of this). If the frame is that TotalBiscuit is perceived as innocuous when in reality he is a malicious actor, and people should be aware of this, then that seems reasonable. But if the frame is that the only reason why a press outlet might cover him is because they're deliberately burying his complicity in abuse, that seems like misdirected anger and an overly zealous call to action which might itself end up directing abuse or invective towards those involved with the story. Notably, the thread does not even try to engage with the article itself or the series of pieces that led to it, instead preferring to attack the concept of the article.
I hope it should be obvious that we've tried from day one to keep our site free of GamerGate garbage. We publicly locked the initial thread about the "Zoe Post" on August 19th, 2014 making it clear that the allegations were at best an intrusive look into someone's personal life and at worst doxxing. We have a clear stance against doxxing and posting personal information, and we will never tolerate abuse or invective against people on account of their gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, or willingness to speak up about issues of representation in the industry. Locking this thread is not because we wish to exonerate participants in GamerGate, but in the interest of making it clear that if we're going to talk about these issues, we're going to do it with respect, decorum, and minimizing the chance of abuse by users, readers, or opponents of the site.
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