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Celica announced for Fire Emblem Warriors

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Moonlight

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tbh I'm not super happy with Lyn's animations. I know that it's basically impossible to adequately represent the illusion of speed that the sprites allowed, but still kinda sucks to see that the sense of overwhelming speed that her animations conveyed couldn't survive the transition. it was a huge part of what made it exciting to watch her animations in the first place.
 
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nicolasacmf said:
I dunno, if the latest two games in the franchise is all you're using as a basis when making a game that is essentially just fanservice for a franchise that is almost 30 years old, then I'd argue that you're doing it wrong. Fire Emblem has a lot more to offer than just a bunch of Fates and Awakening randos, even if they are seen as popular, and if I were KoeiTecmo I'd try to appease to fans of both classic AND modern Emblem.
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That's probably the reasoning for including people from Shadow Dragon other than Marth.

It doesn't work in English language countries though because Shadow Dragon was a very divisive game. They really should have gone for Blazing Blade instead.
 
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Draxal

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Linkstrikesback said:
That's probably the reasoning for including people from Shadow Dragon other than Marth.

It doesn't work in English language countries though because Shadow Dragon was a very divisive game. They really should have gone for Blazing Blade instead.
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Man, Shadow Dragon was such a complete disaster. PoR/RD did bad sales wise but it did very well with the fans that played those games, Shadow Dragon ... just didn't.
 
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ShadowSoldier89

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nicolasacmf said:
I dunno, if the latest two games in the franchise is all you're using as a basis when making a game that is essentially just fanservice for a franchise that is almost 30 years old, then I'd argue that you're doing it wrong. Fire Emblem has a lot more to offer than just a bunch of Fates and Awakening randos, even if they are seen as popular, and if I were KoeiTecmo I'd try to appease to fans of both classic AND modern Emblem.
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but they also said that the History mode is about delving into the stories of specific games, which benefits including more characters from less games. If this means large DLCs or sequels focusing on other games, then the decision to focus on the games that get them the most sales first was the right choice, and in the context of this mode should make for a better game overall.
 
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Linkstrikesback

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Draxal said:
Man, Shadow Dragon was such a complete disaster. PoR/RD did bad sales wise but it did very well with the fans that played those games, Shadow Dragon ... just didn't.
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I seem to remember at the time people saying it was accepted in Japan, probably because they were more used to what NES fire emblem was like.
All I can honestly remember about shadow Dragon personally is that I never bothered to finish it even once. Echoes was a much better remake, and is hopefully the sort of template we can expect in the future (even if it stuck far too closely to the original map designs).
 
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nicolasacmf

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Geminosity said:
Other titles WILL likely get rep eventually. Including shadow dragon, though they're taking their sweet time about that one :p
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Yeah yeah, I know, DLC and all that, but still, it's frustrating.

Moonlight said:
people are defending anna because anna is the only character in the series who can truly represent the entirety of it. no matter where you started (unless you somehow had the misfortune of only playing gaiden), anna is a recognizable face. that she's one of the three main characters of fire emblem heroes, the title where a massive part of the appeal lays in crossover fanservice, or that she's chosen as the face of FE's social media, is not a random coincidence. she may not have the upfront popular appeal that marth or ike or lyn enjoy, but she's a familiar and consistent element of the franchise that fans are generally happy to see included, and as closely associated with the franchise as any of them. in a game that's been heavily criticized for not being fully representative of FE as a whole you wanna get rid of the one character that does just that?

and you don't need to be 'happy' about it but you don't have to be incredulous about why people like seeing her or how she deserves to be in any more over whichever random army character you liked from a previous title. don't get me wrong either, i love tons of random army characters. the large majority of the characters i like the most are random army characters who will never actually get acknowledged outside of a game like heroes. but you can either admit that you want a roster that caters to your wants specifically and not pitch it as who actually 'deserves' to be there, because anna has around 13 games worth of reasons (edit: 14, i forgot #FE was a thing for a second. maybe i'm forgetting more, lmao).

and honestly, a character who not only has an entire history of a franchise behind her to draw from, but also already has a unique concept in a game where truly unique concepts are hard to come by, as a gold-hungry merchant, she has numerous game reasons why she'd be more introducing to include than the large majority of random units you might prefer over her.
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Whoa, slow down, having a cameo in pretty much every game doesn't mean she can "represent the entirety of it", and I do think she's a random, but I didn't mean to offend ya. And c'mon, you can't expect people to be ok with this roster if they're taking randos from Awakening and completely ignoring important characters from "series" like Jugdral or Tellius.

foxuzamaki said:
To not be ok with Anna getting in is to admit that your not much of a FE fan in the 1st place
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"No true scotsman, blah blah blah..."
 
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PsionBolt

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AlexFlame116 said:
At least the majority agree that Anna should be in the game right? She's been a series staple.
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Anna is #2 right after Marth. Like, it's super weird that she's still not in Smash. You shouldn't be able to put "Fire Emblem" and "crossover" in the same thought without including Anna.
 
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Geminosity

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Friendly reminder while we're all in the same thread that there's still more FE:W goodies to come including more characters. Next FE presentation is in 10 hours!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sSVsq_artc

ShadowSoldier89 said:
but they also said that the History mode is about delving into the stories of specific games, which benefits including more characters from less games. If this means large DLCs or sequels focusing on other games, then the decision to focus on the games that get them the most sales first was the right choice, and in the context of this mode should make for a better game overall.
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I'm really interested in seeing how history mode works considering I've heard something along the lines of it actually playing like original FE games until you start combat (aka it's all the chibi units on the grid and turn based, but when you send a unit to hit the other it drops into the musuo combat)

nicolasacmf said:
Yeah yeah, I know, DLC and all that, but still, it's frustrating.
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Oh believe me, I know how frustrating it can be. Female Corrin is the first addition to smash's roster I've actually been excited about since I started following and playing the game back on the original. Every new smash entry has just been me shaking my head wondering why sakurai hates all the characters I like :p
Key is to not let it get you too salty ;D
 
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Rmagnus

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nicolasacmf said:
Yeah yeah, I know, DLC and all that, but still, it's frustrating.



Whoa, slow down, having a cameo in pretty much every game doesn't mean she can "represent the entirety of it", and I do think she's a random, but I didn't mean to offend ya. And c'mon, you can't expect people to be ok with this roster if they're taking randos from Awakening and completely ignoring important characters from "series" like Jugdral or Tellius.



"No true scotsman, blah blah blah..."
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Actually you should slow down cos currently it's only you constantly trying to make Anna seem like a poor choice. Would you say the same thing of jack frost of smt series? Ppl have listed many reasons why Anna is a valid choice but somehow in your own mind your own reasoning is more valid despite failing to justify it.
 
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ChrisD

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Awesome! :D
Hope her English VA is the same as in Echoes!
Also really hoping for Alm, but he'd be DLC. So long as he also has the same VA, I'm totally fine waiting a bit.
 
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Moonlight

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nicolasacmf said:
Whoa, slow down, having a cameo in pretty much every game doesn't mean she can "represent the entirety of it", and I do think she's a random, but I didn't mean to offend ya. And c'mon, you can't expect people to be ok with this roster if they're taking randos from Awakening and completely ignoring important characters from "series" like Jugdral or Tellius.
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when i say that she represents the entirety of fire emblem, i do not mean she literally represents every single game's qualities, but she represents the series that is called fire emblem. i don't think i'm being obtuse about it. anna is more than lute or est or virtually any non-Lord in an FE game (and internationally I'd argue she's more recognizable than a handful of those, too) by virtue of being more well-liked and memorable than them and being more representative of the experiences of more fans. i don't really know how to further belabour this point, but when a character 'cameos' in virtually every title they gain a certain distinction above random pegasus knights or mages. rather, instead of saying 'character that just so happens to cameo in every game', it's much more convenient to say 'series fixture'.

i don't expect people to be 'ok' with the roster. i certainly have my own issues with it. but anna is the last hill to die on over this, lol.

"No true scotsman, blah blah blah..."
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this isn't really a correct application of the no true scotsman fallacy, btw.
 
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Thud

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Draxal said:
Man, Shadow Dragon was such a complete disaster. PoR/RD did bad sales wise but it did very well with the fans that played those games, Shadow Dragon ... just didn't.
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Well yeah, it was barebones remake charged with full price. The game is perfectly passable, but it lacks any kind of charm the originals had.

I also think Intelligent Systems should stop shilling Shadow Dragon. There's FE1, FE3, FE11, FE12. Then Awakening is a reboot of Shadow Dragon. Finally TMS #FE is an alternative take on Shadow Dragon.

Maybe make something new or shill something else lol.
 
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nicolasacmf

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ShadowSoldier89 said:
but they also said that the History mode is about delving into the stories of specific games, which benefits including more characters from less games. If this means large DLCs or sequels focusing on other games, then the decision to focus on the games that get them the most sales first was the right choice, and in the context of this mode should make for a better game overall.
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Yeah, I don't know, I have mixed feelings on that. I still think I'd rather have a more balanced roster (in terms of repping various games from the franchise) what you're suggesting, but I guess I'll have to look forward to DLC...

RocketDarkness said:
Do we even know if that's Awakening Anna? The beret makes her look like a new Anna.
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I wasn't referring to Anna when I said that btw, I never meant to say that this Anna is the one from Awakening.
 
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Draxal

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Linkstrikesback said:
I seem to remember at the time people saying it was accepted in Japan, probably because they were more used to what NES fire emblem was like.
All I can honestly remember about shadow Dragon personally is that I never bothered to finish it even once. Echoes was a much better remake, and is hopefully the sort of template we can expect in the future (even if it stuck far too closely to the original map designs).
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I mean I can see that, but FE3 as a game is a million more times charming than Shadow Dragon.
 
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Kevinroc

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PsionBolt said:
Anna is #2 right after Marth. Like, it's super weird that she's still not in Smash. You shouldn't be able to put "Fire Emblem" and "crossover" in the same thought without including Anna.
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Anna didn't become playable until relatively recently. Considering the already large casts that exist within Fire Emblem, I understand why Sakurai didn't prioritize Anna in favor of the lords of the series.

Edit: I hope I'm not too late in saying I'm happy that Celica was confirmed.
 
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Aostia

El Capitan Todd
So it doesn't matter if they add weapons other than swords and characters other than Awakening and Fates because we still pretends there are only sword and Awakening and Fates elements

Bah!
Can't wait for the game to arrive here
 
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ShadowSoldier89

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ChrisD said:
Nooooo, don't curse it. 😧
I have relatively high hopes that Kira will return. She isn't new to making a bunch of battle sounds (or good voicework, of course); she was 2B, after all
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Kira wasnt Celica, maybe you just got mixed up with Kyle playing Alm. Erica Lindbeck voiced celica (Futaba Sakura among many others)
 
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nicolasacmf

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Moonlight said:
when i say that she represents the entirety of fire emblem, i do not mean she literally represents every single game's qualities, but she represents the series that is called fire emblem. i don't think i'm being obtuse about it. anna is more than lute or est or virtually any non-Lord in an FE game (and internationally I'd argue she's more recognizable than a handful of those, too) by virtue of being more well-liked and memorable than them and being more representative of the experiences of more fans. i don't really know how to further belabour this point, but when a character 'cameos' in virtually every title they gain a certain distinction above random pegasus knights or mages. rather, instead of saying 'character that just so happens to cameo in every game', it's much more convenient to say 'series fixture'.

i don't expect people to be 'ok' with the roster. i certainly have my own issues with it. but anna is the last hill to die on over this, lol.
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Again, I'm, not making a huge deal over Anna being in the game (specially compared to the millions of Fates characters), but I still don't see how she's less of a random than the majority of the characters in the franchise. Fixture, mascot... whatever you want to argue she is, I don't think she fits the role. Yes, she's a tradition of the franchise, but I honestly don't see how she's all that huge.


Moonlight said:
this isn't really a correct application of the no true scotsman fallacy, btw.
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They were basically saying "you're not a real FE fan if you don't like Anna", how is it not correct?

Geminosity said:
Oh believe me, I know how frustrating it can be. Female Corrin is the first addition to smash's roster I've actually been excited about since I started following and playing the game back on the original. Every new smash entry has just been me shaking my head wondering why sakurai hates all the characters I like :p
Key is to not let it get you too salty ;D
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At least FemCorrin got an amiibo. FemRobin on the other hand... ):
 
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shiftplusone

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cool for celica, I liked her design but didnt play echoes (dont have a 3ds)

I hope this game has as much content as HW because it'll be in rotation for a LONG time if so, which is why i'm going digital on this one


Draxal said:
I think the other thing is um, remember Hyrule Warriors has a specifically unbalanced roster (it was pretty much Link and Darunia and a billion women).
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hmm You're right, Hyrule Warriors roster WAS awesome
 
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Draxal

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Really like this sshot of Celica.

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dawgparty

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Hell yeah, Celica. Glad this game is going the Hyrule Warriors route of 80% female characters, lol.

Alm would be boring as balls, I'm glad they're not wasting a spot on him.
 
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Moonlight

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nicolasacmf said:
Again, I'm, not making a huge deal over Anna being in the game (specially compared to the millions of Fates characters), but I still don't see how she's less of a random than the majority of the characters in the franchise. Fixture, mascot... whatever you want to argue she is, I don't think she fits the role. Yes, she's a tradition of the franchise, but I honestly don't see how she's all that huge.
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at this point i'm fairly certain that this is just gonna go in circles because i can't really continue to keep rephrasing the point. but, objectively, anna is a more notable character than a majority of characters in fire emblem, and objectively, she is strongly associated with the brand and one of the primary characters associated with fire emblem heroes. if you don't think this is adequate enough distinction, then there's nothing else i can say to break a deadlock on this. she has, objectively, more credentials to be present if you assess on relevance to the series and the fans.

They were basically saying "you're not a real FE fan if you don't like Anna", how is it not correct?
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'no true Scotsman' is a specific fallacy regarding moving goal-posts, it doesn't strictly apply to accusations of character. but also this isn't really important
 
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PK Gaming

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Celica's moveset is better than I thought; there's this one finisher that has her attacking with Fire, Wind and Lightning strikes and finishing it off with Seraphim. Cool shit!

Draxal said:
Really like this sshot of Celica.
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She decided to honor Alm with a brofist.
 
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mas8705

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At least it is reassuring to know that they are indeed branching out now. Lyn was the start and Celica is continuing the pattern. Hopefully this pattern will continue to some of the more "highly requested" characters.
 
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CazTGG

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I can't wait to see what stupid agreement she makes with the villains.

Giga Man said:
The highlight of that trailer

gB3KbDA.gif


Sick afterimages, yo.
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THEY DID IT! THEY ACTUALLY DID IT! I'm so thrilled that i'm ignoring that this is supposed to be the animation for her Blade Lord's critical and not base form and is nowhere near as fast as the GBA animation.
 
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