Sounds about right, but I would have thought there'd be less fps dips if it's not native.
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Witcher 3 PS4 patch 1.50 adds Pro support out now
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Sounds about right, but I would have thought there'd be less fps dips if it's not native.
The same thing could happen even if it was native
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
That's not necessarily true. Post process and anti aliasing (especially if low/medium grade FXAA is used) can make the image look much softer than the same image without any anti aliasing or MSAA etc.
Outside of Novigrad, the base model ran just as well as the Pro. Shame since the performance used to be better than that in the base model. There were a few cut-scenes that ran worse on the Pro on top of the big area. Looks like it could be a bandwidth or fillrate issue as the Pro dips when alpha textures or effects are in use. Smoke, mist, water, and trees would all be examples of this and that's where we see the system drop a bit.
dr guildo
Member
Correct.
Same
This is a great example of why I think native 4k isn't a great pursuit on consoles. These techniques will only improve with time too.
Blackthorn
"hello?" "this is vagina"
Interesting update from Digital Foundry:
This is what I expected, as AO was still evident but not as heavy as the old, fairly ugly SSAO solution.
Pretty much.
This is why anyone who says CBR is disgusting and cannot compare to the real thing, needs to understand that there are various implementations of CBR and developers are getting really good at mitigating the artifacting to a degree that it's almost not worth the performance impact to go native 4K.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
That's great, the Pro patch keeps on delivering.
+ Full 4K resolution via checker board rendering and down sampling enabled for 1080p TV owners
+ UI rendered at 4K so all text/markers look much sharper
+ HBAO over SSAO
+ Better texture filtering
+ Improved performance in CPU constrained areas over base PS4 like Novigrad
- A few more dropped frames in GPU constrained areas like the Crookback Bog
paragonpro
Banned
Checkedboard on pro means we will likely see a native patch on the one x, this is really exciting!
Wow I didn't know you could do HBAO on an AMD GPU, that's super cool. Maybe they'll get more Nvidia features on the XOX.
I wish PhysX was used more, it's so great.
PackAPunchedMick
Member
I'd rather them stuck to 4k CB and up the graphical effects.
This has proven that checkerboarding is almost indistinguishable from native when done correctly.
Bill R Boggess
Member
Booted this up last night with the patch on a 1080p TV and it looked stellar.
Also, I personally cant notice an occasional 1-2 frame drop; the game feels very, very smooth overall.
Also, I personally cant notice an occasional 1-2 frame drop; the game feels very, very smooth overall.
SkylineRKR
Member
It does look really good on Pro and my 55 KS9000. Not that its a quantum leap, but the image is way less soft than it was. This is already noticable on the title screen. It pops more. Text and UI is sharper for sure.
I really should go to Novigrad, lol.
I wonder whats in store for the One X version, HDR? Who knows. Though I kind of doubt that.
I really should go to Novigrad, lol.
I wonder whats in store for the One X version, HDR? Who knows. Though I kind of doubt that.
DAREALGUMMY
Member
I should finally jump in on this game. I have it on PC but I only have a non gaming laptop.
SkylineRKR
Member
far. You're still in the introduction region.
What? I read that it was 4k in still images and but half that during movement, which is typical of Checkerboard rendering.
here
btw i would be truly surprised if the X1X isn't doing 4K native if the performance of this patch is anything to go by.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
xion4360
Member
There doesn't seem to be much or any debate about whether or not its Native 4K. only about what techniques are being used, thats what what my statement was about.
jim2point0
Banned
Actually it was debates about it being native 4K before the testing was done by experts
xion4360
Member
There was one guy that was getting 2160P pixel counts at times but not always, but no one was ever saying yeah this looks like native 4k. Ive been here since the patch came out.
2blackcats
Member
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
To be fair, CBR does render the same amount of pixels as native 4K (from my limited knowledge), the more experienced pixel counters know the tell-tale signs of specific artifacting which comes with checker board rendering.
Rellik
Member
There was a few people thinking it was native 4K
GroinShooter
Member
As some requested here's how the game looks at PS4 equivalent settings on PC at native 4K, plus one downsampled from 4K to 1080p. Also that previously posted pier PRO shot to compare.
Settings used:
Nvidia HairWorks: Off
Number of Background Characters: Low
Shadow Quality: Medium
Terrain Quality: Medium
Water Quality: High
Grass Density: Medium
Texture Quality: High
Foliage Visibility Range: High
Detail Level: Medium
Ambient Occlusion: SSAO
All post-process effects on, except vignetting & sharpen.
And two more at 4K as links:
http://abload.de/img/tw3ltu4a.jpg
http://abload.de/img/tw3-124uku.jpg
Settings used:
Nvidia HairWorks: Off
Number of Background Characters: Low
Shadow Quality: Medium
Terrain Quality: Medium
Water Quality: High
Grass Density: Medium
Texture Quality: High
Foliage Visibility Range: High
Detail Level: Medium
Ambient Occlusion: SSAO
All post-process effects on, except vignetting & sharpen.
And two more at 4K as links:
http://abload.de/img/tw3ltu4a.jpg
http://abload.de/img/tw3-124uku.jpg
davidwhangchoi
Member
ok time to get this game on PS4 for pro.
While the PC version is objectively the best... come on. Let's not do this. This is a thread about the PC version. It's as rude and pointless as entering a Quantum Break thread to talk about how you prefer Uncharted. It contributes nothing to the discussion at hand and is only pointless complaining. Why do it? What's the point? Who benefits from your post? Do you really think you're going to convince someone in this thread to go "oh, wow, yes, I should go play it on the PC! I can't believe I bought it on the PS4 and had plans to play it here! Silly me!"
No. Of course not. You're not changing anyone's minds, especially if you're gonna be rude. So let's not.
Now you're going to have to redo all your screen caps lol
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-heres-what-the-witcher-3-looks-like-on-ps4-pro
GroinShooter
Member
No not really, those shots are for those who want to compare 100% legit 4K to what they've got on the Pro be it CB or whatever, not to compare graphics in general.
It was a joke
xion4360
Member
Yes, but only because Karspankey stated getting a native 4K pixel count and that was after a few mixed results, and that one link from offsite. Before that it was all pretty much just guessing 1440p or 1800p, CB or geometry rendering stuff like that..
Right after those 2 statements suggesting the full 4K, NX gamer put out a video suggesting checkerboarding solution.. so yeah there was barely a debate.
still id say it was a rather short one considering the patch came out with no warning, most people werent even expecting 2160cb so it turned out well.
GroinShooter
Member
The Jazz Cabbage Master
Member
Looks cleaner to me! Foliage seems meh but overall image quality is improved. Too bad I dont like the feel of controlling Gerry
Similar priced PC? Where can I get a 300 PC that runs Witcher 3 in 4K (checkerboard would suffice if available) at 30 FPS in medium to high settings?
yes, I know I took the bait...
pretty done
Member
Makes some of the other developers "Pro patches" look downright embarrassing.
This is great work by CDPR. I wish I could buy the game to support them doing good work for a small niche but I've already got it on Steam and GOG.
alexbull_uk
Member
Pretty great patch. I really should check W3 out properly at some point.
To be fair, CD took their time with this patch lol, people had been waiting for a while.
Heck, we might have not even gotten it if the XOX wasn't getting a patch.
pretty done
Member
Still we see new PS4 releases like Dragons Dogma or FFXII HD that are games from old consoles that still can't even get close to the work done here by CDPR. Incompetent devs? Lazy devs? Who knows
I'd rather wait a while for a worthwhile patch than have half-assed Pro support.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
It is very obvious that the pixel grid on a PNG screen that was provided early in the thread aligns to a native 4K pixel grid. As it should, with full res checkerboard solution. Thing is, even if you zoom in, you can't really tell if something is using CB or not, unless you have captures when things are moving around the screen, and the screens provided seemed to be taken from mostly static scenes.
thelastword
Banned
I don't know how anyone does such a list without qualifying how they got to it...
In any case, DF seem to have issues identifying differences between platforms sometimes, especially AO. I still remember Need For Speed Rivals....but it's great that they could confirm that the AO is better here...
I also said shadows and filtering was better too and DF have confirmed better filtering at least....Sorry KageMaru.
Now, those performance issues need to be sorted out. I guess they still have sometime before the XBONEX patch goes live and we need a performance mode on PRO....I think this should be standard in every pro release by now... 4k mode + downsampling and 1080p 60fps/unlocked mode, everybody would be happy with that..
partime
Member
Off topic, but I picked it up again and got through the miscarried baby battle. It was a 6 and my current level's a 4.
After many attempted I've finally beat it, but while doing so I finally FELL IN LOVE with this game.
The hair-raising music in section was just ... I can't describe how cool it was. And seeing the baby wiggle while that guy carries it.
Game never clicked with me until this update,
After many attempted I've finally beat it, but while doing so I finally FELL IN LOVE with this game.
The hair-raising music in section was just ... I can't describe how cool it was. And seeing the baby wiggle while that guy carries it.
Game never clicked with me until this update,
Md Ray
Member
Wow I didn't know you could do HBAO on an AMD GPU, that's super cool. Maybe they'll get more Nvidia features on the XOX.
I wish PhysX was used more, it's so great.
PhysX is used in Witcher 3 on PS4, XB1 and PC according to Nvidia. It's used for clothes and destruction effects. I believe it runs on the CPU on both consoles.
Are they sure it's HBAO and not HBAO+?