mrmickfran
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Yeah, I agree with Kaede's execution being the worst. Asphyxiation seems like a terrible way to go.
And the worst part? IT WAS ALL FOR NOTHING
And the worst part? IT WAS ALL FOR NOTHING
Yeah, I agree with Kaede's execution being the worst. Asphyxiation seems like a terrible way to go.
And the worst part? IT WAS ALL FOR NOTHING
The problem is that how would he trust anyone when one of them is the mastermind?Kokichi was basically similar to Nagito but not actually evil by any means. He wasn't a Remnant and was playing it off for laughs. He pretty much explains why he lies and was making up stuff during his whole scene with Kaito in the hangar. He thought his method was the only way to destroy the killing game. But because he kept his plans to himself, it fucked it up for everyone else.
Also, his nightmare faces creeped me the fuck out.
So now that its been a day was Kokichi going against the mastermind all planned or was that off scripted? Also why was Kokichi as evil as he was when apparently he was just the leader of a harmless group of individuals? Also I really wish we got to see everyones audition tapes. It was funny seeing that Kaito was willing to kill for fame and money and Kaede was the complete opposite of her character who was so easy to trust and work together. As for the executions I'm glad they were darker this time around. Really put some weight behind their deaths. Past executions were for the most part too cartoony. Made their death almost comical.
The problem is that how would he trust anyone when one of them is the mastermind?
I think that was the reason he kidnapped Kaito. He knew he wouldn't be the mastermind somehow and already planned to do the unknown culprit trick. Maki shoting him was a problem because he needed to rush it.Indeed, he was focused on trying to screw over the real mastermind and ignoring potential allies with his plan.
I think that was the reason he kidnapped Kaito. He knew he wouldn't be the mastermind somehow and already planned to do the unknown culprit trick. Maki shoting him was a problem because he needed to rush it.
Kokichi wasn't really evil. The worst thing he did was manipulate Gonta into killing Miu, but even that can be argued as self preservation since Miu was planning to kill him. Kokichi spent most of the game goofing around.
I'm not really sure why the writers created a character like Kokichi in the first place. The in-universe writers I mean. He was obviously going to do everything he could to screw up their game. It just seems like they created a big headache for themselves.
The thing is that he didn't have to kill Miu. He could have easily told everyone what Miu was up to and stopped her without having to kill her. He clearly knew what she was plotting before hand. He also willingly sacrificed Gonta in the process. I mean he even said it himself that Gonta would have easily been found out had he not forgotten what happened thanks to the VR cable mix up. He spent the whole game screwing people over and enjoying their misery. Now you can argue that was just all for show but really there wasn't any proof of that either.
It was a way for Kokichi to determine how much of an effect the truth of the outside world would have on other people. If it's enough to get Gonta of all people to kill someone, then he needed to act in a more drastic manner in order for the killings to stop. Remember, he did tell Gonta Miu was trying to kill him. If Gonta just stuck with Kokichi during the meeting instead of hiding out, Miu wouldn'tve been able to do shit.
The biggest waste was Chapter 3. People had motives to kill Angie during that whole cult arc but they wasted it on Kirekiyo accidently killing her. Tenko's death was also quite a waste as well. Killing for his "Sister" was just such a dumb thing from out of the blue. Kirekiyo was interesting without that revelation. Felt like they couldn't come up with a better motive. It was probably the only chapter I didn't like because of that.
If Kiyo stopped his plans to commit a murder using the seesaw trick after killing Angie, would there have even been any evidence found that would link him to Angie's murder? Shuichi was able to deduce that Angie was murdered outside her lab because of the dried blood he discovered under the floorboard.
But... he would've never reached that conclusion if he was never prompted to search the empty rooms in the first place. The assumption for the majority of the trial was that Angie was killed in her lab.
It's kinda ironic that the simple, unplanned murder was probably the easiest to get away with. I don't know why the murderers in this series keep using such complicated set-ups that always lead back to them once people figure them out instead of using simple methods that literally anyone can do.
The biggest waste was Chapter 3. People had motives to kill Angie during that whole cult arc but they wasted it on Kirekiyo accidently killing her. Tenko's death was also quite a waste as well. Killing for his "Sister" was just such a dumb thing from out of the blue. Kirekiyo was interesting without that revelation. Felt like they couldn't come up with a better motive. It was probably the only chapter I didn't like because of that.
Chapter 3 was definitely the worst and most frustrating chapter in the game. Kiyo deserved better than to devolve into a generic psycho killer. Angie deserved better than to die out of happenstance. Tenko especially deserved better than to die and "inspire" Himiko to get her shit together.
I really think it would have been great if Tenko survived. Like her realizing her that her man-hating and tendencies and homosexuality were fabricated could have been damn interesting.
I think it's all but guaranteed that the series is gonna continue in "the real world" since there's two directions you could go I think.
1. Have it be about the events that happened in that world that influence Danganronpa as was hinted at in the epilogue.
2. Have realistic scenarios related to Danganronpa after the series has ended, the easy bet would be having someone trying to do a real life killing game or mimicking Danganronpa deaths/executions.
Either way, it would be a big gamble since it means grounding the series in reality, you could still have eccentric characters and some far fetched stuff, but it would never get to be as zany as Dangan could be before.
Also, I'd love to see them do what people want from Persona and diversify the cast beyond just teenagers, but I have a feeling they'll stick with teens since they're easier to make likable and marketable.
Let's go in the opposite direction. Danganronpa All-Stars! Byakuya, Kirigiri, Nagito, Gundam, Kokichi, Kaede and others all finally in the same killing game!Guys you do realize they don't have to pick up on any threads at all? The Next DR could be a new continuity and new cast just like this one was.
Let's go in the opposite direction. Danganronpa All-Stars! Byakuya, Kirigiri, Nagito, Gundam, Kokichi, Kaede and others all finally in the same killing game!
Danganronpa V3.
Does not.
Dismiss the first two games as fictional.
It does and it doesn't. It does count them along all the other fictional 50 games, but at the end it does tease that the first two games were actually real in universe. They were deliberately unclear in that regard in my opinion.
Also...I really, really expected there to be a "ULTIMATE LIAR" reveal for Omi near the end.
Even with all the insanity in the final class trial, I really hope they step it up with the kills in the next game.
I'd be cool if they ended the series with this. Going back and making another one after going meta like this would be weird. It'd be like if they made another Jump Street movie after 22 Jump Street mocked the idea of doing the same thing over and over again with multiple sequels.
Danganronpa V3.
Does not.
Dismiss the first two games as fictional.
I'd be cool if they ended the series with this. Going back and making another one after going meta like this would be weird. It'd be like if they made another Jump Street movie after 22 Jump Street mocked the idea of doing the same thing over and over again with multiple sequels.
I already dismissed the first two games in my mind after D3, so...
Not really, but I actually prefer V3's take on them. It makes the whole story of Junko, the biggest, most awful blah blah and their contrivances more easier to digest. Danganronpa was never good when It came to fill up the gaps in my opinon, until V3 came out and added another possible perspective on this universe.
The epilogue already made it weird, so whatever.
And then her body was crushed by spikes. I'm glad you guys agreed. The image of her being strangled still haunts me.
I kinda hated that they included the Monokubs in every punishment too. Totally ruined some of impact by it.
How so? The whole theme of the game was truths vs lies, so it made sense that Shuichi would question everything Tsumugi said.
it didn't need to have a fakeout of who the MC was
I thought your point was that the ending of the game admonishes the idea of sequelitis.
The fact that the epilogue of the game kept the three survivors alive and that it ends on a "I wonder what's in store for us next!" conceit is pretty much the opposite of that point. Then there's the fact that a major factor in V3's ending is that the characters are fighting both against Despair and Hope by fighting the game itself. But then the epilogue ends on what is very clearly "Hope." The epilogue contradicts any moral its ending wanted to achieve.
I thought your point was that the ending of the game admonishes the idea of sequelitis.
The fact that the epilogue of the game kept the three survivors alive and that it ends on a "I wonder what's in store for us next!" conceit is pretty much the opposite of that point. Then there's the fact that a major factor in V3's ending is that the characters are fighting both against Despair and Hope by fighting the game itself. But then the epilogue ends on what is very clearly "Hope." The epilogue contradicts any moral its ending wanted to achieve.
I don't think the epilogue contradicts the ending though. I think Kodata just wanted an ambiguous ending. Yeah, there are 3 survivors and they still think that some of what Tsumugi said was a lie, but they're going to find out for themselves whenever that was true or not. Just for the "camera" to zoom out to show that the dome they were held captive in has Team Danganronpa's logo all over it, showing that Tsumugi wasn't lying about everything. Leaves the series on not a hopeful note, but an ambiguous note, which I think was a good way to end the series. Leaves the audience to try to come up with their own answers, and a sequel to this would just ruin that.
Killing a female character is absolutely fine. This is a murder mystery it's going to happen. But killing a female lead to replace it with a male lead who gets the lions share of the focus and attention is just bad IMO. Add in how it's revealed that the mastermind cheated to kill her and how cruel her death was its really not a good look.
DR1, DR2, and DR:AE all had endings of a similar nature: the world is (maybe) fucked, and we don't know our place in it, but we'll find out how things are for ourselves and make the best out of it. This is exactly the template they followed for the V3 ending. That is what hope is.