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Ex-Green Beret Nate Boyer writes open letter to Trump, Kaepernick, NFL and America
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TangoAlphaLima
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Kneeling in silence is the most peaceful protest you can do, but ti was met with
Yeah, that was some outrageous shit right there. Then the asshole claimed he didn't specifically lay them out like that to make a message.
TheRedSnifit
Member
FIFY.
The Jackdog
Member
thats the point. one of those sides isnt exaggerated.
one is saying sometimes cops fuck up it happens we just want accountability and consequences
the other is just NANANANANA NO THEY FUCKING DONT, EVER
what is exaggerated about stop killing unarmed people? vs people having every excuse in the world as to why an unarmed man, and or people who may have been accused of petty things to die. When literally you have tons of examples of safe apprehension for anyone other than a person of color.
Christ.
RustyNails
Member
And says that Trump's nonsense is on equal footing and both sides need to come together.
DAMNIT! WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH ME?!?!
old manatee
Banned
Sure, let's just wait for Donald Trump to sit down with Colin Kaepernick, and also for him to not do or say something insulting or outright racist in that sit-down to make the situation 10 times more contentious.
perfectchaos007
Member
Let me just say the blanket statements need to stop. Saying all police are bad and complicit, all republicans are nazi's/white supremacists etc.
This is what drives the non-racist, anti police brutality republicans nuts.
boiled goose
good with gravy
The funny thing is that Colin K already compromised!!
Started kneeling instead of sitting and right wingers and racists still triggered.
If a white players knelt because of some Christian reason he'd be glorified
So what?
They get slightly annoyed by hyperbole and because of that they will suddenly not give a fuck about police brutality? Or they will get pushed away towards Nazism?
It's typical not listening to an argument and shifting conversation by playing victim.
When people do this they never gave a fuck in the first place
Started kneeling instead of sitting and right wingers and racists still triggered.
If a white players knelt because of some Christian reason he'd be glorified
So what?
They get slightly annoyed by hyperbole and because of that they will suddenly not give a fuck about police brutality? Or they will get pushed away towards Nazism?
It's typical not listening to an argument and shifting conversation by playing victim.
When people do this they never gave a fuck in the first place
Fourmyle of Ceres
Member
100% how the rest of the world feels
100%
LegendofJoe
Member
Donald Trump isn't uniting a damn thing. The sooner conservatives figure that out and stop supporting unabashed partisanship the sooner we can actually do something to address the real problems facing us.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
He is right about the American obsession with "winning" and "victory or death" having seeped deeply into the American psychology to the point that the concept of dialog is almost completely corrupted for many, perhaps even most, Americans.
However, the problem here is that for one of the "sides" in America this isn't a bug, it's a feature. You can't strive to recover a lost sense of "good faith" with people who see good faith as weakness. Who desire an authoritarian society where one group (theirs) has crushed all opposition.
However, the problem here is that for one of the "sides" in America this isn't a bug, it's a feature. You can't strive to recover a lost sense of "good faith" with people who see good faith as weakness. Who desire an authoritarian society where one group (theirs) has crushed all opposition.
Mammoth Jones
Member
I mean Kaepernick said it himself:
What oppression that Kaepernick is attempting to voice concerns about do you feel is hyperbolic and exaggerated?
I agree nuance is required. What would you call cops that see police brutality but keep their mouths shut about it. Refuse to speak out about it. Value their own employment over the murder of other human beings? It's called a blue wall. Until the police decide to crack it themselves in order to remove the rot they are complicit. Sorry if I chose a side.
Republicans aren't Nazi's or White Supremacists. It's just too many of them are completelly indifferent about them.
So you got nothing?
Examples of these republicans ? Cause I am pretty sure we would have heard if this was a thing.
Dude Abides
Banned
Trump prefers war heroes who weren't walk-ons.
ProfessorLobo
Banned
Kaepernick met in the middle with you Nate and got shat on for it. I'm done with changing hearts and minds or whatever. All I hope for now is that trump fucks up enough to make Republicans a permanent minority.
schwabdizzle
Banned
I agree with this.
SixMachine
Member
Once physicists figure out how to make Schrodinger's cat a reality.
1 - Name one republican congressperson that isn't complicit in supporting white supremacy.
2 - This protest literally has to do with racially motivated police brutality. Stop fucking deflecting.
Kojirospath
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I think it's pretty obvious that Boyer is a well-meaning Republican whose good intentions are drowning in a sea of ignorance born of a lifetime spent in a conservative cultural bubble. He needs to do a lot more research on this topic if he wants to discuss it with any authority. This is about people's lives. He doesn't get it.
The problem is the other side thinks you're delusional, that police brutality isnt even a problem in the first place. That Kap's narrative is not supported by evidence. That it's all political. Believe my I argue with my family about this day in and day out.
So being called names matters more than the lives lost by their inaction? And i should work with such selfish people because. . .?
But it's a lie. An outright proven lie.
Kaepernick meets with this guy. They talk. They find common ground. He kneels instead of sitting.
Now the same guy wants Kaepernick to talk to Trump and find common ground and unite?
Kaepernick already budged. He already gave ground and moved toward the other side. So screw expecting Kaepernick to meet with the President and talk.
Now the same guy wants Kaepernick to talk to Trump and find common ground and unite?
Kaepernick already budged. He already gave ground and moved toward the other side. So screw expecting Kaepernick to meet with the President and talk.
Pretty much.
Some bullshit persecution complex going on. Don't support or be conspicuously silent about the blatant racism in the country and maybe people won't have an issue with you.
DrROBschiz
Member
Trump isn't going to sit down and talk with or listen to anyone
Ill welcome anyone thats actually reasonable to take up that position though
Ill welcome anyone thats actually reasonable to take up that position though
Chmpocalypse
Blizzard
"both sides"
Nice sentiment, but it doesn't work when so many on the other 'side' are racist, mysoginistic, homophobic, lying callous fools who wants to strip away other's rights.
Nice sentiment, but it doesn't work when so many on the other 'side' are racist, mysoginistic, homophobic, lying callous fools who wants to strip away other's rights.
trump already called him a "son of a bitch".
boiled goose
good with gravy
Like I said one side is delusional.
We live in a shared reality with objective facts.
Sorry to hear your family is full of delusional racists. That's the only way you can believe unarmed black men being shot is justified. They either deserved it or police were justified in murder because black people are dangerous.
It also gives the impression the president doesn't like this because of the military and such. Trump rails against this because he's racist and panders to his racist base.
getting tired of all this unity bullshit
yes there is a line drawn in the sand
yes if you are on a certain side of it you are wrong and probably a fuck head
no the other side does not need to compromise
there is no joining in the middle. equality for all is not something to compromise on even if there is a group of people against it.
this fucking fallacy that because two sides exist the solution is compromise
no
yes there is a line drawn in the sand
yes if you are on a certain side of it you are wrong and probably a fuck head
no the other side does not need to compromise
there is no joining in the middle. equality for all is not something to compromise on even if there is a group of people against it.
this fucking fallacy that because two sides exist the solution is compromise
no
OrbitalBeard
Member
I love the intent of this letter and I would absolutely agree with the point it's trying to make.
But our president is Donald Trump. He has poisoned the well of rational discourse.
But our president is Donald Trump. He has poisoned the well of rational discourse.
boiled goose
good with gravy
Trump should in no way be compared to Kaepernick here. Trump is the President, his job is to unite the country. He is failing about as much as you could at that task. Trump basically called him and everyone else kneeling a son of a bitch. Those are not the words of someone that has any interesting into getting to the bottom of how to fix the issue that the players are kneeling for.
Any letter that doesn't put a majority of the blame on the President for this one isn't a letter I can get behind.
Any letter that doesn't put a majority of the blame on the President for this one isn't a letter I can get behind.
schwabdizzle
Banned
Are they supporting white supremacy or freedom of speech is the question? Hate speech is not ok and freedom is speech is, but unfortunatly they share a grey line and there is not law saying hate speech is illeagal in the US as of yet, at least that I know of. I also understand why Kaepernick takes a knee. This topic has been in your face to the general public for weeks now.
It's not just my family though. It's a large swath of this country. My family is from a deep blue state. They aren't typical ignorant uneducated rednecks. I mean yea I think they are racist too but they kind of don't fit the profile of a typical Trump supporter.
But they are white and privileged so I guess they got that going for them. But don't even broach that topic with them because they will treat you with nothing but contempt and ridicule
LegendofJoe
Member
Exactly, the next move is all Trump's. But good luck waiting for him to show humility by apologizing to Kaepernick for calling him a SOB and sitting down to discuss their differences. You'll be waiting till the day Trump dies.
(Reads heartfelt letter about unity and trying to heal our nation)
You guys just as badly entrenched as those guys on r/the_donald. You don't get called out because you are on this side of the argument, but this attitude doesn't do jack shit to actually bridge the divide in our nation.
It is like looking at the mirror universe of an old person facebook feed. Just replace old person moral superiority with young person unyielding righteousness. I'm not saying that you aren't entitled to feel the way you do, I'm just saying it isn't fixing anything.
We will all be lowered into our graves feeling great about how principled we were.
You guys just as badly entrenched as those guys on r/the_donald. You don't get called out because you are on this side of the argument, but this attitude doesn't do jack shit to actually bridge the divide in our nation.
It is like looking at the mirror universe of an old person facebook feed. Just replace old person moral superiority with young person unyielding righteousness. I'm not saying that you aren't entitled to feel the way you do, I'm just saying it isn't fixing anything.
We will all be lowered into our graves feeling great about how principled we were.
America has a long history of compromise and finding the middle ground. Just look at the Declaration of Some Independence, If That Is OK With His Highness The King:
When in the course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with one another, they should take a step back and consider the other side's feelings, too. Taxes aren't really that bad, and we probably shouldn't have disrespected the British troops by throwing all that tea away. There is a time and a place for proper protest after all.
We hold these truths to be self evident, as long as everyone agree to them, that all men are created equal, that there are good people on both sides, nice people, endowed by their creator* (the Christian capital G god, of course) with certain rights which are alienable under the right circumstances. Also corporations should be people too, best not to leave them out.
When in the course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with one another, they should take a step back and consider the other side's feelings, too. Taxes aren't really that bad, and we probably shouldn't have disrespected the British troops by throwing all that tea away. There is a time and a place for proper protest after all.
We hold these truths to be self evident, as long as everyone agree to them, that all men are created equal, that there are good people on both sides, nice people, endowed by their creator* (the Christian capital G god, of course) with certain rights which are alienable under the right circumstances. Also corporations should be people too, best not to leave them out.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
That was always projection.
Conservatives have always been the whiniest bunch of losers out there. "Oh no! The world is changing, black people are doing marginally better! I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!"
*Nods*