Duxxy3
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it's not coming back
If it doesn't outsell GT6, it's going back.
76 is a bad look for Sony's premiere title.
it's not coming back
Just to clarify something: Forza and GT aren't sims.
As I say, I find moaning about Jeff being jaded or that he just doesn't like sim racers to be reductionary excuse making.
Back to 76... That 10 didn't helped. Please PD go back to GT3 formula.
If it does, they will probably end the franchise and move on.Is it bad to say I hope it goes even lower? For me its not the direction I wanted the series to go. So as bad as it sounds I hope scroes are low and sales are hit to make them rethink their strategy going forward
Well the 10 did help until another lower review came in. Might as well not bother with MC scores until the end of the week because it's going to keep going up and down, as the reviews slowly come out.
Polyphony being closed because of this...damn i could have never imagined that kind of thing, but i would not put it passed current Sony at all.
There's no excuse being made.
Jeff Gertsmann is not a natural fan of sim racing games. Forza Motorsport 3 and 4 are the exception to that rule. They do not disprove the rule. There were a couple of Forza Motorsport games that were accessible enough, and content packed enough, that he absolutely loved them. He has liked a few sim racers, but not for their sim racing qualities, instead for their RPG qualities. This is incredibly clear if you listen to him talk about racing games.
Jeff was never likely to like Gran Turismo Sport as it shifts more towards a pure racing game and further away from the RPG driving game that he desires. That doesn't mean his impressions aren't interesting or relevant but it is incredibly important context and it is worth pointing out when so many people are acting as if the Quick Look is gospel. Obviously, ideally, Gran Turismo Sport would be all things to all people, but to act as if Jeff not liking it is somehow damning is ridiculous - he doesn't like the vast majority of games in this subgenre.
If it doesn't outsell GT6, it's going back.
How did you get there! Reviewer don't always get it right.
case in point https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLLFT2NPXRk
Not as long as they don´t replace Kaz.
Long overdue IMO.
It's probably the same people who trusted Halo Master Chief reviews.Why are people already claiming GTS dead body?
Do most review threads end up tracking the maths of the scores as they get released?
Polyphony being closed because of this...damn i could have never imagined that kind of thing, but i would not put it passed current Sony at all.
It's probably the same people who trusted Halo Master Chief reviews.
Reviews in general are a complete joke and reviews for sim racing games are that much more meaningless.
How did you get there! Reviewer don't always get it right.
case in point https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLLFT2NPXRk
that's like asking for kojima to be taken off of metal gear
This thread has officially cut all ties to logic and reason.
Score on MC will only go down from here. I expect it to finish low 70s
Is it bad to say I hope it goes even lower? For me its not the direction I wanted the series to go. So as bad as it sounds I hope scroes are low and sales are hit to make them rethink their strategy going forward
GTS is not a sim racer.
How can you be sure??? The game is already having a bad reception from the critics and is not casual friendly. If the game don't meet the Sony expectations they are going back to the numbers, thats for sure.it's not coming back
I agree with a lot of what you're saying. I do think Jeff represents are larger part of the Gran Turismo fan base who Sport might not necessarily be for.
GTS is not a sim racer.
its not far fetched. Seems like Miyamoto has taken a graceful exit from Mario and Zelda series.that's like asking for kojima to be taken off of metal gear
Especially with such robust online features like a ranking system.
Like seriously this is what people were complaining about GT for so long, it's stale and just a collectathon and you can just repeat same races over and over again.
Now it's focused and about the core racing experience and has a killer online mode. Like that is the series moving forward and I don't think that is being counted for enough.
It is being judged based on past standards on what racing games were about. In 6th and 7th gen it was exclusively about 1) graphics 2) driving model 3) damage model if any 4) how many cars and tracks.
That's OK for last gen and previous generation when SP essentially exclusively with tack on MP was the only viable way to make a racing game.
Now it is not that way, GT Sport is meant to be the future of racing acknowledging the new paradigm of connectivity and the new presence of persistent online personas.
This is the appropriate game and service model for what GT is meant to be in this era.
If you want to play collectathon games go play GT4 or GT6. If you want the best of what can be delivered now in a racing game which is excellent online service with a ranking system, amazing driving modelling, and fantastic racing cars, get GT Sport.
The only thing I would probably agree with is that the game is content light in terms of tracks and weather options. Everything else I think is just unfitting for the times as far as criticisms. This is what racers need to be and become now.
If it doesn't meet their expectations, they can also end the franchise.How can you be sure??? The game is already having a bad reception from the critics and is not casual friendly. If the game don't meet the Sony expectations they are going back to the numbers, thats for sure.
Oh and Re the track issues for racers, if you're making games with the same tracks every single year, it's not out of the realm of possibility to you know...make one up.
Racing games used to do that from time to time.
We´re on track for a pretty tame review thread
Sigh.......
Is it attempting to simulate real life cars? If it is its a sim. It might not be the most in-depth or accurate on but lets not act like its NFS.
The sim racing community is so up its own ass sometimes.
Also, I hope you were sarcastic about legal actions.
I wish.
Apologies, I was only going by others impressions. Some seemed to be suggesting it wasn't a true sim.
Anyway, doesn't change the fact that suggesting reviews for sim racers are less reliable than those for other genres is total nonsense, which is what I was responding to.
But an awful lot of people don't like sim racers (whatever games are included in that definition)... So do you score your review for the masses? Or score it relative to other sim racers, I. E. Only score it for the people who are interested? That's one of the base questions/problems for reviews in general.
Apologies, I was only going by others impressions. Some seemed to be suggesting it wasn't a true sim.
Anyway, doesn't change the fact that suggesting reviews for sim racers are less reliable than those for other genres is total nonsense, which is what I was responding to.
But an awful lot of people don't like sim racers (whatever games are included in that definition)... So do you score your review for the masses? Or score it relative to other sim racers, I. E. Only score it for the people who are interested? That's one of the base questions/problems for reviews in general.
Games Reactor Denmark: "Gran Turismo is no longer the superstar it once was, as we are no longer impressed by tons of cars and lovely polygons, just like most of us no longer think poodle-hair and Def Leppard are hot stuff. The world is a different place today, as is the racing genre, but Gran Turismo remains stuck in the past."
Hopefully these reviews are a wake up call to Polyphony and Sony to make some real changes to this series.
This is what everyone said about gt6, and that it needs to modernize. PD still missed the boat on AI, and damage model (but still better or par with competition), but totally reformed the online game. Gt6 had everything and that wasn't good enough. Only thing left to do is make the series more casual I guess?
This is why we can't have good things. The series is finally evolving, Sport is on it's way to be the best GT since GT 3, and now the game is getting panned for something that it didn't want to be from the beginning. And people are moaning about career mode which was never that good. I get the content complaints, but we are eventually going to get all those cars and tracks. And the goddamned singleplayer races btw. PD is slow in terms of making content and they should do something about that, but they always deliver a great product.
To be fair, GT6 just brought forward a lot of nagging issues that plagued the series since the beginning and missed out on doing features that were prevalent in many racers at the time. PD had plenty of time since 3 to modernize but remained static in the face of new games pushing new features.
Man, this "is it sim"-talk...
You can make good arguments for GTS not being a sim, but you need to define criteria for "sim" first.
This is why we can't have good things. The series is finally evolving, Sport is on it's way to be the best GT since GT 3, and now the game is getting panned for something that it didn't want to be from the beginning. And people are moaning about career mode which was never that good. I get the content complaints, but we are eventually going to get all those cars and tracks. And the goddamned singleplayer races btw. PD is slow in terms of making content and they should do something about that, but they always deliver a great product.