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[Gaf-Didact]

This is something new?

Ultimately it's words against words.

We do know evilore backed off, there was no rape or anything sinister, just 2 drunken adults.

Don't get this uproar...i mean if evilore was involved in Amirox kinda of crap, i definitely support the boycott.

I agree with this. I know a lot of folks these days so not want to question the victim or the victims actions that may or may not have led to this. The problem I have is this isn't really victim bashing is it? How many guys out there go up to a girls hotel room smashed without any expectations? Let's be honest, how many girls are allowing you into the room not knowing what that setting implies. Now, if any action takes place where it is not concentual I can understand that. I dont know the timeline but most likely there was a period of time before she got sick that they were in the room just smashed. Did she throw signals? We dont know.

I guess my problem is we can't even ask questions about it. For example, I have a daughter and if she told me this story my first instinct would be to go after the guy.

but...

My second instinct would be to ask her what she was thinking and how much worse this could have been. The only reason I believe that he might have gotten the green light is because she did sleep with him later. Everyone saying that has no bearing is wrong because the issue of why he jumped in the shower is the real issue in the first place. Thats all he did, he got in the shower. Was it wrong? It depends, maybe she was down with him but then got sick. Did he know she was sick?

Her statement says they continued the friendship and even had a pysical relationship for awhile until a falling out.

I wish Evilore would have just made a simple statement based on the facts without the insults but that one line of her statement sort of matches up with what he was saying.

 

[KahooTs]

Did you know that piece of living shit Amirox scammed a bunch of good-faith people who donated money to him? Of course, management knew about it and there were zero motherfucking consequences for that (the little fucker continued being a regular user here). How does that fly under the radar of the site owner?

If you didn't know about this, I wouldn't blame you, as threads were nuked from the forum and people couldn't complain about it, as they risked getting banned.

The my mum is sick send me money stuff then weeks/months or whatever it was later he's going on benders?

 

[Tonedeff]

No, never did I insinuate what he did was right, and what you're doing is the problem here -escalating the discourse from creepy behaviour to serious and despicable acts like rape. Don't you think you are going over the top?

Do you not see the absurdity and irrationality of such a reaction when discussing the private lives of two former lovers, with one person's words against the others, taking into consideration this context and the actual act itself?

Lol Get the twist out of your panties dude. I was attempting to suss out your beliefs. Hence the use of the word..."hypothetically".

 

[BlitzerRadic]

Even without this latest incident, there is a history that can't be ignored

But lots of people did in fact ignore it though.

Its hard for me to take anyone seriously who knew about the past incidents, yet continued to stay. If you knew of the incidents in the past and continued to stay, then apparently it wasn't a big deal to you. But to turn around now and start wagging fingers for shit that happened that you gave a EL a pass on the first time around, well that's pretty duplicitous imo.

 

[John Wick]

It's fun to see the piles of GG people coming out of the woodwork to celebrate the removal of Off Topic.

"Let's just have fun with video games" has always been a rallying cry to remove/ignore marginalized people and issues, and now it's become GAF's policy.

I'm thankful that GAF came back, though, because it gives me an opportunity to properly log off and never come back.

Let me show you the door 👉

 

[SamuelSupreme]

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[Curufinwe]

Well yeah, i agree with you in that part, no one should stay quiet due to fear of consequences in sharing experiences that where distressing for them in any kind of way (sexual or otherwise) and they should come forward .

Nevertheless , again, i don't think this shower situation fits in that and painting it as sexual misconduct is incorrect and (maybe) malicious under the #metoo , that's an opinion , not an imposition.

I'm actually really curious, how you would personally handle being in a similar situation?

As in, one of your Ex's (assuming, you have ex's) tells "privately" one awfully , awkward and cringy story about one stupid thing you did in the past, before your relationship with her started and where you stupidly misread all the signs in that stage of your relationship and you "went for it"?

Keep in mind that it can be any type of allegation. From insinuations to a failed attempt of a kiss to stupidly and drunkenly thinking you were invited to a shower when you were not and left. then she includes your name under the #metoo tag provoking a huge shitstorm for you, loosing your job, loosing your friends, income, and then you become the devil publicly.

What would you do, how you will handle it? (better than EL i'm sure) but you will be surprised? hurt? angry? Confused? what steps you will take?

And this question is open to anyone who wants to answer it too. Just keep in mind the scenario in giving.

Lots of those types of stories are bound to start coming out about people in the the gaming industry. It will be interesting to see the responses when the stories are about public figures from other websites, developers and executives.

 

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[Fercho]

Lots of those types of stories are bound to start coming out about people in the the gaming industry. It will be interesting to see the responses when the stories are about public figures from other websites, developers and executives.

Well maybe. I was expecting a reply from the other user, but he never came back.

 

[Monkfish]

But lots of people did in fact ignore it though.

Its hard for me to take anyone seriously who knew about the past incidents, yet continued to stay. If you knew of the incidents in the past and continued to stay, then apparently it wasn't a big deal to you. But to turn around now and start wagging fingers for shit that happened that you gave a EL a pass on the first time around, well that's pretty duplicitous imo.

Agree, but I am glad they eventually did what that should have done long ago so let's be grateful for that

 

[Dude Abides]

Well yeah, i agree with you in that part, no one should stay quiet due to fear of consequences in sharing experiences that where distressing for them in any kind of way (sexual or otherwise) and they should come forward .

Nevertheless , again, i don't think this shower situation fits in that and painting it as sexual misconduct is incorrect and (maybe) malicious under the #metoo , that's an opinion , not an imposition.

I'm actually really curious, how you would personally handle being in a similar situation?

As in, one of your Ex's (assuming, you have ex's) tells "privately" one awfully , awkward and cringy story about one stupid thing you did in the past, before your relationship with her started and where you stupidly misread all the signs in that stage of your relationship and you "went for it"?

Keep in mind that it can be any type of allegation. From insinuations to a failed attempt of a kiss to stupidly and drunkenly thinking you were invited to a shower when you were not and left. then she includes your name under the #metoo tag provoking a huge shitstorm for you, loosing your job, loosing your friends, income, and then you become the devil publicly.

What would you do, how you will handle it? (better than EL i'm sure) but you will be surprised? hurt? angry? Confused? what steps you will take?

And this question is open to anyone who wants to answer it too. Just keep in mind the scenario in giving.

Why does it matter what I'd do? If it was true I would hope that I'd own up to it to anyone that mattered to me and express regret and apologize if it was something wrong. That would be a good way to make sure I didn't lose my job, friends, or income.

I also hope I wouldn't just assume the other person was acting out of malice, as you have done without even knowing that other person!

 

[nelchaar]

If I had heard about this shower incident in isolation I would have maybe chalked it down to a misunderstanding, or maybe Evilore going all in with the Naked Man. It's still not ok, but I can see how he could have got any signals from his lady friend mixed up.

What I didn't know about was the Amirox pedo cover up, the nudes sharing, and the butt grabbing in Spain. Putting all thess together makes it difficult to accept Evilore's side of the story. This being said, I cannot, and will not ever condone or passively accept sexual assault in any way. Evilore did not even own up to any of the mentioned incidents, and with that in mind, I cannot possibly fathom how this won't happen again in the future or how we move past it in the present.

 

[metalslimer]

But lots of people did in fact ignore it though.

Its hard for me to take anyone seriously who knew about the past incidents, yet continued to stay. If you knew of the incidents in the past and continued to stay, then apparently it wasn't a big deal to you. But to turn around now and start wagging fingers for shit that happened that you gave a EL a pass on the first time around, well that's pretty duplicitous imo.

Because Evillorw suppressed any mention of the incidents I honestly didn't know and many people didn't know the full story

 

[KahooTs]

What I didn't know about was the Amirox pedo cover up

Again, how did he or this site cover up Amirox being a pedo?

 

[eso76]

But lots of people did in fact ignore it though.

. But to turn around now and start wagging fingers for shit that happened that you gave a EL a pass on the first time around, well that's pretty duplicitous imo.

Like i said elsewhere, this was just pretext for many.

A lot of people were frustrated at the way neogaf was managed. A lot of people had been holding a grudge against mods, the owner, other members. Years of playing along the progressist views in fear of being banned.
Shit hits the fan, gaf goes down, people think it might be done for. Get used to the idea they'll never be part of this community again. Start looking for alternatives. Start creating alternatives. Some with good intentions, some because the chance presented itself to steal a piece of that 10M cake.
Not afraid anymore to lose their GAF membership they start showing their true colours and voice their hatred.

I'd say a small percentage immediately left because they found the episode disgusting. A larger number of members already kind of hated GAF but had nowhere else to go before all of this.
An even bigger part are now considering leaving because their favourite posters left and went somewhere else and a lot of those who stayed are currently flipping shit at each other.
And this, i believe, is how it ends.

Why does it matter what I'd do? If it was true I would hope that I'd own up to it to anyone that mattered to me and express regret and apologize if it was something wrong. That would be a good way to make sure I didn't lose my job, friends, or income.

The fact they had a consensual sexual relationship afterwards sure seems to indicate the incident was forgotten or forgiven.

 

[Jrs3000]

Again, how did he or this site cover up Amirox being a pedo?

From my research him or members knew of his habits before he was busted then afterwards he claims to not know him or his real name. Then any mention of him being busted or anything related was scrubbed from forums. Just looking up the past experiences it seems to be a habit of E to deflect, make excuses and erase anything related to negative subjects that get posted up here. Never owning up too or tackling issue head on. That's just my 2 cents though.

 

[MIMIC]

If I had heard about this shower incident in isolation I would have maybe chalked it down to a misunderstanding, or maybe Evilore going all in with the Naked Man. It's still not ok, but I can see how he could have got any signals from his lady friend mixed up.

What I didn't know about was the Amirox pedo cover up, the nudes sharing, and the butt grabbing in Spain. Putting all thess together makes it difficult to accept Evilore's side of the story. This being said, I cannot, and will not ever condone or passively accept sexual assault in any way. Evilore did not even own up to any of the mentioned incidents, and with that in mind, I cannot possibly fathom how this won't happen again in the future or how we move past it in the present.

1. There was no "pedo cover-up." The mods suppressed discussion after it was publicly revealed (i.e. someone would go "what happened to Amir0x?" people would respond, and the thread would be closed), but there was never any suspicion of his crimes prior to the charges....so nothing was ever "covered-up."

However, EviLore stated that he never knew Amir0x's real name after the pedo stuff came out, which didn't hold water given the fact that he contributed to Amir0x's GoFundMe. I mean, it's possible to give money and not recall the person's name, but....you know. Unlikely.

IMO, there should have been a sticky of what happened. Very poor form to not give ample exposure to something like that, especially since it involved a former (and active) mod.

2. The butt grabbing thing was something that I recently learned about, too. Over the years, I had heard murmurings about something EviLore had done on some trip, but I never was aware of any of the details (or even the context of what happened). I thought he got into a fight or something.

3. The nude sharing: I still don't know much about that. I only heard about this incident a couple of days ago.

 

[KahooTs]

From my research him or members knew of his habits before he was busted

Yeah, big difference between those two. Either he knew or he didn't, do you or anyone else have anything to suggest he did?

This isn't grey, if there was reason to think he knew at the time before the arrest people would have bailed then, they didn't because there wasn't. So has anything changed?

What happened here when Amirox was arrested was fine, the only thing that could have happened. They couldn't have people throwing that shit around until they knew it was legitimate, and when it was confirmed legitimate it was addressed here.

 

[Xtyle]

From my research him or members knew of his habits before he was busted then afterwards he claims to not know him or his real name. Then any mention of him being busted or anything related was scrubbed from forums. Just looking up the past experiences it seems to be a habit of E to deflect, make excuses and erase anything related to negative subjects that get posted up here. Never owning up too or tackling issue head on. That's just my 2 cents though.

Is there actual proof to back this up that they knew before the arrest?

 

[Vincent Alexander]

1. There was no "pedo cover-up." The mods suppressed discussion after it was publicly revealed (i.e. someone would go "what happened to Amir0x?" people would respond, and the thread would be closed), but there was never any suspicion of his crimes prior to the charges....so nothing was ever "covered-up."

However, EviLore stated that he never knew Amir0x's real name after the pedo stuff came out, which didn't hold water given the fact that he contributed to Amir0x's GoFundMe. I mean, it's possible to give money and not recall the person's name, but....you know. Unlikely.

Ah. I didn't know the claims of EL knowing his name was due to donating to his GoFundMe. Is that really it? I've donated to people's GoFundMes a few times and I don't recall their names...just their stories. But I dunno.

 

[MIMIC]

Ah. I didn't know the claims of EL knowing his name was due to donating to his GoFundMe. Is that really it? I've donated to people's GoFundMes a few times and I don't recall their names...just their stories. But I dunno.

Yeah, that's why I didn't really take issue with that part of EviLore's statement. I mean, could he have known Amir0x on a more personal level in addition to the GoFundMe? Maybe. But that wasn't readily apparent, IMO.

 

[Fercho]

Why does it matter what I'd do? If it was true I would hope that I'd own up to it to anyone that mattered to me and express regret and apologize if it was something wrong. That would be a good way to make sure I didn't lose my job, friends, or income.

I also hope I wouldn't just assume the other person was acting out of malice, as you have done without even knowing that other person!

Thanks for deflecting the questions like a true matador. And add what you wanted to the scenario given.

Sadly, with your reply , i understand that you live completely detached from reality. Goodbye.

 

[Dude Abides]

Thanks for reflecting the questions like a true matador. And add what you wanted to the scenario given.

Sadly, with your reply , i understand that you live completely detached from reality. Goodbye.

You meant deflect, not reflect. And even that doesn't make sense because I answered your idiotic question.

 

[Fercho]

You meant deflect, not reflect. And even that doesn't make sense because I answered your idiotic question.

Thanks, edited.

And , it is really an idiotic question?

 

[John Caboose]

If I had heard about this shower incident in isolation I would have maybe chalked it down to a misunderstanding, or maybe Evilore going all in with the Naked Man. It's still not ok, but I can see how he could have got any signals from his lady friend mixed up.

What I didn't know about was the Amirox pedo cover up, the nudes sharing, and the butt grabbing in Spain. Putting all thess together makes it difficult to accept Evilore's side of the story. This being said, I cannot, and will not ever condone or passively accept sexual assault in any way. Evilore did not even own up to any of the mentioned incidents, and with that in mind, I cannot possibly fathom how this won't happen again in the future or how we move past it in the present.

This + the horrendous handling of the whole situation over the weekend.

 

[KahooTs]

This + the horrendous handling of the whole situation over the weekend.

Ok so since you're plus 1ing this you should be able to explain the Amirox pedo cover up. Please because I'd like to know.

 

[Fried Food]

neofail on blast

 

[eso76]

IMO, there should have been a sticky of what happened. Very poor form to not give ample exposure to something like that, especially since it involved a former (and active) mod.

I don't know about this.
Should have hanged him on the front page for people to spit on ?
The guy's life was basically over and ruined forever. It would be kind of like people attending executions and cheering at people getting fried, thinking justice is served.
The police did their job, no need for this to be fed to people.
I think the whole story is very sad.

 

[Dude Abides]

Thanks, edited.

And , it is really an idiotic question?

Yes because my dispute with you is I think you're way off-base in saying this Leupp person acted maliciously or inappropriately by telling this story on Facebook to her friends. I've even indicated that I don't necessarily think her side is all there is to it but if it is impugning her motives is a fuckboy move.

If we're going to play the what if game, if a friend of yours posted on Facebook about how someone walked in on them naked in the shower without asking and not accidentally, would you question their motives and tell them how malicious they were being?

 

[MIMIC]

I don't know about this.
Should have hanged him on the front page for people to spit on ?
The guy's life was basically over and ruined forever. It would be kind of like people attending executions and cheering at people getting fried, thinking justice is served.
The police did their job, no need for this to be fed to people.
I think the whole story is very sad.

Partially for the fact that he's a pedo, but mostly because of his ties to the site. I mean, if some random poster was arrested for pedophilia, that's different. But Amir0x was a prominent member and a mod. He had a lot of activity here. To act as if he never existed doesn't make sense.

 

[Meesh]

Well yeah, i agree with you in that part, no one should stay quiet due to fear of consequences in sharing experiences that where distressing for them in any kind of way (sexual or otherwise) and they should come forward .

Nevertheless , again, i don't think this shower situation fits in that and painting it as sexual misconduct is incorrect and (maybe) malicious under the #metoo , that's an opinion , not an imposition.

I'm actually really curious, how you would personally handle being in a similar situation?

As in, one of your Ex's (assuming, you have ex's) tells "privately" one awfully , awkward and cringy story about one stupid thing you did in the past, before your relationship with her started and where you stupidly misread all the signs in that stage of your relationship and you "went for it"?

Keep in mind that it can be any type of allegation. From insinuations to a failed attempt of a kiss to stupidly and drunkenly thinking you were invited to a shower when you were not and left. then she includes your name under the #metoo tag provoking a huge shitstorm for you, loosing your job, loosing your friends, income, and then you become the devil publicly.

What would you do, how you will handle it? (better than EL i'm sure) but you will be surprised? hurt? angry? Confused? what steps you will take?

And this question is open to anyone who wants to answer it too. Just keep in mind the scenario in giving.

For me, if I misread the situation I would've been incredibly apologetic... embarrassed.

There no doubt would've been no end to my apologies, seriously!!!

In order to recover, I probably would've made a joke about it with her later, I wouldn't know how else to deal with rejection of that magnitude. Making fun of a misread situation can be a way to put both parties at ease and move on... also makes for a potentially grand drinking story

Mind you... I don't have a thing for girls so drunk they're sick. To me... that's a little... oh I dunno, insensitive(?) and fucking gross. Met a girl once at a party I had a thing for, found her passed out in the tub and covered in puke. I thought, no thanks!!! Never looked at her the same...

But yeah, that's how I'd deal with it. Truthfully and with humor.

Edit:

In dealing with the #me too bit though... seriously, honesty and just being completely transparent about the situation. If you're honest on all fronts, what do you have to hide?

 

[numble]

I don't know about this.
Should have hanged him on the front page for people to spit on ?
The guy's life was basically over and ruined forever. It would be kind of like people attending executions and cheering at people getting fried, thinking justice is served.
The police did their job, no need for this to be fed to people.
I think the whole story is very sad.

The forum is a social environment that allows 13-year olds to register and participate. He was NeoGAF staff (mods are constantly referred to as staff on this site) as well as a prominent member.
If a company operated a social environment with teenage kids to spend their time, and it is revealed that one of the staff was arrested for child pornography, I think a reasonable reaction would be to investigate if that staff person did any similar malfeasance or harm to at-risk members (such as teenagers) through or via the site and inform people the results of the investigation to reassure that nothing bad happened here.

Think of a library, after-school club, boy scouts, church group or some other similar social environment where a former volunteer, staff member or prominent participant is arrested for child porn. I would not think it is a reasonable to expect the reaction to be for the administration to just say they did not know the individual and prevent people from discussing or mentioning the situation.

 

[krov87]

The forum is a social environment that allows 13-year olds to register and participate. He was NeoGAF staff (mods are constantly referred to as staff on this site) as well as a prominent member.
If a company operated a social environment with teenage kids to spend their time, and it is revealed that one of the staff was arrested for child pornography, I think a reasonable reaction would be to investigate if that staff person did any similar malfeasance or harm to at-risk members (such as teenagers) through or via the site and inform people the results of the investigation to reassure that nothing bad happened here.

Think of a library, after-school club, boy scouts, church group or some other similar social environment where a former volunteer, staff member or prominent participant is arrested for child porn. I would not think it is a reasonable to expect the reaction to be for the administration to just say they did not know the individual and prevent people from discussing or mentioning the situation.

He was kicked from the staff like 5 or 6 years before him being arrested.

 

[numble]

He was kicked from the staff like 5 or 6 years before him being arrested.

My analogies account for that. If a person was former church staff or Boy Scout staff but left staff 5 years ago but remained active in the activities, I don’t think the appropriate response would be all that different and I doubt it would be a claim that the person was not really known and that any discussion should be stifled.

 

[BlitzerRadic]

Because Evillorw suppressed any mention of the incidents I honestly didn't know and many people didn't know the full story

Maybe you didn't, but plenty of people did. The incident was revealed by EL in a public post. So what's their defense for not revolting back then?

 

[CouldBeWorse]

Because Evillorw suppressed any mention of the incidents I honestly didn't know and many people didn't know the full story

Me, too. I’m shocked that the forum survived these past incidents. I’m on here every day, at least reading, and I didn’t know about any of this shit.

 

[jason10mm]

I think it is very easy to not have known any of this. I've been a member here since 2009, so add the lurker registration period and its probably been almost 10 years. But I probably couldn't name a single mod or even EL. There is a group of folks REALLY into this site, the administration of it, and the folks running it, but a, I suspect, very large majority of users just didn't get to that level and just used the site. I bet there are a bunch of folks who were wondering where OT went for a few days and just chalked it up to site maintenance.

 

[Monkfish]

Me, too. I’m shocked that the forum survived these past incidents. I’m on here every day, at least reading, and I didn’t know about any of this shit.

Yep here for years unwittingly funding a sex offender

 

[Crazyorloco]

If someone made a list of shit I’ve done In my past 20 years I’d look pretty bad too I think.

I think it is very easy to not have known any of this. I've been a member here since 2009, so add the lurker registration period and its probably been almost 10 years. But I probably couldn't name a single mod or even EL. There is a group of folks REALLY into this site, the administration of it, and the folks running it, but a, I suspect, very large majority of users just didn't get to that level and just used the site. I bet there are a bunch of folks who were wondering where OT went for a few days and just chalked it up to site maintenance.

I agree. I don’t get so into someone life like that. I’m here generally for gaming and the photography threads.

 

[Compsiox]

If someone made a list of shit I've done In my past 20 years I'd look pretty bad too I think.

Nevermind lol

 

[LakeEarth]

If someone made a list of shit I’ve done In my past 20 years I’d look pretty bad too I think.

I've had the same sentiment. There are two events from my life which make me shudder in shame / embarrassment featuring the opposite sex that I would consider comparable to the shower incident. Which is why my pitchfork remains stored.

 

[Claude Augario]

Me, too. I’m shocked that the forum survived these past incidents. I’m on here every day, at least reading, and I didn’t know about any of this shit.

I heard whispers before I made an account here but I never knew any specifics. No one really talked about it at any of the forums I posted on before I came here.

My first tip off actually came from GAF itself - someone posted a thread calling out evilore about the revenge porn incident and it was nuked almost instantly, but not too fast that I didn't see it. There was no further context and no way to really get to the bottom of what he was talking about, and things went on as normal.

What really raised flags for me was the Amir0x statement. I knew that whole thing about no one on the staff really knowing who he was had to be bunk because he wasn't shy about his personal life or all the shady shit he bragged about doing. Even I knew his real name and I never held a conversation with the dude.

Amir0x also being part of the revenge porn incident just adds an extra layer of shadiness on everything.

 

[Curious Puppy]

I am so glad the morons in this thread are staying here and not coming to ResetEra. We don’t want you anyway.

Still waiting for the ban. Fuck this place.

 

[Poona]

Me, too. I'm shocked that the forum survived these past incidents. I'm on here every day, at least reading, and I didn't know about any of this shit.

I think probably a large factor into the current troubles of this forum is how it went down over the weekend, with all the 502 or 503 errors, etc.

If it didn't go down people would have been able to continue to post like usual and not have to look for other places and there wouldn't have been all these reports on video game websites investigating why it went down.

I was never really looking into the personalities of mods and so forth here, and I think the same went for quite a few others. I just came to read and post on here, so the forum probably could have continued chugging on like usual without all the controversy if it didn't go offline.

 

[dili]

I am so glad the morons in this thread are staying here and not coming to ResetEra. We don’t want you anyway.

Still waiting for the ban. Fuck this place.

heres an idea

Just Don't come here. Problem solved.

 

[Tapioca]

A lot of men don't seem to understand why or how scary men can be to a woman.

99.9% of able bodied men could hold me down and no matter how much I struggled I would never be able to get away.

Even trained women MMA fighters would struggle to take down a man that out-weighed her.

Our bodies suck at being weapons. You all are scary as fuck to us.

 

[Mossybrew]

A lot of men don't seem to understand why or how scary men can be to a woman.

99.9% of able bodied men could hold me down and no matter how much I struggled I would never be able to get away.

Even trained women MMA fighters would struggle to take down a man that out-weighed her.

Our bodies suck at being weapons. You all are scary as fuck to us.

That men are "scary as fuck" to you is not a healthy outlook. Individuals can be scary, seeing a whole gender that way is completely dysfunctional.

 

[Starfield]

A lot of men don't seem to understand why or how scary men can be to a woman.

99.9% of able bodied men could hold me down and no matter how much I struggled I would never be able to get away.

Even trained women MMA fighters would struggle to take down a man that out-weighed her.

Our bodies suck at being weapons. You all are scary as fuck to us.

Its just that men are physiologically stronger than woman. But you shouldnt be scared of any men whatsover because of that.

 

[Ombra]

Its just that men are physiologically stronger than woman. But you shouldnt be scared of any men whatsover because of that.

She can't help it the news is enough to show how scary power both physically and otherwise can make a womans life hell.

 

[Dude Abides]

That men are "scary as fuck" to you is not a healthy outlook. Individuals can be scary, seeing a whole gender that way is completely dysfunctional.

There you go. One of the few women left on this forum explains why women are generally intimidated by men in a perfectly reasonable way and you calll her dysfunctional and unhealthy. Such a mystery why so few women are interested in interacting with gamer dorks.