Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
XBOX HAS NO GAMESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.
From a certain point of view...
From a certain point of view...
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Engadget: Xbox's lack of compelling games won't be fixed next year
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Bönthö
Neo Member
Well it may not matter to you, but it does matter in general. Ps4 is atm in a stronger position between vanilla consoles and people who pick X or Pro over them are already in the minority. If a person outside of gaming forums like gaf decides to go for X or Pro and has to decide between the exclusives and a performance boost, I guess a good game is always a better selling point than a resolution bump or other improvement.
Many won't even realise the difference because it's already a situation where channels like digital foundry are needed. At the end of the day the difference isn't immense or obvious to all. Of course Xbox has games, but compared to PS they are lacking in major exclusives and diversity in them and it's kinda hard to argue against that.
it_wasn't_me
Banned
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2017-12-19-ps4-took-half-of-all-uk-physical-game-sales-in-2017
But mulitplats.... Multiplats wasn't counted when people said that PS4 has no games.
BuddyTheBestPuppy
Member
Sounds about right to me
it_wasn't_me
Banned
To me is vastly different. Combat isn't so fast like before and also you now have a buddy support.
//DEVIL//
Member
When someone mention that certain console has no games, usually means exclusive games. Because if you want to list multi platform games, then even the WII U has games.
How do I define an exclusive ? a game that is not being released on any other platform but 1. that is an exclusive.
Nioh. Nier. Street fighter 5 Shenmue 3. ALL xbox games outside of sunset overdrive and xbox 360 exclusives are Not exclusives.
I do not care about console exclusives. when the same game runs better than xbox one X on a decent pc.
and even if the PC is out. what exclusives MS released this year ? its a honest question. i remember forza 7 and cuphead. recore was this year ? regardless. the list is very small compared to other platforms.
in 2018. we all know about Crackdown 3. unofficially there should be a halo game and gears game along with forza game probably and sea of thieves. halo and gears might not be released in 2018 since we heard nothing about them and I don't think MS will announce the game at E3 to release it in fall. for such big title like gears and halo
which leaves MS nothing but another 3 or 4 exclusives per year. that is a joke.
There is a reason why MS want to go shopping for developers and studios. because they know their first party is a joke too
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
I've been a part of the xbox eco system since the start, all my friends are there.
Yes, the exclusives on the Playstation are, as a rule, better. I can't fault that. But what I can say is that also as a rule for myself, they don't really interest me. Things like Heavy Rain bore me (Although I loved Until Dawn). GT I find a dire experience, as I do Forza, but love Forza Horizon.
My general rule for myself is this: Buy everything on xbox, unless its an exclusive, then, if interested, buy it elsewhere. I'll even buy it on xbox over PS4 even if it plays better there, just due to the pad, achievements system and live friends (Although now, with my xbox x, that's less of an issue).
But I own all systems, because I'm a game fan. I'm not a fan boy. I could easily answer the question which system I love first, and it would be xbox/PC>Switch>PS4. But that's just me.
Yes, the exclusives on the Playstation are, as a rule, better. I can't fault that. But what I can say is that also as a rule for myself, they don't really interest me. Things like Heavy Rain bore me (Although I loved Until Dawn). GT I find a dire experience, as I do Forza, but love Forza Horizon.
My general rule for myself is this: Buy everything on xbox, unless its an exclusive, then, if interested, buy it elsewhere. I'll even buy it on xbox over PS4 even if it plays better there, just due to the pad, achievements system and live friends (Although now, with my xbox x, that's less of an issue).
But I own all systems, because I'm a game fan. I'm not a fan boy. I could easily answer the question which system I love first, and it would be xbox/PC>Switch>PS4. But that's just me.
DarkoMaledictus
Tier Whore
That's ok. The Biggest Blockbusters are Better on Xbox One X
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culturevulturemedia
Neo Member
LOL. A response that Reeks of fanboy dunderheaded decision making but then tries to preemptively block rebukes by saying "but i have all systems. I'm a game fan" . Same old story.
Funny stuff though. Sadly the thread is about a lack of compelling games... not your friends list. Pointedly Xbox is sorely lacking in compelling games. I do hope you and your buddies have fun playing uncompelling games... together. rofl.
State of Decay 2 is a title I'm really hyped for, loved the original game as there was nothing else like it, the focus on community and resource gathering along with it's permadeath mechanic really set it apart, Despite some technical jankiness the AI and world simulation was stunning. The sequel appears to have doubled down on the RPG elements too and moving from CryEngine to UE4 should make for a far more polished experience.
Sea of Theives wasn't something I was hugely interested in initially with it being a multiplayer game but since Rare have worked a full solo play experience into it I'm intrigued to see how this game turns out, it's no secret that those who have already experienced Sea of Thieves in it's early stages have had very positive things to say about it.
Crackdown 3 has some real potential with it's Azure-based terrain deformation, it's been in development for years now so I'm expecting a fully flegded next-gen sequel to Crackdown unlike the rushed (but still good) Crackdown 2.
'Forza Horizon 4' will be arriving too as a dead cert, the first game to make use of the X hardware from the ground up and it's exciting since no other racer on the market can touch it. Not sure if 2018 is the year for Halo (outside of MCC) but I expect we'll learn something at E3. Cappy's Below is also likely given that it's been on Microsoft's X enhanced list since November.
Overall I'm excited for the exclsuive line-up for Xbox 2018 and I'm optimistic we'll see some real surprises at E3 or maybe even before. 2017 was an unsually quiet year for Xbox exclusives and part of that is no doubt due to the release of Xbox One X. The backwards compatibility service made up for it in my opinion and since 4k Xbox/360 games are the future I'm looking forward to seeing more of those next year too!
Sea of Theives wasn't something I was hugely interested in initially with it being a multiplayer game but since Rare have worked a full solo play experience into it I'm intrigued to see how this game turns out, it's no secret that those who have already experienced Sea of Thieves in it's early stages have had very positive things to say about it.
Crackdown 3 has some real potential with it's Azure-based terrain deformation, it's been in development for years now so I'm expecting a fully flegded next-gen sequel to Crackdown unlike the rushed (but still good) Crackdown 2.
'Forza Horizon 4' will be arriving too as a dead cert, the first game to make use of the X hardware from the ground up and it's exciting since no other racer on the market can touch it. Not sure if 2018 is the year for Halo (outside of MCC) but I expect we'll learn something at E3. Cappy's Below is also likely given that it's been on Microsoft's X enhanced list since November.
Overall I'm excited for the exclsuive line-up for Xbox 2018 and I'm optimistic we'll see some real surprises at E3 or maybe even before. 2017 was an unsually quiet year for Xbox exclusives and part of that is no doubt due to the release of Xbox One X. The backwards compatibility service made up for it in my opinion and since 4k Xbox/360 games are the future I'm looking forward to seeing more of those next year too!
That's hardly a diverse portfolio. A bunch of shooting games, A racing game. And one original game. That's it.
RavageX
Member
For the most part we are beating a dead horse here.
MS simply lost focus, pushing hardware isn't that important if you don't have the software to back it up.
I personally thought they had better sense than this, in my opinion the Xbox one S was a step in the right direction, from there focus should have been on games.
Seems like they are using backwards compatibility as a way to build their library of games, and while bc is nice, I don't buy new systems just to keep playing old games all the time.
MS simply lost focus, pushing hardware isn't that important if you don't have the software to back it up.
I personally thought they had better sense than this, in my opinion the Xbox one S was a step in the right direction, from there focus should have been on games.
Seems like they are using backwards compatibility as a way to build their library of games, and while bc is nice, I don't buy new systems just to keep playing old games all the time.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
Why do people feel empty unless they have every platform out there to play games on? I have a PC and a ton of games I bought that I still haven't finished (and I pre-ordered Sea of Thieves to add to an already extensive list of games to play). Who the hell has time to play every game?
Plus you answered yourself, you have a PC and Microsoft has already let the cat out of the bag for at least 2 years now, they are putting all their games now on the PC. I just wish Sony and Nintendo did then I wouldn't have to deal with all the online fees and closed hardware.
And I don't give a shit about Yakuza and a bunch of other eastern games (ghost of tsushima looks cool though). Detroit also looks like another feeble attempt by David Cage, feel better now? Exclusives don't mean they are automatically better games.
Krappadizzle
Member
It's really not much difference from people shitting their pants over a potential Bloodborne 2 teaser that wasn't even confirmed.
A big difference right off the bat is that (or 'next from software game') is actually worth getting excited about. 'Next coalition game' is more wait and see.
Andronicus
Banned
Louis Cyphre
Banned
Different meaning like the new Kojima game people are passing out over yet having no idea what the hell it actually is? If people can get excited over every little teaser he puts out on a monthly basis then the same theory could apply for what The Coalition has cooking.
martinstraka8282
Member
My Xbox is a Forza Horizon 2 & 3 and 360BC machine and I'm okay with that, at least Ive got one for if they ever provide anything else compelling.
There's been some decent exclusives from Microsoft but theyre mostly stale franchises passed over by the general public and i think so much is just that their exclusives have created no hype/buzz this gen. Their exclusives have just sort of come and gone it seems.
Sunset Overdrive and Halo Wars just kind of fell flat even though they were solid
Halo just isn't what it once was. People aren't nearly as interested and they're a shadow of their past with 343 at the helm.
Gears is just as played out as Halo. 4 was a good game but again its lost its buzz like Halo. Theyre no longer system sellers imo, theyre something to play if you own one already.
Forza Motorsport is a sim and plays only to a particular audience.
Lucky's Tale... Does this count? Might as well have been a $10 live game.
Sea of Thieves and Crackdown both look like they will likely have the same fate of meh.
There's been some decent exclusives from Microsoft but theyre mostly stale franchises passed over by the general public and i think so much is just that their exclusives have created no hype/buzz this gen. Their exclusives have just sort of come and gone it seems.
Sunset Overdrive and Halo Wars just kind of fell flat even though they were solid
Halo just isn't what it once was. People aren't nearly as interested and they're a shadow of their past with 343 at the helm.
Gears is just as played out as Halo. 4 was a good game but again its lost its buzz like Halo. Theyre no longer system sellers imo, theyre something to play if you own one already.
Forza Motorsport is a sim and plays only to a particular audience.
Lucky's Tale... Does this count? Might as well have been a $10 live game.
Sea of Thieves and Crackdown both look like they will likely have the same fate of meh.
frAntic_Frog
Member
heh i remember earlier in 2016/2017 when xbox owners would list their up coming games....and i'd see alot of obscure titles used to pad their "lists"......Anyone remember when "Tacoma" was often listed as an "Xbox Exclusive"? lol
shpankey
not an idiot
Yeah, I totally get you, and it probably doesn't help people put a ton of time in those games too. When you buy Halo, Gears and Forza, it's not just the single player, you play the crap out of multi-player for a long time and in a way, burn yourself out from them. Vs a God of War, Uncharted, Last of Us, The Last Guardian... I usually play these through once, maybe twice and by the time a new one comes around I'm really wanting it again. Wherein Forza, Gears and Halo, I played for a year straight and am not really having that same feeling.
The xbox could really use a top-class, AAA+ single player franchise. Something epic and exclusive. This would really help shore up a weakness, imo.
This continued suggestion that there's no difference between literally legendary game makers like From Software and Hideo Kojima, and the friggin' Coalition, is troubling to say the least.
XBOX HAS NO GAMESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.
From a certain point of view...
Odium has no liiiife ..
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Odium has no liiiife ..
Tis trueeeeeeeeee!
whats goin on is its gonna continue to show how much better X is, are they wrong tho?
rokkerkory
Member
XBOX HAS NO GAMESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.
From a certain point of view...
force is strong with this one
Calibos
Member
Odium has no liiiife ..
I was curious about my library after seeing this...I have no life either.
428 games between the XBox, Xbox 360 and The One X.
334 XB1X
90 X360
4 OG
Add in:
15 PS4?
10 Steam
No Switch yet...but emulating Wii U on my PC.
On topic. I can't wait to see what all these companies release this year. Tangible, in my hand releases...not announcements and trailers. If I get everything that each company has promised, it's going to be a great gaming year!
Happy new year to all of us jaded, crabby fanboy assholes that hug our consoles like siblings and defend games like their our children. Hope you all have a safe one.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
From Software has made some pretty crappy games like Kings Field IV so lets not act like they are legendary because they milked a category that was forgotten. What is troubling is every Xbox article attracting people who have no faith in any project Microsoft is working on.
Liliana Eileen
Member
It's incredibly ironic that you're calling him a fanboy purely because of his personal preferences (he DOES own all systems as evidenced by his picture, he just prefers Xbox like many people do, so what?) while his post is mature and his posts are very friendly
Meanwhile...
You're the one that tells him you hope he and his friends have fun playing uncompelling games together, adding "LOL," "rofl," and even "haha" as your title. Do you realize that the top 10 played games on both consoles worldwide are incredibly similar? Do you realize that both consoles share 95% of the same library? Do you realize that the most popular games on both consoles are multiplat, and that "fun" and "compelling" are entirely subjective?
Of course not.
Stealthcobra
Member
Compared to ps4 exclusives in 2018 that list is pure shit.
Shadow of the collosus
Spiderman
Detroit become human
God of war
Days gone
Last of us 2
Final fantasy 7 remake
Death stranding and more
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Yes, consoles share most of the same amount of games, but what's one of the main reasons why people pick one console over the other?
Exclusives.
So, the comparison between exclusives becomes a factor. It's very likely that God of War Detroit and Spider-Man are going to outsell Crackdown 3, Sea of Thieves and State of Decay 2 by a large margin, which means MS is offering less attractive titles than Sony in 2018 (as far as we know now).
shpankey
not an idiot
I would argue it slightly different. I would say one of the main reasons why people pick a console is having the games you want to play (or even, types of games, Sports, FPS, Racing, etc). Subtle difference. Now that could be an exclusive game, but it may not be. If I wanted COD, Tomb Raider, Madden, NBA2k, NHL, Fifa and Resident Evil, the Xbox would be a perfectly valid choice. So would the PS4. So then it could come down to friends and/or friend lists, controller preference, power, etc.
If one of the games was also Halo or Forza, it would become even more compelling. If it was a PS4 exclusive, then yeah, I may go that route instead since it has a game I want. Exclusives help simply because if someone wants that game, they have to come to that system. But plenty of gamers won't care about it either.
You can't shoehorn the entire gaming world into your own preferences. It doesn't work that way, evidenced by the Xbox even still existing.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
What's evident is that PlayStation continues to dominate world wide and having exclusives is one of the reasons for that. Don't be mistaken, I'm not saying it's the only reasons, but its big part of it. It's like people don't want to admit that exclusive play a big role in all of this.
The Xbox has always been about western third parties and Microsoft first parties so they are pretty much doing what they have always been known for. So it really shouldn't be a disappointment to Xbox fans. The only thing that weirds out the Xbox library is the lack of Japanese support like they had at the start of the 360 but that is mostly due to Microsoft no longer throwing money at Japanese developers to make games for their system. So they should make the first party games more compelling, increase the feeling of community within the Xbox fans, and throw some extra money at western developers for extra perks for its system. At least for now. I think an Xbox games event focused competition in Europe and the U.S. would help this out or something similar to a PSX or BlizzCon.
shpankey
not an idiot
Right, sure it does, and rightfully so. Like you said, their sales lead speaks volumes.
Xbox One could do with some cult exclusives, ie games that don't do big numbers, but make the console attractive. The previous Xboxes had them in the form of Otogi, NGB, Breakdown, Lost Odyssey, JSRF, Panzer Dragoon Orta, Condemned, NG2, etc.
Where are cult exclusives on Xbox One? Nothing immediately comes to mind.
Where are cult exclusives on Xbox One? Nothing immediately comes to mind.
Helen Keller the Musical
Member
Xbone hasnt given me a reason to buy one yet.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
You really think the first Playstation that got Sony into this market was because of its exclusives? I would imagine a large part of why the PS4 started off so strongly was because of pricing and an all-in-one system that had a ton of games. Just like the first Playstation. On the contrary Microsoft wasted too many resources on Kinect and priced themselves out of the market. Sony had the better system which was more powerful and cheaper. It's been an uphill battle ever since for Microsoft.
Tell Nintendo how much exclusives mattered when the WiiU came out. Sony squeezed Nintendo out years ago by offering good hardware for third party publishers. Some may argue the appeal of the Switch is it's portable design and hybrid selling feature, not just its exclusives since those exclusives like Mario Kart and Zelda always existed. Of course exclusives help but it's not the only factor people buy a game console and certainly not why I spent a lot more building my gaming PC.
I will however be the first to admit the Xbox is the least compelling to me since I have a PC but that doesn't make the PS4 all that much more appealing. Switch maybe since I can take it with me and play on an airplane.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
No.
If you make a list of the reasons why PlayStation is successful, exclusives games will be on that list. Like I said before, it's not the only reasons, but it's one of the main reasons why they're so successful.The slow start is over and done with, now MS needs to focus on the remaining part of this generation and the next, and it starts with games.
The Playstation brand is going to continue to grow this generation, and those huge titles next year are really going to help.
Liliana Eileen
Member
Everything you just said is entirely irrelevant to my post.
I quoted a guy attacking another guy for no reason other than personal projection, and my statement was directed at his comment "have fun with your buddies playing uncompelling games rofl." If you go back and reread what I said in conjunction to his post you will see this.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Really, it's not. You were talking about something being compelling is subjective. Now, that's true, but there's no denying that PlayStation has the more compelling games, which is the point people are trying to make, even though it includes unnecessary fanboy attacks.
shpankey
not an idiot
...again, FOR SOME. This is not all inclusive of all gamers. For some it will be Switch, for some XB1. I wouldn't even oppose "for most gamers", though you didn't word it that way and that would be hard to verify. This is a subjective matter, which was [one of] Liliana's points as well, I believe.
Artistic
Member
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Again, that's not the point we're trying to make. You guys are focusing on individuals and their own personal opinion when we're talking about which game is going to attract more gamers than the other. That's the compelling aspect we're talking about.
For example: Horizon Zero Dawn vs Quantum Break.
It's clear that more gamers found Horizon Zero Dawn more compelling, which means it wasn't a matter of opinion, but a mere fact that gamers found HZD more compelling than Quantum Break to gamers. SOME gamers found QB more compelling but that's not the point we're talking about here.
Lort
Banned
Xbox is doing just fine and getting better every day,
EA Access, MS gamepass, better games for gold, huge library of awesome 360 games, cross play with PC, the great MS games, 4k blue ray, the best apps ie torrex bittorent and kodi airplay and tv input, and the best versions of the 95% of games that are multiplatform.
Keep on posting how u prefer sony we dont care .. xbox is the best in every area except a couple of exlusive games which is why every post has to talk about that or numbers sold. The xbox is the better box in every way.
EA Access, MS gamepass, better games for gold, huge library of awesome 360 games, cross play with PC, the great MS games, 4k blue ray, the best apps ie torrex bittorent and kodi airplay and tv input, and the best versions of the 95% of games that are multiplatform.
Keep on posting how u prefer sony we dont care .. xbox is the best in every area except a couple of exlusive games which is why every post has to talk about that or numbers sold. The xbox is the better box in every way.
NoMoChokeSJ
Banned
Not entirely true. I've preferred my Xbox more this generation because of the controller. I dislike the PS4 controller. And exclusives are less the push for me than the experience if playing. I've enjoyed the Uncharted series and Horizon, but find games like Bloodborne tedious and others like Neir not appealing.
captainraincoat
Banned
As much as some people loathe the forza..gears of war sequels that pump out i can honestly say that those games get replayed a lot more than my ps4 exclusives
Most of the ps4 stuff is play once...don't play it again...the ps3 did a much better job of keeping people coming back to play the first party games
People need to stop thinking that ms need to copy the horizon zero dawns...the bloodbournes ect...it's what make the 2 consoles different.....pump and dump or long term relationship
Most of the ps4 stuff is play once...don't play it again...the ps3 did a much better job of keeping people coming back to play the first party games
People need to stop thinking that ms need to copy the horizon zero dawns...the bloodbournes ect...it's what make the 2 consoles different.....pump and dump or long term relationship
rokkerkory
Member
I just chuckle at list wars. Why not enjoy both?