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[nowhat]

But we should be fair and say that if someone else doesn't want to play a guy due to someone's terrible politics then that's fine too.

Oh sure, if (s)he says that this is the reason why there's no review.

Offtopic and on a very personal level, I think GG did more harm than good. While I'm generally a very liberal person, a "leftie" (in US terms at least) even, I do hate political correctness with a passion. But the GG side just went so batshit insane that I don't want to associate with them at any level. So where's the movement for "live and let live, and also don't dismiss minorities or be a dick in general, but also at times games are only games and if you find them offensive, just ignore them"? I'd join it in a heartbeat. Also it'd need a good name, no way that'll turn into a decent acronym.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Honestly, I could easily see this being right up Vinnie or Brads street. The fact that they've passed on it smacks of pandering to the SF game Journo scene. Disappointed.

This is the perfect game that Vinny would love to try and break

 

[Dunki]

Oh sure, if (s)he says that this is the reason why there's no review.

Offtopic and on a very personal level, I think GG did more harm than good. While I'm generally a very liberal person, a "leftie" (in US terms at least) even, I do hate political correctness with a passion. But the GG side just went so batshit insane that I don't want to associate with them at any level. So where's the movement for "live and let live, and also don't dismiss minorities or be a dick in general, but also at times games are only games and if you find them offensive, just ignore them"? I'd join it in a heartbeat. Also it'd need a good name, no way that'll turn into a decent acronym.

Alost no one at GG was against minorities. GG was against the spreading of modern feminist ideologies. GG had a lot of black, asian, white, trans, women and men in their rows. what you were born with did not matter. Your ideology mattered.

 

[Grinchy]

The type of people who are screeching on the internet about this game are people who don't purchase videogames in the first place. It has always been bizarre to me to watch companies pander to that loud minority when it doesn't financially benefit them to do so.

Watching this game sell so well after doing the correct thing (not apologizing and/or pandering to nutcases) is so therapeutic.

 

[pj]

privately yes. If you cover games as journalist or like GB does then you should inform your viewers. Thats the big difference for me at least.

Again the excuse that it does not look interesting is really strange coming from the people who really love the elderscrolls and fallout series.

Do they claim to be journalists? I thought it was a personality driven opinion site. They've even talked about doing away with written reviews and I think they've published a total of one since december.

 

[nowhat]

Alost no one at GG was against minorities. GG was against the spreading of modern feminist ideologies. GG had a lot of black, asian, white, trans, women and men in their rows. what you were born with did not matter. Your ideology mattered.

Yeah... while the anti-feminism (whether justified or not) was a thing, I watched the whole debate from the sidelines. There was a ton of stuff against gays, trans, blacks, whathaveyou. You may say they were a minority, and that may be the case as I was never in the "movement"; but to say "almost no one" is disingenuous at best.

 

[Dunki]

Do they claim to be journalists? I thought it was a personality driven opinion site. They've even talked about doing away with written reviews and I think they've published a total of one since december.

They still do reviews and they still count for metacritic. So yes they have some sort of function. Hell they are doing quicklooks from japanese anime, music games. but this is not the interesting one? They do not even mentioning it on their podcasts. It is clearly intentional imo.

 

[Dunki]

Yeah... while the anti-feminism (whether justified or not) was a thing, I watched the whole debate from the sidelines. There was a ton of stuff against gays, trans, blacks, whathaveyou. You may say they were a minority, and that may be the case as I was never in the "movement"; but to say "almost no one" is disingenuous at best.

They were against certain people not gender, race or sexuality. And in the gg thread I showed already stats from the women in media research which stated that only 0,66% related to gamergate was harrassment. Also one of the most prominent spokespersons Milo was gay as well. It was never about certain aspects of a person it was the person and their ideology if even.

 

[Nobo-ty]

The game has sold over 1 million copies, and seems to be gaining more and more traction due to fairly positive word of mouth, so I have to wonder why is it that important to have some website or publication gush over the game? If they don’t want to cover it for one reason or another, it doesn’t matter.

As I said in a previous post, the games press hardly matters anymore.

And honestly, I’ve never really watched Giant Bomb and barely listened to their podcasts, they’ve never interested me, so whatever.

 

[pj]

They still do reviews and they still count for metacritic. So yes they have some sort of function. Hell they are doing quicklooks from japanese anime, music games. but this is not the interesting one? They do not even mentioning it on their podcasts. It is clearly intentional imo.

What do quicklooks of japanese games and music games have to do with this game? If anything, doing quicklooks on those types of games would imply that in fact they would NOT be interested in a medieval boredom simulator.

I don't know what past record of dishonesty jeff and gb have that would lead you to assume he's lying when he said he's not interested in covering it.

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

God bless the person who fixed the thread title. : )

 

[nowhat]

They were against certain people not gender, race or sexuality. And in the gg thread I showed already stats from the women in media research which stated that only 0,66% related to gamergate was harrassment. Also one of the most prominent spokespersons Milo was gay as well. It was never about certain aspects of a person it was the person and their ideology if even.

And yet in the same GG thread, there were people proclaiming the disaster (not the worst game ever, but personally the most disappointing release in 2017) that was ME:A was due to SJWs and diversity hires. Which anyone with half a brain would know to be false.

 

[Dunki]

And yet in the same GG thread, there were people proclaiming the disaster (not the worst game ever, but personally the most disappointing release in 2017) that was ME:A was due to SJWs and diversity hires. Which anyone with half a brain would know to be false.

I do not think its false.

Andromeda had the most token diversity crew Bioware ever had. They were boring you had you gay character, you had your trans character you had a black one, asian etc. Inquisition did the same shit with romance options but andromeda was even worse for me. AlsoI cant help it but the female sheppard looks like Anita^^

Oh and I would count this game as the worst AAA game ever. At least in a top 10. This game killed Mass Effect never forget.

 

[nowhat]

I do not think its false.

Andromeda had the most token diversity crew Bioware ever had. They were boring you had you gay character, you had your trans character you had a black one, asian etc. Inquisition did the same shit with romance options but andromeda was even worse for me. AlsoI cant help it but the female sheppard looks like Anita^^

Oh and I would count this game as the worst AAA game ever. At least in a top 10. This game killed Mass Effect never forget.

See my post here: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/game...other-about-it.1460965/page-10#post-253185578

The game had a ton of issues, majority of which had fuck all to do with diversity.

 

[Dunki]

See my post here: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/game...other-about-it.1460965/page-10#post-253185578

The game had a ton of issues, majority of which had fuck all to do with diversity.

they also had a fucking racist lead gamedesigner

But I think we should do this in another thread to not derail this one...

 

[Xaero Gravity]

he's a gamergater, which is the reason some people are pretending it's good, and the reason other people are pretending to believe you're a nazi if you buy it

This might be one of the single dumbest things I've read on GAF. Congratulations.

 

[nowhat]

But I think we should do this in another thread to not derail this one...

On that, we agree. But whether they had a racist lead game designer. Whether the person claiming to be the lead animator was female. Whether whatnot. That doesn't explain the myriad of technical, narrative and other issues. The game was a shitshow, all around. I'm aware of that particular person you linked to. But do you have any rebuttal of any of the points I linked to?

 

[mckmas8808]

Oh sure, if (s)he says that this is the reason why there's no review.

Offtopic and on a very personal level, I think GG did more harm than good. While I'm generally a very liberal person, a "leftie" (in US terms at least) even, I do hate political correctness with a passion. But the GG side just went so batshit insane that I don't want to associate with them at any level. So where's the movement for "live and let live, and also don't dismiss minorities or be a dick in general, but also at times games are only games and if you find them offensive, just ignore them"? I'd join it in a heartbeat. Also it'd need a good name, no way that'll turn into a decent acronym.

The problem with your 2nd point is that you want to cut people that share a different opinion than you on some games. I 100% disagreed with people 15 years ago that said GTA: San Andres was terrible because it stared a black guy. But never in my mind did I want them to shut up and just ignore the game.

 

[pj]

This might be one of the single dumbest things I've read on GAF. Congratulations.

Right, because the game would be getting the exact same amount of praise from gamergaters if one of the main devs wasn't a gamergater.

And Black Panther would have gotten the exact same RT scores if it had come out 10 years ago before everyone was obsessed with diversity in hollywood.

 

[nowhat]

The problem with your 2nd point is that you want to cut people that share a different opinion than you on some games. I 100% disagreed with people 15 years ago that said GTA: San Andres was terrible because it stared a black guy. But never in my mind did I want them to shut up and just ignore the game.

I mean, in an ideal world I'd like to engage in a meaningful debate about the merits of a game (or lack thereof). But as we live in reality, I'd much rather they keep their opinions to themselves and let me enjoy the game. This goes both ways - if I find a game to be offensive or bad in some fashion, I usually tend to be quiet about it.

 

[Dr. Claus]

But why continue to turn this is into an 'us versus them' thing? I see the OP is banned now but this anti-resetera (read liberals?) turn at every thread topic opportunity just seems in poor taste

Anyway, I suppose that gb can decide not to cover the game if they really aren't interested in it. Whether or not a game has turned out to be surprise hit is not grounds for a site or publication to cover it if the staff don't feel it's worth it. We implicitly understand that different tastes and interests dictate what one covers so why shouldn't that be the case.

Maybe it's a bit odd to not do so, sure. But it's fine, isn't it?

Where are you getting the idea that being anti-resetera is anti-liberal? As has been pointed out multiple times by different members in other threads whenever this is suggested - the majority of NeoGaf are liberals/left-leaning. However, other threads have talked about this to death already. I suggest looking into one of those threads for more information.

As for the issues, I think many are more annoyed by the final sentence that seemed to serve little purpose:

The head guy’s shitty views certainly don’t help, but I doubt we’d have covered it either way.

I agree with your point that different tastes/interests will change what one finds fun/intriguing. However, it can be easy to come to the conclusion with that final sentence that this is more a political move than a personal one. If it wasn't for that final sentence, I don't think this would have been an issue at all.

he's a gamergater, which is the reason some people are pretending it's good, and the reason other people are pretending to believe you're a nazi if you buy it

I don't buy that at all. The game is being praised by people because they genuinely believe it to be good. It is fine to dislike a game, but don't try to make disingenuous arguments like that.

 

[mckmas8808]

Right, because the game would be getting the exact same amount of praise from gamergaters if one of the main devs wasn't a gamergater.

And Black Panther would have gotten the exact same RT scores if it had come out 10 years ago before everyone was obsessed with diversity in hollywood.

So are you saying that people didn't actually like the movie Black Panther? And that they are lying because people are "obsessed" over diversity now?

I mean, in an ideal world I'd like to engage in a meaningful debate about the merits of a game (or lack thereof). But as we live in reality, I'd much rather they keep their opinions to themselves and let me enjoy the game. This goes both ways - if I find a game to be offensive or bad in some fashion, I usually tend to be quiet about it.

I hear what you are saying. You're not a bad person for saying it. But I'd think you could enjoy a game regardless what people find offensive about it. It's not like people should be disappointed only about a game's framerate, gameplay mechanics, or resolution. I think it'll be healthiest if you were to just ignore the people that are offended about certain things in games, before you ask them to stop voicing their opinions.

 

[pj]

So are you saying that people didn't actually like the movie Black Panther? And that they are lying because people are "obsessed" over diversity now?

Not everyone, and not necessarily as a conscious act, but yes absolutely some people pretend to like it because of diversity.

I saw some posts on resetera where people outright admitted to overrating the movie because of its diversity.

 

[pj]

I don't buy that at all. The game is being praised by people because they genuinely believe it to be good. It is fine to dislike a game, but don't try to make disingenuous arguments like that.

I didn't mean that everyone who likes it is pretending it's good. Most people who like it presumably don't know about the 'controversy', or know about it and don't give a shit one way or the other. What I meant is that some of the GGs who are defending this game's honor are pretending it's better than it is because they agree with that GG dev. I don't think it's crazy to believe that someone would change their hypothetical review score of a '6' game to an '8' if it embodied something they personally cared about, or if it's a rejection of something they don't like. Conversely, some are undoubtedly acting like the game is worse than it is because they think the developer is racist.

 

[Harlock]

Gerstmann lost the enthusiasm in games a long time ago. But is cringe you say the main game out this month, and a game with a lot of new stuff, is not interesting enough. Is cringe and sad.

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

I don't think that this is just about the controversy. Gerstmann often ignores games that don't interest him. Remember all the shit he got for not playing Last of Us?

 

[Senua]

I don't think that this is just about the controversy. Gerstmann often ignores games that don't interest him. Remember all the shit he got for not playing Last of Us?

Yea but this time it's not just him, but the whole site.

 

[gioGAF]

If they are not interested in the game, then fine, don't cover it. But if it has anything to do with Daniel Vavra and the whole political correctness garbage that has seized our times then GB is not really worth checking out anyway, so f' them.

I know people were complaining about proper cultural representation within this game, which is frankly ridiculous. I don't know Mr. Vavra, but from what I have read, I agree with him and not with the other side (feel free to educate me if I'm wrong).

 

[Paracelsus]

It's not even unethical, it's just petty to not review a game because it didn't follow an imaginary diversity quota by preferring historical accuracy. This reminds me of the Dead or Alive fiasco, aka "nobody is telling them to not bring him oversea, we'll just give it such bad press that it's like it never even released".

If they are not interested in the game, then fine, don't cover it. But if it has anything to do with Daniel Vavra and the whole political correctness garbage that has seized our times then GB is not really worth checking out anyway, so f' them.

I know people were complaining about proper cultural representation within this game, which is frankly ridiculous. I don't know Mr. Vavra, but from what I have read, I agree with him and not with the other side (feel free to educate me if I'm wrong).

He quote unquote said "the head guy's shitty views certainly don't help, but I doubt we would've covered it either way". Convenient.

 

[TwiztidElf]

There is nothing nefarious here.
It's always GiantBombs position to not cover everything and only cover the games that they play. There are plenty of 'bigger' games than this that never get touched by GB.

People reading politics into this clearly aren't regular GiantBomb consumers.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

There is nothing nefarious here.
It's always GiantBombs position to not cover everything and only cover the games that they play. There are plenty of 'bigger' games than this that never get touched by GB.

People reading politics into this clearly aren't regular GiantBomb consumers.

Dude I’ve been following them since their fucking inception. If anyone, Vinny would be having a fucking ball with this game and it’d probably be a series if not for the unnecessary bullshit. It’s the current political climate, the current social climate, the current social media climate and their fan base that is creating this ridiculous nonissue.

It’s like I’m in the 90s all over again between this and the seashells covering up dicks and tits on the statues in Ass Creed Origins new Historic Tour DLC

 

[EBE]

Where are you getting the idea that being anti-resetera is anti-liberal? As has been pointed out multiple times by different members in other threads whenever this is suggested - the majority of NeoGaf are liberals/left-leaning. However, other threads have talked about this to death already. I suggest looking into one of those threads for more information.

i wasnt suggesting that of the board, only of what i saw as an odd inclusion on the OPs part to snidely diss resetera. when a not insignificant amount of discussion by posters here and elsewhere is that resetera has become a liberal echochamber of leftist extremists what could saying someone has gone full resetera mean? OP cant answer me now

 

[iorek21]

At this point, Kingdom Come is getting so much attention that they probably don't even need a marketing campaign anymore...

"There's no such thing as bad publicity", after all

 

[Drake]

Gerstmann lost the enthusiasm in games a long time ago. But is cringe you say the main game out this month, and a game with a lot of new stuff, is not interesting enough. Is cringe and sad.

I haven't really followed Giant Bomb in years, but he seemed burnt out on games like 4 years ago and was pretty miserable about it. I can't even imagine how he is today.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

I haven't really followed Giant Bomb in years, but he seemed burnt out on games like 4 years ago and was pretty miserable about it. I can't even imagine how he is today.

I considered him burnt out on games the moment I heard him say he wasn’t an re4 fan.

 

[Arkhan]

But why continue to turn this is into an 'us versus them' thing? I see the OP is banned now but this anti-resetera (read liberals?) turn at every thread topic opportunity just seems in poor taste

For clarity, this is the very reason the OP is taking the weekend off. Not because of this thread specifically, but the continued pattern of this behavior. There are threads still active where people can discuss such things, but raising it in every thread inevitably derails some posts from the topic at hand, as it did here.

 

[Dr. Claus]

i wasnt suggesting that of the board, only of what i saw as an odd inclusion on the OPs part to snidely diss resetera. when a not insignificant amount of discussion by posters here and elsewhere is that resetera has become a liberal echochamber of leftist extremists what could saying someone has gone full resetera mean? OP cant answer me now

Apologies, I had misunderstood then.

As for the question, I think I can answer that. ResetEra is the same community that was originally here on NeoGaf. The board was primarily authoritarian-left in nature, silencing voices that differed or tried to discuss something that wasn't the popular opinion. Specific topics/people were considered [x] and you could not say anything against that, you could not have an opinion without being banned/silenced. This lead to people either agreeing/avoiding topics to avoid being banned/harassed - even if that was not their true opinion. However, this has been mentioned in other threads already and with far better tact/writing prowess. I do suggest looking there (through the search bar) to get a better understanding.

When someone says something about "going full resetera", I would presume that they are referring to being authoritarian. Refusing discussion/debate and assuming the worst through either incorrect/false information, or listening to the vocal minority to avoid backlash. Personally, I find it absolutely inane to use this as a term. Much better exist that properly convey the message they are trying to get across.

 

[Frostman]

I don’t consider this ‘bad’ tbh. If they don’t feel like looking into the game, the chances are if they did, it would be half hearted and shite coverage. You should cover things your interested in, and therefore produce the better content with.

On the flip side, I think looking into these games from unknown studios not only diversifies GB’s catalogue of coverage, it also helps the studios and publishers in selling their game. As a games media, I can’t help but feel that this is part of their job. Writing about all forms of games, to better support the industry. Especially when said games coverage has, in my opinion, been lacklustre to say the least, with some publications joining an echo chamber as well as being entirely misinformed on certain subjects. I also realise those aren’t mutually exclusive.

I love this game, and was actually looking forward to GBs coverage. Them not covering it doesn’t affect my enjoyment, nor does it affect KCDs reach considering it’s hit a million already, (I’m sure it will touch 2 mil in the future) but it is a bit disappointing and I hope they will continue to cover similar games in the future.

If I had to give my take on this situation though, I do feel like GB are just dodging a bullet here, because of the current vocal subject surrounding this game. It seems if a games publication critiques the game, rather than the politics of its CD, a certain group likes to scream about it.

Absolutely mental.

 

[Dr. Claus]

I didn't mean that everyone who likes it is pretending it's good. Most people who like it presumably don't know about the 'controversy', or know about it and don't give a shit one way or the other. What I meant is that some of the GGs who are defending this game's honor are pretending it's better than it is because they agree with that GG dev. I don't think it's crazy to believe that someone would change their hypothetical review score of a '6' game to an '8' if it embodied something they personally cared about, or if it's a rejection of something they don't like. Conversely, some are undoubtedly acting like the game is worse than it is because they think the developer is racist.

Apologies, PJ. I had misunderstood.

 

[Soleil rouge]

He's being disingenuous about the reason they're ignoring the game. The last sentence made it clear: it's strictly political.

Seems a bit daft, as KC: D is making serious waves and has the potential to be a highly entertaining video review (or whatever it is they do), which would garner clicks.

It's their loss. Personally, I never understood the appeal of Jeff and now he's just a soulless hack who probably hates his miserable life. War Horse will do fine without some fat asshole half-heartedly covering their game.

 

[EBE]

For clarity, this is the very reason the OP is taking the weekend off. Not because of this thread specifically, but the continued pattern of this behavior. There are threads still active where people can discuss such things, but raising it in every thread inevitably derails some posts from the topic at hand, as it did here.

i dont mind the discussion, we can have it if we need to, but its exactly the pattern that i find distasteful and unnecessary.
now can you do something about Mister Apoc's black panther threads? i mean before he makes another?

 

[mckmas8808]

Not everyone, and not necessarily as a conscious act, but yes absolutely some people pretend to like it because of diversity.

I saw some posts on resetera where people outright admitted to overrating the movie because of its diversity.

And do you think it's possible that other movies without diversity have been hyped up by some people in the past for some reason other than the quality of the movie?

 

[prag16]

He's being disingenuous about the reason they're ignoring the game. The last sentence made it clear: it's strictly political.

Seems a bit daft, as KC: D is making serious waves and has the potential to be a highly entertaining video review (or whatever it is they do), which would garner clicks.

It's their loss. Personally, I never understood the appeal of Jeff and now he's just a soulless hack who probably hates his miserable life. War Horse will do fine without some fat asshole half-heartedly covering their game.

I never was a fan of Gerstmann either, though the petty attacks in the last bit are probably a little much. But yeah it's entirely transparent, their motives here. Nobody should be fooled.

 

[WaterAstro]

I never liked Gertsmann even back in the Gamespot days, and I'm not a fan of Giant Bomb, so it doesn't affect me that much.

What I will say is that journalism is about covering everything, even things you don't like. If they have a problem with Vavra, then report it. Dig deep and find out the truth.

I don't know if they have reviewed the game or not. If they did, that's good enough.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

I never liked Gertsmann even back in the Gamespot days, and I'm not a fan of Giant Bomb, so it doesn't affect me that much.

What I will say is that journalism is about covering everything, even things you don't like. If they have a problem with Vavra, then report it. Dig deep and find out the truth.

I don't know if they have reviewed the game or not. If they did, that's good enough.

They’ve done nothing. Both east and west coast groups haven’t even mentioned it since release.

 

[Barakov]

Figured they wouldn't cover it. Didn't really seem like their thing. But given the views of some people at GB and the people they have on their E3 shows it's pretty obvious what their angle is here.

 

[prag16]

They’ve done nothing. Both east and west coast groups haven’t even mentioned it since release.

Of course not every outlet can cover every single game in existence. It's not feasible. But this is a game that sold a million copies in a week.... there aren't too many of those. Especially from studios not under one of the major publishers. It's kind of a big deal. Regardless of a handful of somewhat ill advised tweets from one of the creators.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Of course not every outlet can cover every single game in existence. It's not feasible. But this is a game that sold a million copies in a week.... there aren't too many of those. Especially from studios not under one of the major publishers. It's kind of a big deal. Regardless of a handful of somewhat ill advised tweets from one of the creators.

This is the best selling game of the year so far
A million in a week
A first person medieval RPG
And it isn’t published by EA or Activision
And it has no loot boxes

And it’s not being covered

 

[Scopa]

Sounds like a cop out by Gertsmann. In my opinion, he is too afraid to rock the boat by covering the game.

I don’t agree with it, but he has the right to do so.

On a positive note, it gives him more time to play CoD and the other crap games he loves so much.

 

[Kadayi]

I think the word that springs to mine is 'Lame'