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Facebook bans far-right group for hate speech
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highrider
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Mostly younger men on here, probably not very active on fb. I use Facebook because it would be professional suicide not to, and I enjoy being able to easily keep in touch with extended family. I always say you are the architect of your social media experience. In regards to the topic, the article was kind of vague.
TrainedRage
Banned
What the hell is a Facebook?
Codes 208
Member
Yes? 4/5 of everyone i know has a facebook account and is at the very least slightly active. I know less people who use twitter (i use both. FB for family and friends and twitter for hobbies and professional use)
cryptoadam
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What about this group?
http://www.melaniephillips.com/sewer-left-wing-antisemitism/
Or is FB going to allow it to continue?
http://www.melaniephillips.com/sewer-left-wing-antisemitism/
Or is FB going to allow it to continue?
O.v.e.rlord
Banned
I don’t really like the mentality of “we don’t like it so ban it”
BANGS
Banned
Same. It's pretty disgusting honestly...
Their site their rules
Rim
Member
Are you talking about the far-right groups or Facebook?
ProfessorLobo
Banned
You can always make your own social network, I hear Gab is doing pretty well.
O.v.e.rlord
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a lot of people reply so let me try to explain. I don’t like others trying to dictate what I can and cannot see because of subjective rule enforcement.
TannerDemoz
Member
They were given numerous warnings and ignored them. Fine
line between free speech and hate speech. Bunch of losers - good riddance to the racists.
BANGS
Banned
There is no line, they aren't mutually exclusive...
Then why are you on a forum that does exactly this?
As Lobo said, you're free to make your own or visit something that doesn't have any rules like Gab
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BANGS
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There's something to be said about how a site like Gab which literally has no rules gets labeled as alt-right tho...
You guys are posting on Neogaf that has those exact rules in place...
octiny
Banned
I use FB all the time & it's probably the fastest place to get news (prime example last night, saw a post about stephen hawking). So does everyone I know. Not going anywhere, especially since they own instagram which has awesome sharing integration with FB (since they own it) & is a monster in itself. FB stock has made me a very happy man LOL. Now snapchat on the other hand is going downhill, Instagram stories put a dagger in their existence.
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Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug
It's almost like they want to spout they're hateful rhetoric without consequences
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O.v.e.rlord
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What does my envolement with this site have to do with anything? Yes there have been incidents on gaf and I wholeheartedly disagree with them. Example would be the the frist day’s of GG. There was an active mentality to surprise discussion around that event. But this is an instance of a group being banned for something as vague as “hate speech” l. Why I don’t like the term hate speech is because it is subjective. The trem varies from person to person.
Serious question. If "alt right" groups can't talk about racist stuff then how can Louis Farrakan have a twitter account? He is the most anti-semetic person I know and of course he has a blue check mark with twitter. Per example:
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Knob Creek
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Lol that you're actually equating your thing with child porn
cryptoadam
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Same reason back in the post you liked of mine. FB group that spouts anti-semtic crap still kicking. FB lets a lot of antisemetism slide if its coming from the a certain direction.
Speaking of twitter Canary Mission was suspended on there (and reinstated) but again nothing for Mr. Farrakan. I wonder why??
TrainedRage
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Because he isnt a "ALT RIGHT NAZI" REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
No, it's a sad and blatantly transparent double standard.
Dude is an idiot and should be banned like the others. I really don't see why this is used as a "gotcha"
Such class this forum has cultivated
It's to show that there is a double standard. How many left wing nuts are banned compared to right wing nuts? That's the point. My views as a person of the right can easily be banned yet people on the left get away scott free.
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O.v.e.rlord
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I think that is the point of the post. He should be banned but yet he still is there. It’s not really a gotcha. Just an example of a double standards in work.
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TrainedRage
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Yeah you showed me! I'm sure you are supper classy *good sir*. The point stands bruh. It IS a double standard because he IS NOT blocked. Its not a gotcha, its a fact.
It's fine to point out double standards if you want to actually do something productive. But it seems that many people do so simply to score "points" for their side when really we should be calling out bullshit for being bullshit. For example, the guy who posted the twitter link about Farrakhan being an anti-semite won't show you this link where Twitter refused to take down a bunch of islamophobic videos or this one where they also refused to take down an antisemitic tweet. No fucks given about the checking the veracity of his claim at all. Just completely cherry-picking to "own da libs."
The reality is that policing hate-speech on the internet is quite difficult, and twitter/facebook have pretty much not even bothered regardless of whatever "side" it's coming from because up to now they have had no incentive to. This fucking bullshit of "but da media iz tryen to censur us conservatives" is complete nonsense. These companies don't give a fuck about liberals or conservatives. You think Zuckerberg cares that you voted for Trump or you like guns and god or whatever? He. Does. Not. Give. A. Fuck. None of these filthy rich people do. They have algorithms that make them money every minute. That's all they care about. All what you guys are doing is just cherry picking to argue about your side and how "woke" you are about the "msm" or whatever the fuck it is you drone about.
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Shadowhelper
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Britain First is a terrorist group you dumb fucks.
You dip shit alt rights should all be banned. Stay in your own in bred circle.
You dip shit alt rights should all be banned. Stay in your own in bred circle.
I am not defending them I do not know much about them. I am arguing that the same logic can be used for far left people like Louis Farrakan and he is not banned.
I am not alt right so please do not make such accusations.
TrainedRage
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Who are these "dip shit alt rights" you are talking about?
9% of users here are from the UK, so most people here probably don't know anything about Britain First one way or another, nor would they be expected to. If they're a terrorist group, maybe direct your scorn at CNN for not describing them that way in the article linked by the OP, rather than blowing up at everyone around you and invoking the alt-right bogeyman.
Why are you arguing this though? Why did you feel the need to point this out? Everyone on the internet knows that twitter sucks at policing hate speech. There have been a slew of "outrage" style articles on liberal sites bitching that twitter didn't ban someone that they think should be banned. I think most rational people will also agree that Farrakan's anti-semitism should not be tolerated. As such, it just seems really bizarre to say "but look at this!" to something that is blatantly obvious to everyone.
It's like you get hit by a drunk driver and then someone else goes "but this guy over here also got hit by a drunk driver." It makes no sense otherwise unless you are implying that the guy who got hit shouldn't be complaining that he got hit when the actual issue is that people who drive drunk are assholes.
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Astral Dog
Member
Ugh
I absolutely agree with avoiding "hyperbole politics" (still trying to find the right term for this) as it really isn't productive. At the same time, I think we should hold our members to higher standards when it comes to posting. Shouldn't people be doing a little bit of research before posting? If I didn't know anything about British society, I might want to do a quick google of Britain First before I post a comment complaining that facebook banned a terrorist group from their platform yet didn't do *insert relatively minor stuff I would reconsider complaining about if I knew this was a terrorist group here*...do we have to spoon feed people everything? I've seen people complain about needing facts, yet you give them a twitter link with a news article, they don't even read it and complain that it's twitter and not news. Then you tell them the twitter link has news articles then it's "but the liberal NYT" or "I need a live video."
Take stuff like this for example:
I mean, there's quite a bit wrong with this post. This post isn't wrong because it's conservative. It's wrong because it takes a complex issue (censoring internet hate-speech), reduces it to a hot-take, and then wraps it up in the veneer of a smug false persecution complex. It is difficult to have a debate with this because this post isn't an attempt to solve something or discuss something. What is this post trying to achieve? What is there to debate? The post isn't asking "well, this guy got banned but others aren't; why is facebook doing such a shitty job at policing hate-speech" which is actually common ground for both "sides" as there are things that facebook has failed to take action against on the liberal side too. This post just makes the false assertion that this is only happening to conservatives just to "win." It's not much more than a "those evil libs" type post you see in the fox news comments. That is it. There is nothing of substance to it. How do you engage this? Do you just ignore it? That does not seem to be working.
Independent research on the UK can only take you so far though. No amount of research can adequately prepare someone for first contact with separate faucets for hot and cold water, or roundabouts attached to even more roundabouts, or pubs closing at 11pm. ;b
Alexander DeLarge
Member
Edit: I don't know a damn thing about Britain First, maybe they're further to the right of the BNP? I don't know but this post is simply about "their site their rules".
In order for the free market to respond, the actions of these sites need to be public so the market can respond. The scummy practice of "shadow banning" people and manipulating the algorithms to manipulate users into thinking "no one cares what I post, I'm not gonna post anymore" because no one can actually see their posts really skewers that line of thinking for me.
The question becomes "would people continue to use Facebook/Twitter if they were transparent with their users?" and I really do think that it'd be enough to cause mass migration to a competitor.
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LordPezix
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Isn't that what Linkedin is for though?
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Oh boy, the amount of whataboutism in this thread is fantastic. Absolutely delicious.
Anyone who disagrees with this decision therefore endorses giving a platform to Nazis to spout hatespeech. And before you start crying about "m-muh freedom of speech" I'd like to remind you that freedom of speech only applies to the government's ability (or inability) to detain and/or arrest you for the things that you say. If you break Terms of Service on a website that doesn't want to be affiliated with Nazi hatespeech, that's not an infringement on your freedom of speech; that's Facebook deciding they don't want goddamn Nazis on their site.
Anyone who disagrees with this decision therefore endorses giving a platform to Nazis to spout hatespeech. And before you start crying about "m-muh freedom of speech" I'd like to remind you that freedom of speech only applies to the government's ability (or inability) to detain and/or arrest you for the things that you say. If you break Terms of Service on a website that doesn't want to be affiliated with Nazi hatespeech, that's not an infringement on your freedom of speech; that's Facebook deciding they don't want goddamn Nazis on their site.
Bryank75
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What would you label Katie Hopkins or Douglas Murray? Just out of interest...
Ok I googled some of it but I honestly do not understand why such a small group who attracts like a dozen people at their protests get so much attention.
Meanwhile Linda sarasour can still spread her anti Semitic paroles even using IS gestures. And advocating sharia law.
But I guess this is more important also what kind of low level priority for cnn.
But yeah it is their right I just wish they were equally consistent at least
One thing I will edit: UK has been awful in recent times regarding censorship. Even not letting people in their country who wrote Songs with words like faggot in it. Even though it was about a shitty character who uses these words. So even this is not surprising anymore. But a pretty sad state we are in.
Meanwhile Linda sarasour can still spread her anti Semitic paroles even using IS gestures. And advocating sharia law.
But I guess this is more important also what kind of low level priority for cnn.
But yeah it is their right I just wish they were equally consistent at least
One thing I will edit: UK has been awful in recent times regarding censorship. Even not letting people in their country who wrote Songs with words like faggot in it. Even though it was about a shitty character who uses these words. So even this is not surprising anymore. But a pretty sad state we are in.
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and you are likeSome users here.
They don't even hide it anymore.
So can we now stop with stuppid pictures and concentrate on the topic?
I have no googled more of it. While some guy who killed someone did shout Britain first ONCE. They are not a terrorist organization. If you count this than the whole Islam with its Allah Akubar is a terrorist organisztion..... Is it a nationalist party? Yeah is its anti islamic? Yes it is. But again they do not spread the word of wanting to kill people here. We have definitions for a reason If we just make up what these definitions are then why even argue anymore.
Just accuse everyone you do not like just like the picture.
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