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Rumour: PS5 Devkits have released (UPDATE 25th April : 7nm chips moving to mass production)

2019 Release
12.6TF GPU
16GB HBM2
Zen2= 8 cores 16 threads
1TB SSHD

This seems to be the most plausible hardware configuration for a new generation of consoles. This would cost $ 499 in 2019 and $ 399 in 2020. If SONY wants to win over consumers by the price it will launch in 2020 for $ 399. If they want to impress consumers by the power of hardware, it will launch in 2019 for $ 499.

Anyway I just hope it does not launch a console with less than 12.6Tflops of GPU(3x PS4PRO). For with this GPU we can see a graphic jump at least equivalent to PS3 for PS4, adding the numerous advances that the CPU will provide in AI, Physics, Destruction, Animation, Particles and so on. An RX VEGA 64 performance in a mainstream NAVI 7nm handy me sounds very enjoyable. The rest is the responsibility of the CPU and memory. Take a look at the performance of the RX VEGA 64 and see that it is a great GPU. Performances more stable than the GTX 1080 and 4k delivery in great settings with frame-rates higher than 30fps. With good optimizations that every console usually receives, it can beat the 60fps without compromising. A console with the specifications mentioned by the '' demigod '', are great and balanced.

Does anyone have something to say?
 
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GoldenEye98

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This seems to be the most plausible hardware configuration for a new generation of consoles. This would cost $ 499 in 2019 and $ 399 in 2020. If SONY wants to win over consumers by the price it will launch in 2020 for $ 399. If they want to impress consumers by the power of hardware, it will launch in 2019 for $ 499.

Anyway I just hope it does not launch a console with less than 12.6Tflops of GPU(3x PS4PRO). For with this GPU we can see a graphic jump at least equivalent to PS3 for PS4, adding the numerous advances that the CPU will provide in AI, Physics, Destruction, Animation, Particles and so on. An RX VEGA 64 performance in a mainstream NAVI 7nm handy me sounds very enjoyable. The rest is the responsibility of the CPU and memory. Take a look at the performance of the RX VEGA 64 and see that it is a great GPU. Performances more stable than the GTX 1080 and 4k delivery in great settings with frame-rates higher than 30fps. With good optimizations that every console usually receives, it can beat the 60fps without compromising. A console with the specifications mentioned by the '' demigod '', are great and balanced.

Does anyone have something to say?

For a 64 compute unit GPU like Vega 64 to hit 12.6TFlops it'd have to be clocked at 1.55GHz

For reference PS4 Pro is 911Mhz...Xbox One X is 1.172GHz

Not saying it's impossible but if you look what Microsoft did with Xbox One X (it only has 4 more CU's than PS4 Pro but significantly higher clocks) it took an extra year and cost $100 more than PS4 Pro...

This is why I think something in the 10TFlops area is more realistic.
 

Snake29

RSI Employee of the Year
we won’t see more then 24GB memory. Consoles still have fixed hardware and 32GB for consoles is overkill nextgen. People forgot that previous gen Sony used more expansive memory then now (XDR-Ram), but that doesn’t mean nextgen will have more then 32GB.
 

mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
i pretty much considered the thermal and power limits when i made this statement. amd's newest laptop APU already runs with sub 25W on 4cores/8threads while having an allcore clock of 3,2Ghz and additionally having to fuel some GPU cores and logic. that APU is just on GLOFOs 14nm+ and not on 7nm. so i think 4Ghz on 8c/16t while consuming<=30w on the CPU is more then reasonable for 7nm ryzen.

to be honest i wouldn't be to sure, that we will see another APU on next gen. amd's GPU footprint is just much to large to put it on the same die as the CPU. even if one considers the higher pack density of 7nm that probably doesn't make economical sense. im betting on discrete CPU/GPUs this time around. or a weak-ass APU ...but then again sony can't really afford that two years after XB1X's release.

I wish more people would realize that Sony's next console (the PS5) will have NOTHING to do with Xbox One X. Sony doesn't care at all (i.e. 0%) what's in the X1X. The PS5 will NOT be competing against that console. Not sure why people keep bringing up that console in a way where Sony should be thinking about it.
 
For a 64 compute unit GPU like Vega 64 to hit 12.6TFlops it'd have to be clocked at 1.55GHz

For reference PS4 Pro is 911Mhz...Xbox One X is 1.172GHz

Not saying it's impossible but if you look what Microsoft did with Xbox One X (it only has 4 more CU's than PS4 Pro but significantly higher clocks) it took an extra year and cost $100 more than PS4 Pro...

This is why I think something in the 10TFlops area is more realistic.

Will the NAVI architecture not guarantee great performance leaps? Does AMD have no interest in significantly increasing its GPU performance? I think 12.6Tflops on a GPU equivalent to what is a GTX 1060 or RX 580 nowadays will be a reality in 2019/2020.

The most advanced GPU of 2019/2020 should reach their 18 ~ 22Tflops. But they will only fit on expensive PCs.
 
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GoldenEye98

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I wish more people would realize that Sony's next console (the PS5) will have NOTHING to do with Xbox One X. Sony doesn't care at all (i.e. 0%) what's in the X1X. The PS5 will NOT be competing against that console. Not sure why people keep bringing up that console in a way where Sony should be thinking about it.
Both of them use semi-custom AMD chips in a similar sized box, with the same power/thermal range.

When talking about the hardware you are talking about what AMD can deliver more so than what Microsoft/Sony can.
 

GoldenEye98

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Will the NAVI architecture not guarantee great performance leaps? Does AMD have no interest in significantly increasing its GPU performance? I think 12.6Tflops on a GPU equivalent to what is a GTX 1060 or RX 580 nowadays will be a reality in 2019/2020.

The most advanced GPU of 2019/2020 should reach their 18 ~ 22Tflops. But they will only fit on expensive PCs.

This is AMD we are talking about here. If anything the guarantee is that there will not be great performance leaps on their next architecture. They have a problem with increasing performance per watt.
 
This is AMD we are talking about here. If anything the guarantee is that there will not be great performance leaps on their next architecture. They have a problem with increasing performance per watt.

In your opinion is there a possibility that SONY will build a PS5 with Nvidia components?
 
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This is AMD we are talking about here. If anything the guarantee is that there will not be great performance leaps on their next architecture. They have a problem with increasing performance per watt.


Is it possible for SONY to build a PS5 with Nvidia components?
 
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Xyphie

Member
Nvidia can definitely make a bid for a console SoC this time around. Problem last time was that ARMv8 wasn't quite ready in 2013, so there wasn't a 64-bit CPU for them to use. Still think 1x Zen CCX and some AMD GPU is more likely though.
 
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GoldenEye98

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In your opinion is there a possibility that SONY will build a PS5 with Nvidia components?

It thinks its a pretty low chance and if they did it would pretty much kill any chance at backwards compatibility. Personally though I would like to see them use an Nvidia gpu. Though I'm not sure what they'd use for cpu. It have to be either ARM or Intel. Intel could be too expensive.
 

Raoh

Member
I'll get it, but not super excited. It's like the last of the PS2 & PS3 years. Still plenty of life. I know a lot of people always want more power more more more but some of the best games come when the devs learn better techniques with existing hardware and tweaked software. Some of the best quality Playstation games come at the end of each generation. Then.. the devs have to start over making somewhat mediocre games on new hardware as opposed to shinning on older hardware.

I have a PS4 Pro, an xbox one and a switch. I don't plan to be a multi platform gamer anymore, I soft of half assed that anyway. I'll trade up and maybe keep the ps4 pro if it holds anytype of value or use for multi room needs.

Just seems like both the xbox 1 and the ps4 still has a lot of life left.
 
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It thinks its a pretty low chance and if they did it would pretty much kill any chance at backwards compatibility. Personally though I would like to see them use an Nvidia gpu. Though I'm not sure what they'd use for cpu. It have to be either ARM or Intel. Intel could be too expensive.

My forecasts remain 12.6Tflops (called 13 Tflops from industry to the market). 16GB GDDR6 seems to me the most logical. Maybe an APU ZEN 2/3 or separate components with a Ryzen 3.2Ghz.

The result of this architecture in the performances will be tremendously powerful!

And it has no reason to believe that SONY is not able to develop a 3x more powerful console than a PS4PRO and at least 2x more powerful than OneX. Not even that will bring the launch to November 2020.
 
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Leocarian

Banned
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I ask EVERYONE to please stop posting here. The discussion is OVER and just going back in circles. Just save the post and come back when PS5 specs are known.

Well I mean..I am having fun, but now we are just running in circles so yes I agree with you. At least its a good way to kill time and express your excitement for these things, but honestly at this point I'd rather talk about E3 2018 where it actually matters and makes more sense to discuss lol.
 
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I ask EVERYONE to please stop posting here. The discussion is OVER and just going back in circles. Just save the post and come back when PS5 specs are known.


Save my hardware forecasts and then charge me! I want to know if I'm close to the truth!
 

mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
It thinks its a pretty low chance and if they did it would pretty much kill any chance at backwards compatibility. Personally though I would like to see them use an Nvidia gpu. Though I'm not sure what they'd use for cpu. It have to be either ARM or Intel. Intel could be too expensive.

Well in that case PLEASE don't use a Nvidia GPU. BC is super important now that we are using x86 processors.
 

bitbydeath

Gold Member
The controller, I'm happy for largely the same design but the big button could become a bit smaller as it is underused, shrink down the light on the back a bit. The screen capture button must stay, and the speaker I would rather be changed out for a Mic.
Otherwise I don't think much else needs changing.
 

Codes 208

Member
The controller, I'm happy for largely the same design but the big button could become a bit smaller as it is underused, shrink down the light on the back a bit. The screen capture button must stay, and the speaker I would rather be changed out for a Mic.
Otherwise I don't think much else needs changing.
This brings up a whole new element to next gen. I feel they really hit the nail on the head with the ds4. A HUGE improvement over the ds3 and six axis. All i want is a better battery life, remove or diminish the lightbar and touchpad and bam. Perhaps lengthen the analogs and make them out of a more suitable rubber like the xbo's analogs. But please sony stick the the concave design and emphasis on the R2/L2 (versus R1/L1 of last gen)
 

Zannegan

Member
The controller, I'm happy for largely the same design but the big button could become a bit smaller as it is underused, shrink down the light on the back a bit. The screen capture button must stay, and the speaker I would rather be changed out for a Mic.
Otherwise I don't think much else needs changing.

I don't want a radical departure, but I'm really hoping for grip buttons/paddles in addition to minor tweaks to the controller. This needs to become a standard feature of all traditional controller layouts going foreward, IMO. I'm so tired of taking my thumb off the stick to jump in an FPS, though a lot of other genres would benefit as well.

I'd also like to see either Microsoft or Sony take a risk and replace their right stick with a low-latency touchpad. I in no way expect it though. Attitudes towards controller design are pretty entrenched to the point that even mostly cosmetic changes are treated like Wii remote-style departures. I remember a lot of negativity around the DS4's touch button, so a full on touchpad would get a lot of negative kneejerk reactions. Again though, it would be great for a lot of genres, especially FPSs.
 

Codes 208

Member
Yeah i dont either...i took them off my elite controller because my pinkies kept pressing them by accident, and overall theyre just not that comfortable. I would love a Asymmetrical controller for first shooters but thats as far as ill go, but preferably as a spin-off controller than the main controller.
 
Can anyone tell me if on PS5 the artificial intelligence of an Ellie or the son of Kratos as helpers in gameplay will be wiser and smarter ??? If Kratos' son and Ellie in the current generation are smarter during the gameplay than they are in the past generation this will be a major breakthrough. But you can imagine how smart they will be during the gameplay on PS5 ??? Faces! With this CPU Ryzen or Zen 2/3 the new consoles will be true colossal !!! I want to see advanced AI!
 

Leocarian

Banned
Can anyone tell me if on PS5 the artificial intelligence of an Ellie or the son of Kratos as helpers in gameplay will be wiser and smarter ??? If Kratos' son and Ellie in the current generation are smarter during the gameplay than they are in the past generation this will be a major breakthrough. But you can imagine how smart they will be during the gameplay on PS5 ??? Faces! With this CPU Ryzen or Zen 2/3 the new consoles will be true colossal !!! I want to see advanced AI!

I won't lie. AI this gen has been a pure shit show for the most part. I don't think I can even name any games of top of my head that had good AI.
 

Swizzle

Gold Member
The controller, I'm happy for largely the same design but the big button could become a bit smaller as it is underused, shrink down the light on the back a bit. The screen capture button must stay, and the speaker I would rather be changed out for a Mic.
Otherwise I don't think much else needs changing.

I actually like the speaker and hope it stays too, it can be used for way more cases than a mic and it was very very capable for such a tiny speaker (surprisingly good quality sound).
 

TLZ

Banned
I actually like the speaker and hope it stays too, it can be used for way more cases than a mic and it was very very capable for such a tiny speaker (surprisingly good quality sound).
Agreed. I am pleasantly surprised everytime.
 

Leak

Member
Can anyone tell me if on PS5 the artificial intelligence of an Ellie or the son of Kratos as helpers in gameplay will be wiser and smarter ??? If Kratos' son and Ellie in the current generation are smarter during the gameplay than they are in the past generation this will be a major breakthrough. But you can imagine how smart they will be during the gameplay on PS5 ??? Faces! With this CPU Ryzen or Zen 2/3 the new consoles will be true colossal !!! I want to see advanced AI!

AI in videogames isn't about raw power, is about working in a variety of routines and different possible and "natural" behaviors for the entities in changing scenarios.

There's plenty information about original Ellie AI planning but they just discarded all of it and made him invisible to enemies when in "stealth mode" because it was "too expensive to make". The truth is, Ellie's AI is one of the worst I've seen, she didn't even try to hide. In the other hand, same generation console Xbox 360 delivered Halo Reach, with probably the most advanced enemy AI, and its CPU was noticeably worse than the Cell.

Anyway, TLOU won much prizes and recognition, even by its tech, being a game with a very ordinary gameplay, so I just lost hope in seeing games with an AI over (or even near) Reach's one. Even Halo 4 and 5 have a much worse AI than Halo Reach. I really don't expect a better AI easily in ten more years. It's sad but... Only a few of us seem to value the evolution of the gameplay.
 

Ar¢tos

Member
Isn't AI mostly cpu dependent? In that case is understandable that AI hasn't been great this gen... current consoles cpu lack a bit in that department .
I don't know much about programming, but I have always heard that AI programming very time consuming, and publishers don't like that.
 
AI in videogames isn't about raw power, is about working in a variety of routines and different possible and "natural" behaviors for the entities in changing scenarios.

There's plenty information about original Ellie AI planning but they just discarded all of it and made him invisible to enemies when in "stealth mode" because it was "too expensive to make". The truth is, Ellie's AI is one of the worst I've seen, she didn't even try to hide. In the other hand, same generation console Xbox 360 delivered Halo Reach, with probably the most advanced enemy AI, and its CPU was noticeably worse than the Cell.

Anyway, TLOU won much prizes and recognition, even by its tech, being a game with a very ordinary gameplay, so I just lost hope in seeing games with an AI over (or even near) Reach's one. Even Halo 4 and 5 have a much worse AI than Halo Reach. I really don't expect a better AI easily in ten more years. It's sad but... Only a few of us seem to value the evolution of the gameplay.

Do you believe in a significant generational leap between this gen and the next gen? I know that we will not see somthing like the PS1 ~ PS2 era. But i really think that if the next gen consoles could reach the same performance of an RX VEGA 64, developers will be able to program Beautiful games.
Because this time the consoles will have huge CPUs to help the other components work faster.

What do you think?
(Maybe just the same generational leap from PS3~PS4 in graphics, but with better physics, etc.).
 
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Klik

Member
One thing that is certain is that there's no way they gonna sell PS5 at initial loss like with PS3,or in another words to subsidize it.They had huge losses because of it,took them 4-5years just to break even.Most of the ps3 sold after 3 years when ps3 slim came because original ps3 was so damn expensive.Cerny even said once that was big mistake. So in 2020/2021 whatever you can put together for 399$ is gonna be it.

Honestly why would they release PS5 in 2019? Ps4 currently makes ton of money,there's no rush for them. Xbox1x was basically just released and its no threat to ps4.

Just wait till 2021 and give us:

Custom 8 core 7nm Zen CPU@ 3.0ghz
14 TF gpu(8gb VRAM)
24GB RAM (4GB reserved for OS)

It would be a true generation leap in terms of graphics,physics,destruction,AI,NPC etc. For 399$ i think thats possible in 2021.

Xbox1X is strong but they still need to make games for lowest common denominator,xbox1. When PS5/XB2 releases and the games are made for those specs and take advantage of only that cpu then we are gonna see some awesome looking games.Until then we are screwed with ps4/x1 mobile CPU.
 

demigod

Member
Honestly why would they release PS5 in 2019? Ps4 currently makes ton of money,there's no rush for them. Xbox1x was basically just released and its no threat to ps4.

Just wait till 2021 and give us:

Here we go again. Sony cannot rest on their laurels and allow MS to release a new generation ahead of them again like the 360. PS2 was still selling like hotcakes and look what happened.
 

thelastword

Banned
I actually like the speaker and hope it stays too, it can be used for way more cases than a mic and it was very very capable for such a tiny speaker (surprisingly good quality sound).
I absolutely love that speaker, I think it is one of the best aspects of PS4 this gen........I was blown away by it for Killzone Shadowfall, it was also cool in 1886.....The headphone jack on the controller was also a genius idea, I use this one all the time, especially at night or where language may be a little harsh......The touchpad is also good and had it's best implementation in shadowfall as well, I wish more devs used the touchpad functionality though, most times it just serves as a button to bring up the map in games.
 

Klik

Member
Here we go again. Sony cannot rest on their laurels and allow MS to release a new generation ahead of them again like the 360. PS2 was still selling like hotcakes and look what happened.
Thats true but Sony made a mistake selling ps3 so expensive.If it were priced as xbox 360 they wouldn't lose so many people that switched to x360
 

jammyd1988

Neo Member
Everyone seems so hung up on the specs but what will be will be and I'm sure Mark Cerny will make sure it's far more superior than its predecessor.

I'm more intrigued on the design, I mean that's where Microsoft have got it right the size of the Xbox One X is perfect, I hope the ps5 gets reduced in size as I own the Pro and its a fair old size

As alot of people have stated already, Sony are bringing out some beautiful looking games at the moment, we don't exactly need a new gen as it stands, what's the rush!

People making speculations that it's going to be 20TF are absolute dreamers

Mark Cerney is a clever old man and I'm sure he has this one in the bag but he is not going to create a work of art producing 20TF for a consumer price

I'm not interested to make an speculations on the specs as technology advances so quick and things can change at last minute

theres a few members on here that clearly know what there talking about, I won't name drop but you know who you are

I look forward to hearing closer to the truth about the finished product when you get those dets set in stone

But for now I'm happy to wait and enjoy the great showcase of games in the coming months

Whats your thoughts of the design for this, any ideas?
 

lestar

Member
Isn't AI mostly cpu dependent? In that case is understandable that AI hasn't been great this gen... current consoles cpu lack a bit in that department .
I don't know much about programming, but I have always heard that AI programming very time consuming, and publishers don't like that.

Actually, current AI tecnologies, like deep learning, requires high parallelism, so it would require GPU horsepower beside CPU, so a console that want current industry AI, but without sacrifice Graphic GPU power, it would require a especial chipset for it
 
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Leocarian

Banned
I mean NEXT GEN? Better AI? Something like this? :oops:

When you say NEXT-GEN are you meaning the upcoming God of War and Last of Us on PS4? Cause those are next-gen titles in those franchises. Or are you talking about a God of War on PS5 and TloU 3 on PS5?

I am assuming its gonna have better AI obviously, but how much smarter is a different story. Halo 1 had amazing AI still to this day and so did F.E.A.R and Condemned: Criminal Origins and those games are over a decade old.
 

Bluntman

Member
Money post......Not just that, but the XBONEX has 12GB of RAM, but a console launching in November of 2020 is only going to make do with 16GB???..........So whilst you have only a few games doing 4k textures now and even in these cases you have dynamic textures, see-saw lods and cases of low rez variations in these very games. Next gen will have a higher installment of 4k textures across the board for it's games, but not just that, you will see less inconsistencies and variable quality textures in said games too........I'm also pretty sure that we will see textures hit 8k in select titles and some indie and AA games will hit 8k resolution, so lots of memory/bandwidth is important.....

Next gen will see higher quality PBR and materials work, much larger worlds, you need a good bit of memory to keep those assets in memory and minimize loadtimes and to prevent too much cordoning of levels etc.....Also, look at how things have evolved in the console gamespace, people want to multitask so much these days on consoles. I'm pretty sure having your game running simul with a few more apps is another thing we will see more of. I believe you can have a game and 1 app running on PRO simultaneously, but I'm pretty sure people will want more next gen.....Look at all the demands people make in firmware threads as a guide, they want better browsers, they want their skype up, they want better/faster broadcasting and media tools whilst they game.....I think this gen, if XBONEX is pushing 12GB for it's current games and OS offerings, you will need much more as things evolve for a new generation.....

As I said before, we will see lots of improvements to GPU's and CPU's this year in terms of advancement, that's up to Dec 2018, then we have a whole other year of advancements to come after that up to Dec of 2019, then after that, we have another 11 months of advancements to come to November of 2020 when the PS5 launches....If anything, I think my predictions are quite conservative.....relative to the advancements/roadmaps forecasted in the silicon space....

Let's be clear here, the mining craze won't have a hold on the industry too much longer, since there are dedicated cards coming for these guys.....Miners don't need 16Gb of Vram on their GPU's, neither do they need many of the gaming eccentric features...., so less cost to the manufacturers, It's a win win for Nvidia/AMD, miners will have to buy their mining cards and AMD/NV can just block mining features on their gaming GPU's through firmware.....So less overused cards will hit the market and prevent gamers from purchasing new etc....and of course, gamers can resume purchasing their product at MSRP.....So there's a lot that is going to improve.....There's is still the issue of memory and it's price, but that too will abate because there's going to be lots of choice on the market in a minute.....Who knows, the future 7nm Vega's may very well use GDDR6, but apart from GDDR6, the market is about to get lots of choices from HBM3, to DDR5, to LPDDR5, even 10nm DDR4 can be utilized to swap some apps in an OS......The point is, the tech industry is not at a stagnation point, there is lots that is going to improve and change in the next 2-3 years....

You really don't need more than 16GB of RAM for games. HBCC essentially quarters the VRAM required.

I can see an additional +4GB of slow and cheap RAM for OS and multitasking.
 

DonJimbo

Member
So with this rumours floating around we can expect the ps5 and nextbox between 2019 and 2020 with the reveal this year and next year around e3
 

Leocarian

Banned
Everyone seems so hung up on the specs but what will be will be and I'm sure Mark Cerny will make sure it's far more superior than its predecessor.

I'm more intrigued on the design, I mean that's where Microsoft have got it right the size of the Xbox One X is perfect, I hope the ps5 gets reduced in size as I own the Pro and its a fair old size

As alot of people have stated already, Sony are bringing out some beautiful looking games at the moment, we don't exactly need a new gen as it stands, what's the rush!

People making speculations that it's going to be 20TF are absolute dreamers

Mark Cerney is a clever old man and I'm sure he has this one in the bag but he is not going to create a work of art producing 20TF for a consumer price

I'm not interested to make an speculations on the specs as technology advances so quick and things can change at last minute

theres a few members on here that clearly know what there talking about, I won't name drop but you know who you are

I look forward to hearing closer to the truth about the finished product when you get those dets set in stone

But for now I'm happy to wait and enjoy the great showcase of games in the coming months

Whats your thoughts of the design for this, any ideas?

I thought the PS4 looked nice visually, but to be quite honest the italic design of the system makes it hard to plug in cables in the back and its hard to see where the inputs are unless you completely turn it around. Meanwhile, the Xbox One designs are far superior in my opinion. They look modern and easy to plug stuff into, Sony not so much. I think Xbox One S is a very sexy looking console in the white and black and the Scorpio/Xbox One X is extremely impressive for how powerful that box is and how small it is.

I am hoping Sony goes with an ultra-modern design but without any weird edges or silly italics. I also want them to give you more variety of colors to choose from. I am disappointed there is no white Xbox One X :/
 

Leocarian

Banned
So with this rumours floating around we can expect the ps5 and nextbox between 2019 and 2020 with the reveal this year and next year around e3

As I said previously. These consoles will be revealed same year they're coming out. So to answer your questions. No.
 

jammyd1988

Neo Member
I thought the PS4 looked nice visually, but to be quite honest the italic design of the system makes it hard to plug in cables in the back and its hard to see where the inputs are unless you completely turn it around. Meanwhile, the Xbox One designs are far superior in my opinion. They look modern and easy to plug stuff into, Sony not so much. I think Xbox One S is a very sexy looking console in the white and black and the Scorpio/Xbox One X is extremely impressive for how powerful that box is and how small it is.

I am hoping Sony goes with an ultra-modern design but without any weird edges or silly italics. I also want them to give you more variety of colors to choose from. I am disappointed there is no white Xbox One X :/

You couldn't of said it better my friend 😀
 

DonJimbo

Member
Will they come out 2019 or 2020 or not
If yes then they will have the reveal and a holiday launch the same year
 

THE:MILKMAN

Member
As I said previously. These consoles will be revealed same year they're coming out. So to answer your questions. No.

History with Sony tells us everything. PS4 was February>November and Pro was September>November. Ergo PS5 will be between these two amounts i.e. 2 to 9 months. I will be surprised if they revert to 18 months again like MS did with Scorpio.
 
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