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[BANGS]

The corporations are just looking for another excuse to take your money

And again, simple fix... don't give it to them. It's really that simple. I don't like lootboxes in my games either so I don't buy games with them. But the only reason lootboxes exist is because lots of people DO enjoy them, so yes only an asshole would take that away from them just because they don't personally like them. There's more than enough room in this multi billion dollar industry for gamers with all sorts of tastes...

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

And again, simple fix... don't give it to them. It's really that simple. I don't like lootboxes in my games either so I don't buy games with them. But the only reason lootboxes exist is because lots of people DO enjoy them, so yes only an asshole would take that away from them just because they don't personally like them. There's more than enough room in this multi billion dollar industry for gamers with all sorts of tastes...

Right on man legalize cocaine! Why ruin other people's fun?

 

[InterMusketeer]

I like freedom, so the law stepping into my favorite hobby is scary and wrong.

The law already existed. It's just being enforced on video games now after they finally did some research.

For the record: Companies that allow items from lootboxes to be sold for real money on a digital marketplace are engaging in illegal action, as this facilitates online gambling. One could purchase boxes, open them in the hopes of getting something rare to sell, which could get people addicted and in financial trouble, like all gambling. The Dutch authorities thus gave game companies two options: remove the loot boxes from the game entirely, or stop allowing the items contained within to be sold for real money. I don't understand why people are angry about this in this thread. Loot boxes can still exist with very minimal change, companies can still charge money for them, and people are free to purchase them.

 

[Lanrutcon]

Who said anything about them going away? I don't care if they go away or not. I'm not some asshole who thinks that just because I don't like a product it shouldn't exist...

Jesus. Calling people sad, disgusting "Neckbeards" and then claiming you're not just some asshole? I almost choked on my coffee.

If lootboxes impact your game then yes I agree. Free to play games is a different story. If lootboxes are purely cosmetic then who gives a fuck.

I don't think the Dutch law applies to stuff you can't transfer. So 99.9% of F2P lootboxes are completely unaffected.

 

[MMaRsu]

And again, simple fix... don't give it to them.

That's not a fix. And people enjoy lootboxes because it has already been proven that it hooks into the human psychology.

That doesn't mean that it's a good system. It's only good for the corporations. And they don't need to be defended.

 

[Dunki]

That's not a fix. And people enjoy lootboxes because it has already been proven that it hooks into the human psychology.

That doesn't mean that it's a good system. It's only good for the corporations. And they don't need to be defended.

Wrong I like it because I think it is a fun thing.Just like a love random loot in Video games. Again you are never forced to buy gems or currency for loot boxes you can always play the game and get it as a reward.

 

[MMaRsu]

There used to be a time, not so fucking long ago, that just by playing the game you would unlock content that you could use ingame. Be it cosmetic or a new mode or character.

I don't understand why y'all would like to be able to purchase a random chance to get a random item lol.

If you could just buy whatever you wanted, how would that not be a better system?

And also still unlocking content by normal playing? You know, like videogames have done for fucking ever?

No lets just normalize these lootboxes and other scummy practices! If you dont like it, just ignore them!

A fun thing? What's inherently fun about it?

 

[Kenpachii]

So for now our only practical alternative is to disable trading and Steam Marketplace transfers for CS:GO and Dota 2 items for Dutch customers. We apologize to you for this inconvenience. We hope that, after more engagement with the Kansspelautoriteit, they may refine their legal demands and we can find a solution that is less inconvenient.

Online gambling is inconvenient guys.

I guess they didn't got the memo from kansspelautoriteit.

It really showcases how scummy valve is as a company.

 

[BANGS]

Right on man legalize cocaine! Why ruin other people's fun?

Lootboxes are as bad as cocaine now... we have a winner folks!

But yes personally I do believe recreational drugs should be legal, but that's a whole different argument I'd rather not get into now...

The law already existed. It's just being enforced on video games now after they finally did some research.

Yes I understand that and I'm not blaming the government on this. They're just enforcing their current anti-freedom laws due to public outcry. I'm just hoping that doesn't spread to the 1st world countries...

Jesus. Calling people sad, disgusting "Neckbeards" and then claiming you're not just some asshole? I almost choked on my coffee.

You are more than welcome to call me an asshole for belittling those that I find repulsive. Free country

That's not a fix. And people enjoy lootboxes because it has already been proven that it hooks into the human psychology.
That doesn't mean that it's a good system. It's only good for the corporations. And they don't need to be defended.

Yes it is indeed a fix. Lootboxes can't hurt you if you don't buy them. I'm not defending corporations here, I'm defending consumer rights. The right to buy lootboxes no differently than we can buy a pack of baseball cards or capsule toys from the quarter machine...

There used to be a time, not so fucking long ago, that just by playing the game you would unlock content that you could use ingame. Be it cosmetic or a new mode or character.

I don't understand why y'all would like to be able to purchase a random chance to get a random item lol.

If you could just buy whatever you wanted, how would that not be a better system?

And also still unlocking content by normal playing? You know, like videogames have done for fucking ever?

No lets just normalize these lootboxes and other scummy practices! If you dont like it, just ignore them!

A fun thing? What's inherently fun about it?

I am with you on most of what you said. I dislike lootboxes in my games, I dislike that paid DLC has replaced cheat codes, I dislike alot of the scummy practices going on in my favorite industry. But we can only change it with our wallets. Unfortunately there are so many casuals who share our hobby that buy into this stuff and make it standard. I just don't buy them, and I've been a happy gamer all my life. I suggest instead of buying shitty games and complaining about them, just stop buying shitty games... Again there is more than enough room in this industry for people who do and don't like lootboxes. Not every game has to cater to you, stop being selfish...

 

[Dunki]

There used to be a time, not so fucking long ago, that just by playing the game you would unlock content that you could use ingame. Be it cosmetic or a new mode or character.

I don't understand why y'all would like to be able to purchase a random chance to get a random item lol.

If you could just buy whatever you wanted, how would that not be a better system?

And also still unlocking content by normal playing? You know, like videogames have done for fucking ever?

No lets just normalize these lootboxes and other scummy practices! If you dont like it, just ignore them!

A fun thing? What's inherently fun about it?

Why do you think I play games like Diablo? Because of the fucking random loot and this is basically the same only that its is not 1000 pieces in an hour but its more rare. Like you get 1 gem each day at least. a new draw for a character costs 5 gems. So if you want to you can get a new character at least every 5 days for login in. By playing you get more gems by clearing stages you get more and many people collect them until they have 50 gems to get 11 draws for characters and at best at a special event which happens every 14 days or so.

So yes these draws at a sugofest are fun to me because I get excited to get a legendary character I like etc.

 

[InterMusketeer]

Yes I understand that and I'm not blaming the government on this. They're just enforcing their current anti-freedom laws due to public outcry. I'm just hoping that doesn't spread to the 1st world countries...

The Netherlands is not a 1st world country?

 

[BANGS]

The Netherlands is not a 1st world country?

It was a joke... I thought it was obvious...

 

[MMaRsu]

Lootboxes cant hurt you if you dont buy them.. lol

just like online passes and drm dont have any negative impact on the industry!

Look further than a household. This shit will continue to infest videogames until there are no more unlocks, cheatcodes are already gone, but hey no harm done right? You are the one being selfish by saying we should just ignore them.

Just ignore them folks and move on!

It's a problematic development when gamers go on to defend the horrible predatory business practices these publishers try again and again.

First they wanted to introduce paid dlc, no more cheatcodes unless you pay for them even in single player games, online passes ( second hand games are killing the industry! ), season passes ( we cant fund our games if you dont buy this shit ahead of time even though you have no idea of the quality of the content ), f2p sheit in 60 dollar games ( lootboxes are an f2p thing, because they had to make money somehow ).

And the worst thing is gamers cheering these companies on.

 

[BANGS]

Lootboxes cant hurt you if you dont buy them.. lol

just like online passes and drm dont have any negative impact on the industry!

That's a horrible leap in logic you just made there. You okay?

DRM can suck if done improperly, and it often is. Again, I don't buy those games so they don't hurt me. Online passes are very rare and I don't often buy used games anyways so I have little experience on the matter...

Look further than a household. This shit will continue to infest videogames until there are no more unlocks, cheatcodes are already gone, but hey no harm done right? You are the one being selfish by saying we should just ignore them

I didn't say you should ignore them, I said you should actively avoid them. Avoiding them means companies aren't getting your money, and they want your money, so they will make products that cater to you. We have companies like CDproject Red capitalizing on our hate of scumbag practices, and they're laughing all the way to the bank with it. I'll say it one last time and I hope it sinks in, there's more than enough room for games that cater to you and games that don't. You don't have to play the games that don't cater to you. Expecting all games to cater to you is selfish. Don't try to flip it on me with your complete lack of logic, it's not going to work...

It's a problematic development when gamers go on to defend the horrible predatory business practices these publishers try again and again.

I'm not defending the practices, as stated a few times I don't like them myself. I'm defending the consumer's right to buy those games that they like and you don't. Stop being selfish and tyrannical. You aren't king of the forest and you don't get to decide who's allowed to enjoy what in their video games...

 

[Dunki]

I'm not defending the practices, as stated a few times I don't like them myself. I'm defending the consumer's right to buy those games that they like and you don't. Stop being selfish and tyrannical. You aren't king of the forest and you don't get to decide who's allowed to enjoy what in their video games...

Maybe he is a games "journalists" and really believes that he can decide what should and should not be allowed^^

 

[B_Signal]

Loot boxes are not allowed in some countries irrespective of age rating, do I see that correct? You just infer from what I've written that I want free heroin in schools and for pre-schoolers or what? That's not what I was saying. But as an adult I don't want the government telling me at gunpoint (and that's what laws ultimately do) how I am allowed to spend my free time*. I don't particularly care about loot boxes, crates, whatever, but think that every adult should have the free choice about how they spend their money*. Ultimately the question is where the line should be drawn between what's acceptable and what not*, but feel like the whole loot box thing is blown way out of proportion*.

* already existing laws apply

you said "Will the cheers continue when laws start to restrict use of "questionable" items within a game, like drugs or guns, because "think of the children"? " There already are laws, you even acknowledge that yourself, I made a bit of a smart arse comment about there already being age ratings and you've ran away with yourself


BANGS I don't think anyone is saying games should made entirely for them, they're saying that paying for the chance of something is gambling ( MMaRsu is saying it's insidious, which I agree with tbf). That, in and of itself, is fine, but there are laws around gambling. No one is saying all acts of chance should be illegal (or maybe they are, I'm not and I don't think anyone else is). Half the problem in this thread is there are people who are equating the likes of Diablo to paid lootboxes just because they involve some form of chance

 

[radewagon]

Why are consumers defending anti-consumer practices? How much of the cool-aid are you guys drinking? Someone from EA should get you guys on the payroll. Valve too, I guess. They could pay you a monthly salary and you could comment from here to eternity about how everything that's regulated, regardless of the reasons, is bad because democratically elected governments that are entrusted by the public to serve the public should never act on behalf of the public good. Then you can wrap all that up into a nice package of no one being allowed to tell you how to have fun because you, the outlier, actually like playing a one-sided business model that is utilized only as a way to raise revenue by preying on whales with gambling addiction.

Y'all are essentially defending a guy running a 3-card monte table because some people like to play 3-card monte and no one should take away that experience from them.

Honestly, guys, the line has to exist somewhere. I said it earlier. Some practices don't deserve to be defended. Lootbox saturation has ruined many games. Regardless of the gambling aspects, as fans of gaming, you should be against it from a game design perspective alone. It's a predatory practice that ruins game design.

 

[MrDanGuy]

When ever the government touches consumer choice the consumer suffers. They can’t allow the consumer to have the freedom of choice, and I find it ridiculous.

 

[CaliggyJack]

Steam Marketplace is the one place where it is truly gambling, where won loot can be flipped for monetary value.

I don't get how that is bad honestly.

I love the idea of secondary markets, where certain items can be sold by users for store credit based on their value in the marketplace. However, if the random loot system is eliminated, there goes the secondary market...

I don't get why people hate consumer secondary markets so much. Trading cards do this and they don't get shit on...

 

[Dunki]

Why are consumers defending anti-consumer practices? How much of the cool-aid are you guys drinking? Someone from EA should get you guys on the payroll. Valve too, I guess. They could pay you a monthly salary and you could comment from here to eternity about how everything that's regulated, regardless of the reasons, is bad because democratically elected governments that are entrusted by the public to serve the public should never act on behalf of the public good. Then you can wrap all that up into a nice package of no one being allowed to tell you how to have fun because you, the outlier, actually like playing a one-sided business model that is utilized only as a way to raise revenue by preying on whales with gambling addiction.

Y'all are essentially defending a guy running a 3-card monte table because some people like to play 3-card monte and no one should take away that experience from them.

Honestly, guys, the line has to exist somewhere. I said it earlier. Some practices don't deserve to be defended. Lootbox saturation has ruined many games. Regardless of the gambling aspects, as fans of gaming, you should be against it from a game design perspective alone. It's a predatory practice that ruins game design.

Why not let people decide if they want to or not? I am old enough I can decide for myself. Also the market should decide and not the Government.

 

[BANGS]

@BANGS I don't think anyone is saying games should made entirely for them, they're saying that paying for the chance of something is gambling (@RyuCookingSomeRice is saying it's insidious, which I agree with tbf). That, in and of itself, is fine, but there are laws around gambling. No one is saying all acts of chance should be illegal (or maybe they are, I'm not and I don't think anyone else is). Half the problem in this thread is there are people who are equating the likes of Diablo to paid lootboxes just because they involve some form of chance

The guy I was debating certainly heavily implied it. I am not here to discuss gambling laws and such. I disagree with them but that's a whole different issue. I'm here to defend people's right to play the games they want no matter how shitty said games are...

 

[radewagon]

Why not let people decide if they want to or not? I am old enough I can decide for myself. Also the market should decide and not the Government.

Because government regulations on gambling aren't written for Dunki. They are written to prevent the exploitation of people, who through no fault of their own, are more susceptible to the tactics used by places like casinos to take advantage of people with gambling addiction.

It's not about you.

 

[BANGS]

hrough no fault of their own

stahp...

Why are consumers defending anti-consumer practices?

You mean anti-consumer as in not letting the consumer buy what they want?

 

[Dunki]

Because government regulations on gambling aren't written for Dunki. They are written to prevent the exploitation of people, who through no fault of their own, are more susceptible to the tactics used by places like casinos to take advantage of people with gambling addiction.

It's not about you.

It affects me also it is also about me. I will say it again. I paid tons of money for these damn sticker World cup collections. I spend more than I even normally had begging for more money etc. I made shady deals in schools that were to my disadvantage to get the complete collection. It was like a drug to me.

This however never was and what I want is just the same treatment for the same items or services. Why is this too hard to understand. Also GOV regulations prevent me from playing Dying light in Germany so YEAH fuck censorship.

 

[jshackles]

It affects me also it is also about me. I will say it again. I paid tons of money for these damn sticker World cup collections. I spend more than I even normally had begging for more money etc. I made shady deals in schools that were to my disadvantage to get the complete collection. It was like a drug to me.

This however never was and what I want is just the same treatment for the same items or services. Why is this too hard to understand. Also GOV regulations prevent me from playing Dying light in Germany so YEAH fuck censorship.

So you're comparing government censorship of content to government regulations on gambling? Ok.

The government regulations here aren't saying "You can't do this." They're saying "If you do this, you have to follow these gambling guidelines for the sake of public health." Valve is unable or unwilling to follow said guidelines, so their reaction is to simply pull the plug on everything so they don't have any guidelines to meet.

Do you understand that gambling addiction is a very real affliction that has destroyed people's lives in very real ways?

 

[Dunki]

So you're comparing government censorship of content to government regulations on gambling? Ok.

The government regulations here aren't saying "You can't do this." They're saying "If you do this, you have to follow these gambling guidelines for the sake of public health." Valve is unable or unwilling to follow said guidelines, so their reaction is to simply pull the plug on everything so they don't have any guidelines to meet.

Do you understand that gambling addiction is a very real affliction that has destroyed people's lives in very real ways?

I do not see this as gambling. I see it on the same level as hell jede Stickers since they fulfill the same requirements as loot boxes. Gambling is poker etc. this is not

 

[jshackles]

I do not see this as gambling. I see it on the same level as hell jede Stickers since they fulfill the same requirements as loot boxes. Gambling is poker etc. this is not

Do you believe slot machines are gambling? This is a digital slot machine. You put in money (in this particular instance, $3) and are given a guaranteed payout of a digital item that can be sold back for between $0.01 and $2,000.00. Just like a casino, the payout is given as credit to incentivize further attempts.

You could start with $3 and end up with millions. Or you could start with millions and end up with nothing. That sounds like gambling to me.

 

[MMaRsu]

Maybe he is a games "journalists" and really believes that he can decide what should and should not be allowed^^

How is my expressing criticism of this annoying predatory lootbox f2p game shit that doesn't have ANY place in a full priced game, deciding for anyone what is and what isn't allowed? Lol, how am I deciding anything for anyone? Hilarious.

This law is a great first step, get this bullshit out of full priced games.

 

[MMaRsu]

Gambling regulations are not censorship. If you misunderstand the two then I'd suggest go read up on what censorship actually is and how it's not the same as laws that regulate gambling practices.

 

[Dunki]

How is my expressing criticism of this annoying predatory lootbox f2p game shit that doesn't have ANY place in a full priced game, deciding for anyone what is and what isn't allowed? Lol, how am I deciding anything for anyone? Hilarious.

This law is a great first step, get this bullshit out of full priced games.

We are not talking about full price games...

 

[Dunki]

Do you believe slot machines are gambling? This is a digital slot machine. You put in money (in this particular instance, $3) and are given a guaranteed payout of a digital item that can be sold back for between $0.01 and $2,000.00. Just like a casino, the payout is given as credit to incentivize further attempts.

You could start with $3 and end up with millions. Or you could start with millions and end up with nothing. That sounds like gambling to me.

NO it is not...

A slot machine also has a failure and you not getting anything. In lootboxes there is ALWAYS something in there. And AGAIN Ibought someof these stickers for 5 times the actual amount as kid.... Same goes with figurines for these Eggs. You can buy some of them for 1000$

 

[CaliggyJack]

Is no one going to address the fact that the removal of loot boxes in CSGO will effectively kill the secondary market?

A lot of the games I enjoy were bought using funds from selling skins. Without this secondary market I wouldn't have been able to enjoy those games. I don't want it to go away.

 

[tryDEATH]

It is finally happening, this is a great first step. I really want to see how EA will react to this with their FUT modes and if they will change their initial stance of still including them as they indicated earlier this year.

It is also quite amazing that they went straight for the jugular with this move targeting the biggest gaming platform and hitting 2 of their biggest products. They are clearly not playing around, with this and I hope the EU soon adopts this stance.

The sooner loot-boxes disappear the better for gaming, they had their run and made absurd amounts of money through shady and exploitative tactics.

 

[jshackles]

NO it is not...

A slot machine also has a failure and you not getting anything. In lootboxes there is ALWAYS something in there. And AGAIN Ibought someof these stickers for 5 times the actual amount as kid.... Same goes with figurines for these Eggs. You can buy some of them for 1000$

If we can't agree on what exactly constitutes gambling then I don't think either of us will make much headway into changing the other person's mind.

But I will re-iterate again that this law isn't about censorship - Valve isn't being told that they can't do this, they're being told that if they continue to do this the way they have in the past they will be fined. If Valve had a mechanism in place to verify the legal age of it's users that satisfied the government requirements, people of a legal age would be allowed to continue unabated as long as Valve paid the proper taxes on the endeavor. In this case, it looks like Valve would rather just not bother.

 

[WaterAstro]

I don't get how that is bad honestly.

I love the idea of secondary markets, where certain items can be sold by users for store credit based on their value in the marketplace. However, if the random loot system is eliminated, there goes the secondary market...

I don't get why people hate consumer secondary markets so much. Trading cards do this and they don't get shit on...

Oh yeah, that's great. If they eliminate loot boxes, them Steam Marketplace will be just fine, but, currently, it's being used for gambling purposes. The idea of getting some value out of earned loot is great, but not if it's from lootboxes.

It's like cd-key selling sites like G2A. They are full of stolen cd keys. G2A can claim innocence all they want, but they are a platform for stolen products. Steam Marketplace is a platform for gambling.

That said, Valve will be making a lot less money without loot boxes, obviously. They are hoping to latch onto the gambling nature of Steam Marketplace with DotA and CS:Go loot boxes.

 

[CaliggyJack]

Oh yeah, that's great. If they eliminate loot boxes, them Steam Marketplace will be just fine, but, currently, it's being used for gambling purposes. The idea of getting some value out of earned loot is great, but not if it's from lootboxes.

It's like cd-key selling sites like G2A. They are full of stolen cd keys. G2A can claim innocence all they want, but they are a platform for stolen products. Steam Marketplace is a platform for gambling.

That said, Valve will be making a lot less money without loot boxes, obviously. They are hoping to latch onto the gambling nature of Steam Marketplace with DotA and CS:Go loot boxes.

But if the randomization of loot boxes is taken away, doesn't that drop the value of the skins being sold?

The only solution I can think of is that Valve implement an in game currency that can only be earned by playing the game. This currency could be used to buy crates and keys. Nothing would change except for the fact that crates and keys would no longer cost real money.

 

[KonradLaw]

The spirit of the law is that loot boxes create a discrepancy in the market. For the same $5, you and I purchase the same loot box, but we get two different items; one item might be worth $6 on the market, and the other $4 on the market. This discrepancy is akin to gambling, which is in violation of the Dutch Betting and Gaming Act.

I guess Magic and the rest of physical card games will be hit next?

 

[Phoenix RISING]

I guess Magic and the rest of physical card games will be hit next?

????????????

 

[LucidFeuer]

Instead of anticipating and having developed decent governance and EULAs themselves, Steam constantly tried to fuck, and fuck, and fuck over users, buyers and publishers alike.

Now they're barely starting to get the stick back...

 

[WaterAstro]

But if the randomization of loot boxes is taken away, doesn't that drop the value of the skins being sold?

The only solution I can think of is that Valve implement an in game currency that can only be earned by playing the game. This currency could be used to buy crates and keys. Nothing would change except for the fact that crates and keys would no longer cost real money.

If the loot box reward is tied to and stays within the game, then it's not gambling anymore, and Steam Marketplace wouldn't be a factor since you can't trade them.

 

[KonradLaw]

????????????

Booster packs for Magic are based on exactly the same principle.

 

[jadedm17]

It's online gambling for 13 year olds.

Yea, I support disabling all trading.

Anything to do with real money and anyone under 18 years old should not have trading between accounts.

I would support anyone who provides credit card and age verification to be able to trade and do what they want, but as I'm aware Valva doesn't have a system like that in place. (Correct me if I'm wrong, but from the whole TMartin CSGO scandal it seemed like anyone on steam, like 13 year olds, could gamble and trade.)

 

[Morinaga]

If I would feel like nitpicking I would have plenty of things here to pull apart. And I don't even need to start with "the universe as we know it will cease to exist, nothing lasts forever". But you conflate ownership with the item being physical or digital (let's discount the fact that every digital item has a physical manifestation in some sort of memory somewhere, stored as a series as 1s and 0s).

Ill be honest, and just say it I'm speechless on how you got onto the universe, things in it, and car ownership out of a list of digital attributes vs real life object attributes. I will need more explanation of the argument you are presenting. Also those 1s and 0s are logical representations of transistor positions, you cant "own" them its physically impossible to my knowledge.

Your first big mistake is that you do not own a game on a disk.

I was referring to "digital" vs "real object" not media on a disk. It was a pretty simple list. Regardless, if I own a disk I can still do all things I mentioned.

Only difference is that one is digital and no is not digital.

That's not really one "difference" and if it was, its a pretty big difference. Functionally the idea of them is similar, but the actual reality is quite different.

 

[Dunki]

Ill be honest, and just say it I'm speechless on how you got onto the universe, things in it, and car ownership out of a list of digital attributes vs real life object attributes. I will need more explanation of the argument you are presenting. Also those 1s and 0s are logical representations of transistor positions, you cant "own" them its physically impossible to my knowledge.



I was referring to "digital" vs "real object" not media on a disk. It was a pretty simple list. Regardless, if I own a disk I can still do all things I mentioned.



That's not really one "difference" and if it was, its a pretty big difference. Functionally the idea of them is similar, but the actual reality is quite different.

No...

This is not how it works. If you buy a disc you do not own the game. You own the license to play it. Mostly you do not even have the legal right to sell it if they put it in their TOS/Eula you have to accept very often before playing. You own the disc but not the content on the disc. That is why stuff like game passes were legal.

 

[Blam]

I don't understand through valve there was no way of selling for actual cash only their steam money which Valve has said a lot has no value. Only through the third party has it been possible to do it. Not sure why valve has to be the one that takes the hardest fall for it.

 

[Phoenix RISING]

I don't understand through valve there was no way of selling for actual cash only their steam money which Valve has said a lot has no value. Only through the third party has it been possible to do it. Not sure why valve has to be the one that takes the hardest fall for it.

There's a steam sale going on right now. If you are using the Steam Market to buy sell and trade digital items, you can use the money accumulated to purchase video games.

The same kind of video games that you would purchase using "real" money to put into your digital wallet.

 

[levyjl1988]

Good games don't need manipulative loot box tactics like this. The rest of the world needs to ban loot boxes. All of these corporate overlords need to go. I'm awaiting the day when politicians support guns and the same guns they support are the ones that kill their family. It's a lesson learned in violence. Same with loot boxes. I'm waiting until it gets to the extreme point where a publisher opens an unmarked box and it explodes. It's an explosive loot box after all. This world is fucked and serious things need to happen for change to happen.

 

[Dunki]

There's a steam sale going on right now. If you are using the Steam Market to buy sell and trade digital items, you can use the money accumulated to purchase video games.

The same kind of video games that you would purchase using "real" money to put into your digital wallet.

Except you do not have the money. I also bought some games with these collection cards you can sell on their marketplace.

 

[Blam]

There's a steam sale going on right now. If you are using the Steam Market to buy sell and trade digital items, you can use the money accumulated to purchase video games.

The same kind of video games that you would purchase using "real" money to put into your digital wallet.

I understand but there's a clear distinction between the 2. You're not able at all to exchange Steam Wallet for real world cash.

 

[iconmaster]

You mean anti-consumer as in not letting the consumer buy what they want?

What percent of the time do you suppose a consumer gets what she wants out of a loot box?