Cato
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You sometimes say racist things.
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You sometimes say racist things.
Barsinister
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bitbydeath
Member
It shouldn't have to be said that physically assaulting someone is worse than someone making you sad by words.
recma12
Member
The first punch was fair game IMO The black guy immediately reacted to a racist insult, kinda like a subconscius reflex.
Anything the black guy did after the first punch (multiple hits to the head, pushing the white guy onto the track) was attempted murder and I hope he goes to jail for it.
No idea whether you can go to jail for racist slurs in the US, but the racist obviously needs to be punished too.
What really surprises me ITT and other on ERA is that so many people think the white guy kinda deserved to die for ...... calling somebody a "n word".
What's wrong with these people?
Anything the black guy did after the first punch (multiple hits to the head, pushing the white guy onto the track) was attempted murder and I hope he goes to jail for it.
No idea whether you can go to jail for racist slurs in the US, but the racist obviously needs to be punished too.
What really surprises me ITT and other on ERA is that so many people think the white guy kinda deserved to die for ...... calling somebody a "n word".
What's wrong with these people?
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
For the "apology"? No. Because I don't feel I have anything to apologize for. If I did then I would though yes.
5secondrulesucks
Banned
he did. he got knocked the fuck out
Papa
Banned
He very often says racist things and retreats behind his victimhood shield.
Barsinister
Banned
I told you why you should apologize. You can't go making people feel foolish with your lies and, when called out, not say you are sorry. If you don't you are no better than the yelling gentleman. At least that's what I think.
recma12
Member
Wouldn't it be better if the guy didn't get knocked out and would be booked by police instead?
If I was him, I'd rather get beaten up once than have a crime a on my record.
tl;dr: Martial law is dumb and has no place in Western civilization
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
I didn't lie. Comparing protesters being attacked for being an asshole is not the same as yelling a slur at someone and getting punched. Those two situations are an ocean apart. The racial aspect of the latter situation changes the dynamic entirely for me personally. One is fairly cut and dry (the racist getting hit) and the other is murky and grey and depends on the context of the situation.
BraveOne
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Bingo
Christopher
Member
The left doesn’t care about the rule of law.
Both parties were wrong here, however the black gentleman had absolutely no right to do what he did, at all.
I just can’t believe people defend violence from the trump hat situation to this I can’t believe violence is defended.
Whatever no matter what I’ll never justify violence, ever.
5secondrulesucks
Banned
well i can admit that taking matters into your own hands like the black guy did is wrong and thats why there are laws in place to stop shit like this happening. you see earlier in the thread i said i personally had no problem with street justice but that my own views are incorrect in society. the problem with people here is they are justifying it for being right and are saying if you can do something bad people can retaliate with a much harsher consequence which is also wrong. once they realize that their personal views on the matter and street justice are irrelevant according to real law the happier theyll be.
Barsinister
Banned
We don't know anything about these two gentlemen. The yeller could be schizophrenic for all we know. To call him a racist is jumping the gun and assuming too much. He could be wrong and not know any better. The puncher could have had a bad day and this was his limit. He could be wrong, but I understand his frustration. If you've ever been at your limit, you'd understand too. At least if you were honest with yourself. I have said my piece I think. I'm feeling the heat lamp again. I hope you all have a good night/day. Try to think better of each other. We're only human, just like Robocop.
BraveOne
Member
Calling someone a nigger is not a tease
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Ahahahaha I'm sorry WHAT???? The guy insulted a black man by using the N-word and you wanna sit there and say that assuming he is a racist is going too far?
I legit don't even know what to say to that lol
BraveOne
Member
Does my dp offend you
Porcile
Member
The white guy used a unnecessarily provocative and offensive word even as the situation got tense and obvious that black guy was ready to throwdown. Dude undressed like a polite Superman and gave him the goods. What was that white guy expecting? Look's like he was looking for trouble. Absolutely no reason for that idiot to say anything. He's lucky he only lost his shitty cap.
5secondrulesucks
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people say fucked up shit in the heat of the moment. people here are saying some violent ass shit towards other people and it gets overlooked. like i said before using a slur is wrong but its not the end all be all. people put too much emphasis on someone saying something. i mean maybe hes a racist or maybe hes just an idiot who decided to use a word to get someone pissed. i mean saying that word is going to get more attention than calling him a lint licker. so if someone just called someone a slur and thats it is worse than telling someone youre going to kill them?
bitbydeath
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Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
If some of your go to words in "the heat of the moment" are racial slurs then I have some shocking news for you
That makes you a racist
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BraveOne
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insult
verb
ɪnˈsʌlt/
- 1.
speak to or treat with disrespect or scornful abuse.
"you're insulting the woman I love"
synonyms offend, give/cause offence to, affront, abuse, be rude to, call someone names, slight, disparage, discredit, libel, slander, malign, defame, denigrate, cast aspersions on, impugn, slur, revile, calumniate; More
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bitbydeath
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Not really, I mean it’s possible they are but it is an extreme label, much like calling someone who starts a fight a murderer.
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BraveOne
Member
You kill someone you're a murderer... you call someone a nigger you're a racist.
In your own little analogy if the person that starts the fight kills them then yes its murder. Murderer has a set meaning
racist
ˈreɪsɪst/
noun
noun: racist; plural noun: racists
- 1.
a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.
"I had a fear of being called a racist"
synonyms:racial bigot, racialist, xenophobe, chauvinist; More
murderer
ˈməːd(ə)rə/
noun
- a person who commits murder.
"convicted murderers"
There is a much wider scope in the term racist
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Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
That is not even remotely the same thing. Starting a fight doesn't make you are murderer. Killing people makes you a murderer.
You know what makes you a racist? Using racial slurs to refer to people.
recma12
Member
I have been at my limit and actually did punch somebody in the heat of the moment once.
And again, I'm cool with the first punch that was thrown, totally understand it. What I'm not cool with EVER is punching somebody who's lying on the ground and not even defending himself.
5secondrulesucks
Banned
nah i wouldnt say so. i think a lot of emphasis among certain things like news and such is making a narrative of racism but there is some real goddamn racism. i would say you arent the best at having a convo because you cant see between the lines and automatically shout something. i mean ive been cooking up logic in this thread like no ones business and no one has proven me wrong yet
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SLoWMoTIoN
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Sucker punch is a cheap pokemon move ok
Dark type
Dark type
bitbydeath
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haxan7
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This is my boy here and he's been talking some real sense. Listen to him pls
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5secondrulesucks
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hell yeah brother
bitbydeath
Member
It goes a lot deeper than that or everyone on the planet would be racist and probably not even know it.
Ever laughed at an Irish joke?
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BraveOne
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Synonyms are similar words but not always the same. Key example is Tease and Insult
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
We have arrived at a point where we are arguing if using the N-word to insult a black person is racist or not. Thats too fucking ridiculous and stupid even for me.
Thats my cue to leave.
Thats my cue to leave.
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bitbydeath
Member
Labelling is part of the problem.
You gotta be better than that.
Deal with the actual problems rather than trying to fit everything into a single bucket.
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BraveOne
Member
Its pretty clear from this thread that white people are just dying on the inside to start using the term nigger.
bitbydeath
: "hey .. its just a tease some playful fun... I call all my black friends nigger"
bitbydeath
: "hey .. its just a tease some playful fun... I call all my black friends nigger"Who said that? But being a racist asshole does not mean you can violently attack someone. Even racist people are protected by law.
And for your whole argument befor regarding the Antifa guy being punched.
1. Antifa started the whole attack in Portland they were the agressor
2. The guy reacted to a attack with a bat? or if it was not a bat a weapon. What he in the end did was self-defense with one punch.
here self-defense does not work and while the racist guy was the agressor the suckerpunch was not ok at all. Again both are bad guys but can we please agree that it is worse to violently attack someone than someone who calls other people names? Why can we not even get to this level of agreement?
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Don't physically threaten people on my forum. Ever. Thanks.
bitbydeath
Member
Its pretty clear from this thread thatwhitepeople are just dying on the inside to start using the term nigger.
I typically just use first names personally.
recma12
Member
I'm white and really don't ever want to use that word. If I ever use it, I expect to get punched or get the police called on me. I don't want to get killed because of it.
Vicetrailia
Member
Mike Kemper, a Ukrainian Village resident, said he witnessed the incident and heard the punched man use several racial slurs before he was hit. When the man was knocked onto the tracks, a black man came over to help him up — but the punched man then yelled racial slurs at the helper and “pretty much anybody he could,” Kemper said.
Someone who appeared to be the man’s friend “dragged” him away from the situation, Kemper said. The man appeared intoxicated, Kemper said.
Bystanders spoke to the two black men — including the one who punched the man — who had been the target of the man’s slurs, asking if they were OK and trying to calm them down.
“Everybody was pretty much on their side,” Kemper said. “Everybody pretty much just made they were all right [after] getting verbally abused and whatnot.”
People told the men, “‘That was kind of crazy. What you did was justified.’ He was being insanely racist to everybody,” Kemper said.
Someone who appeared to be the man’s friend “dragged” him away from the situation, Kemper said. The man appeared intoxicated, Kemper said.
Bystanders spoke to the two black men — including the one who punched the man — who had been the target of the man’s slurs, asking if they were OK and trying to calm them down.
“Everybody was pretty much on their side,” Kemper said. “Everybody pretty much just made they were all right [after] getting verbally abused and whatnot.”
People told the men, “‘That was kind of crazy. What you did was justified.’ He was being insanely racist to everybody,” Kemper said.
BraveOne
Member
It doesn't matter which way you walked it back later. Keep it civil. You're on perm warning.
You is being used figuratively not in the literal way. I cleared that up in a later post
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Wait did I read that wrong? They were on the mens side? Really? Fuck the world
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Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
I am not talking about that. Scroll up. You have people in here questioning if the guy should be labeled a racist. Thats what I am referring to. I have seen some mental gymnastics on the internet before, but trying to make a case that someone who insulted a black person with the N-word might not be racist is one of the more ridiculous things I have ever seen.
There are sign of that. Intoxicate, ,tourette syndrome, mental instabil etc. Does it fall into that? At least we know he was drunk.
Or how someone argued he just had a bad day since this was also a justification for the men hitting the racist guy.
edit: Also this is no excuse for it either. Being drunk is your own responsibility but being racist also means a lot more than just saying a word.
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LegendOfKage
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If you're the racist, the black guy is the asshole. If you're the racist, the people who support the black guy are the assholes. And to him, those people are the ones who don't have the right to be assholes. This is just the reality of dehumanizing extremists to the point where you support them being physically harmed. But that's a two-way street, and violence is just going to lead to more violence.
If you live "don't generalize people," if you live "treat everyone the same," you are the change you want to see in the world, you're not a hypocrite, and no one can truthfully claim some form of bias, or favoritism, or political agenda. All the us vs them bullshit ends there. "My only problem with YOU is your problem with me" stops us vs them, and it becomes about the "YOU" (in this case, the racist) who is unwilling to not be a hypocrite.
If you live "us vs them," if you live "I support violence against assholes," then you're building an acceptance that violence is okay as long as the target is a bad person, and that WILL be used against you. That's the "they send one of ours to the hospital, we'll send one of theirs to the morgue" mentality.
However, if I have any pity for a racist who was punched after calling someone a racial slur, it's not because he was punched. It's because he's a racist. He was raised or taught to hate and generalize complete strangers, and that's a horrible burden to carry though life.
While I don't feel sorry he was punched ("because honestly, fuck that guy" does come into play here) I do feel sorry that the experience is just going to reinforce his hate, justify his prejudices, be used to victimize the racist, be used to recruit more racists, and be used to justify his own more violent and hateful actions later on.
If a racist is calling you a slur because they obviously want a reaction out of you, I can't think of a more efficient way of giving them what they want than to physically attack them.
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5secondrulesucks
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there is no mental gymnastics going on. ill say people say fucked up shit and i wouldnt say they are racist because there goes in a lot to actually being a fucking racist. it totally brings down the impact for people who actually are racist and do racist things. having this huge umbrella to include just moronic people isnt helping anything.
Vicetrailia
Member
His drunk ass was terrorizing everyone. Don't start none, won't be none.