Can't wait for trans legolas and Whoopi Goldberg to play Gandalf. Here's an early prediction: They're going to make Aragorn black.
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Can't wait for trans legolas and Whoopi Goldberg to play Gandalf. Here's an early prediction: They're going to make Aragorn black.
MrRogers
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Its going to clash with the asthetics of the games and books to be certain, but it makes sense. TV and movies have been completely overrun by progressive diversity agents. There will never again be a european fantasy series like peter jacksons LOTR trilogy. Source material can be shat on when and if needed according to these hacks. Oh and slavs arent a minority? GTFO. They represenr a minority in pop culture as well as global population of a few percent at best. There are more nigerians in the world than slavs.
Dontero
Banned
Oh boy people are going bananas from what i see and i can see why.
When she was chosen to be show runner many people already noticed she was fucking weird on twitter but she got ok from fans after this:
That twitter post didn't age well...
How to fuck up your movie based on established series of books:
- fuck with the fans
- change source material
After everything is done and show fails blame it on stupid fans.
Can't wait to see Nilfgard which was based on Holy Roman Empire to be African kingdom. And since they will be black they will also have to change probably a lot of lore about them because in lore Nilfgard are invaders who invade northern kingdoms which would be white so black people attacking white people and those people will be using words like "black ones" which with HRE context didn't have any racial context.
Or they can go into making elves black but this would be even more fucked up because they are the ones who invade and destroy world in lore so obviously this also would have to be changed because portrayal of black people as invaders would be very bad thing no ?
I mean making Geralt black and it would make much more sense than Ciri because he was just random orphan and it would be better fit considering how people either way react to geralt.
Congratz i guess this will be another:
When she was chosen to be show runner many people already noticed she was fucking weird on twitter but she got ok from fans after this:
That twitter post didn't age well...
How to fuck up your movie based on established series of books:
- fuck with the fans
- change source material
After everything is done and show fails blame it on stupid fans.
Can't wait to see Nilfgard which was based on Holy Roman Empire to be African kingdom. And since they will be black they will also have to change probably a lot of lore about them because in lore Nilfgard are invaders who invade northern kingdoms which would be white so black people attacking white people and those people will be using words like "black ones" which with HRE context didn't have any racial context.
Or they can go into making elves black but this would be even more fucked up because they are the ones who invade and destroy world in lore so obviously this also would have to be changed because portrayal of black people as invaders would be very bad thing no ?
I mean making Geralt black and it would make much more sense than Ciri because he was just random orphan and it would be better fit considering how people either way react to geralt.
Congratz i guess this will be another:
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
No, no, no, Idris Elba needs to play all the roles!
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Dontero
Banned
Yeah let's make Nilfgard African kingdom instead of Holy Roman Empire, and since they will be black then Zerrikania wouldn't exist or they would be completely change so that story about Thea and Vea would make a sense as being "completely different from other people" when that story happened.
Also instead of making Nildgard - Northern Kingdoms just another war, let's make it race war. Where bunch of "black ones" are raping and pillaging whites from north ! OH WAIT. That doesn't sound so good and probably it needs to be changed too. How about making Norther Kingdoms invading Nilfgard instead ?
At which point it will be no longer The Witcher ?
And let us not forget one of key aspects of The Witcher books. Tackling racism. And by that i mean showing white people how it feels to be judged by looks when they feel like Geralt who is outcast amount supposed their own people and is closer to dwarves than his fellow humans.
Key part of my understanding of racism directly comes from The Witcher books when i read it as kid.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Isn't Ceri arguably the most important character in the story too?
Fox Mulder
Member
Whitewashing can be dumb like an Egyptian movie with an all white cast. Disney is being applauded for appropriately casting live action movies like Jungle Book, Aladdin, and Mulan.
I'm not a fan of changing existing characters just to be diverse though. I can still enjoy it if it's good though at the end of the day.
I'm not a fan of changing existing characters just to be diverse though. I can still enjoy it if it's good though at the end of the day.
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Geki-D
Banned
Well seeing as they have a long history in that region it would also mean that the the land should therefore be native to a black people. That sort of fucks with the whole nordic mythos. It also means regions and their climates affecting the peoples skin color doesn't for some reason, apply to this universe. Why are the Nilfgaardians black or just have this black population who are so well integrated they're the ruling force in the land (and again, the royal family goes back so this must mean black people have just sort of always been there with white people in these regions) when the people in the free countries a bit more up north seemingly white (after all Gerald is white in this)? Also what are the Zerrikanis in this and why are they black when apparently black people can just crop up everywhere? Does that mean that every people, in every climate are a random scatter of skin colors or that the majority skin color is pretty much a random factor rather than one based on climate?
I think this kind of thing is ok in a show like Merlin where it's not really all that serious to begin with, but when you apply it to a high fantasy source, you need valid reasons for everything. you can't just have "well there are black people just here, why not?" it just isn't serious.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
It’s incredible how being racists against white people has been commonly accepted because of the self hating leftist SJWs.
Denton
Member
the sad/funny thing being, Elba is awesome charismatic motherfucker. I loved his Luther and Stringer Bell. You know, new great characters written for him. But him playing Roland Deschain or James Bond or say, Geralt?
Fuck. No.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I agree. I like his acting, but just making a joke since he seems to be always brought up as the "default black man" for these race swaps now.
Green Saber
Member
Yeah he is decent but his name comes up way to often, whether it be James Bond or whatever role is being discussed his name seems to pop up.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Green Saber
Member
lol at the reply's saying he should play all the roles and also have him in a wheelchair.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
TheShadowLord
Member
Well you won't see me complaining. Don't really care what they do with race changing rather it is yellow washing or white washing anymore.
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Paracelsus
Member
They probably chose Ciri because she's the Chosen One, and they can use her as a loophole to have very diverse northern kingdoms. It's more or less what they did to Idris Elba (casted to play "The whitest of gods") to feature a multicultural Asgard closer to modern Sweden than anything remotely resembling Asgard.
Corderlain
Banned
Tired of these racists man.
thief183
Member
Sobasically it is "Let's transform something that totally an east european story, based on east european character, and talking about east european mythology (don't have the right word sorry) and make it more 'mmericaa!!!"
I can't even think what polish ppl could think about this.
I can't even think what polish ppl could think about this.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
It is Netflix. This is far from a shocker from them... it is expected at this point, sadly.
DeepEnigma
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bosnianpie
Member
If this is true they're out of their f-king mind. Is there any show these days that can survive this plague? Can we just have a TV series that's about entertaining the audience instead of constantly pandering about progressive ideals?
If not then f- it, include every group out there so no one feels left out. No reason to change only Ciri.
Witcher is the only series I know that is based on Slavic folklore, being a Slav myself I find that very cool. Being true to the source material would be biggest strike for true cultural diversity. But that doesn't count right? White is white and it doesn't matter that there's a bilion white people out there with different ethnicity, nationality and religion. That's not real diversity. What a bunch of morons.
If not then f- it, include every group out there so no one feels left out. No reason to change only Ciri.
Witcher is the only series I know that is based on Slavic folklore, being a Slav myself I find that very cool. Being true to the source material would be biggest strike for true cultural diversity. But that doesn't count right? White is white and it doesn't matter that there's a bilion white people out there with different ethnicity, nationality and religion. That's not real diversity. What a bunch of morons.
Kadayi
Banned
The whole forced diversity thing in the Thor films made me chuckle tbh given Asgard seemingly isn't that big place. Not that I minded all that much because I like Idris Alba and he was cool in the role of Heimdall (and then they just killed him in Infinity War along with most of the Asgard survivors........ :| ) but they've been doing this sort of thing for a while. I remember in Captain America: The First Avenger they couldn't help themselves to ensure that Captains WW2 buddy team hit every notable demographic to the extent that even had a Japanese dude in there despite the fact that the US government interned all US Japanese Citizens during WW2 . It's just one of these 'eye rolling' things that seem to be increasingly part and parcel of modern TV and Film production.
Revolutionary
Member
As long as Triss and Yen are still some fine ass white women then whatever, I guess.
The show will probably suck, anyways. It's Netflix, after all.
The show will probably suck, anyways. It's Netflix, after all.
nkarafo
Member
Source material > diversity.
brap
Banned
Yeah, it's pretty bad that you get used to the way a certain character looks for 3 games then in the series she's a sassy black woman with an afro. People are fans of the Witcher games not necessarily the books so they already have in mind what this character looks like and wants to see this character represented like that on screen. People want the series to look like the games come to life.
Fbh
Member
Well since he is apparently not making bond right now:
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if they end up having black elves
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if they end up having black elves
DarkArterialGore
Member
ruvikx
Banned
The net result will be a stillborn show which is hated by Witcher fans before it's even made (i.e. alienating the fandom = Disney-tier Lucasfilm insanity). I'd also wager 99% of fans are a result of CD Projekt Red's games because they're the standard which elevated the entire Witcher universe to the level of Game of Thrones & other Lord of the Rings. Netflix would be dishonest if they pretended overwise, i.e. The Witcher's fame in 2018 is because of the games & Witcher III Wild Hunt in particular. All these fans have that high standard in their mind & everything Netflix does will be invariably compared (unfavourably so far).
The media, showrunner & politized warrior wing of so-called 'social justice' (an oxymoron term because they're simply race-baiters & there's zero real justice in their agenda) will also predictably label normal, everyday Witcher fans "racist/nazi/gamergate/white supremacist/manbabies" when they naturally complain about black Ciri despite the fact The Witcher already was about 'racism' against non-humans & minorities to a large extent. This bullying tactic (as seen a thousand times before in recent years, i.e. see Star Wars The Last Jedi) will be entirely self-defeating & be the equivalent of pouring gasoline on race relations by antagonizing people for no logical reason whatsoever. Yesterday's "I don't care about race" will become tomorrow's "fuck off forced diversity". See Trump & his election as a direct example of this alienating phenomenon which has become the far left's only area of expertise, i.e. "achieving" the exact opposite of their goal because their decisions, tactics & mentality stinks.
Game of Thrones is a good example to follow in this case because the show respected the demographic makeup of Westeros (to a large degree, anyway) & its "people of color" have logical backgrounds. For example wildlings & men of the watch = white, Dothraki = Arabian. That respected the books & it also made sense. The same so-called 'nazis' (who'll be labelled as such) who rightfully say a black Ciri is bullshit are also more likely than not people who enjoy Game of Thrones & other shows with plenty of empowered non-white characters. Go figure.
A black Ciri (if it does happen, i.e. I still hope it doesn't) isn't just "ticking a diversity box" either because there would be plenty of methods in which black characters could be introduced into the series in a respectful, logical way. No, this decision would be simply subverting The Witcher & weaponizing it in today's socio political climate just to stick a fork in the eye of their perceived 'enemy'. It will be intended as an insult & will be received as such ("in your face you fucking racist whiteys!"), but not just by a minority of Alt-Righters, no, by a majority of actual normies who just wanted the fucking Witcher series to respect the source material & their high hopes based upon the stellar games (I imagine plenty of non-white Witcher fans would also want Ciri to remain as she is in the books & games as well).
Scopa
The Tribe Has Spoken
Very well said mate.
KonradLaw
Member
yeah, if you look at twitter reactions the people who hate it are not only bigger group, but also far more diverse. People defending this crap are mostly white folks, which is utter bizzaro world.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
This is getting ridiculous.
ruvikx
Banned
Quote from the article:
Fine, why not a white or asian Black Panther? It's all just fiction, right? Hell, Black Panther wasn't even written by a black person, so more reason to diversify the fantasy land of Wakanda. If Nilfgaard & the Northern Realms are going to be diversified, so can Wakanda. #representationmatters
Imagine the meltdown from the same crowd who're pushing for black Ciri? Their corners of the Internet would literally explode & they'd also naturally handwave accusations of hypocrisy with the now ubiquitous "racism = prejudice + power", but really, who are they kidding?
That article is even more out of touch with reality considering the author links to a reddit page just to show those "evilwhitesupremacistnaziracists" complaining about black Ciri... yet they're the actual fans aka paying customers of the Witcher games who'd naturally watch the show. Moral of the story? Get woke go broke etc.
KonradLaw
Member
Yep. Black Panther actually showed how to add diversity, by having new white characters, instead of subverting Wakanda. Witcher world has people of color. No reason why you couldn't make a new character from those lands if you absolutely need to add diverisity.
What they're doing is so self defeating. It's like those producers got stuck in 80s and 90s business wise, while trying to be woke from 2018. In 80s and 90s fans weren't organized. in 90s they got into web, but they still clustered around specific forums and websites with little contact from outside world. Social media revolution changed that. Suddenly those fans had access to general public. Which is why deliberetelly pissing them off is absolutely terrible idea. The entire point of using popular IP is because it's popular among fans, so they can generate hype and excitement to influence general public. But if you piss those fans off them you're doing the opposite. They will show their dissapoitment and show it hard. Instead of hype and good buzz you will have social media filled with anger and disgust. And woke journalists and SJWs won;t be able to offset this.
So bassicaly all they're doing is deliberatelly torpedoing their own chances of success. It makes no sense. And it's not like you will even achieve any progressive goal. Instead you will actually strenghten racial tensions and create more division.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
I don't really care about Ciri's skin color, but I am annoyed that BAME is an actual acronym. Also, I'm a little disappointed to hear that Geralt isn't the lead character. Do we really need another story about a strong teenage girl?
Dontero
Banned
?? Show will be about short stories collection. This show will be mostly about Geralt. Ciri i that time was like 12-13 year old which means she can't be lead.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Dontero
Banned
lead probably comes from later events where Ciri is main protagonist for most of novels and by that time actress should grow up then.
Have you read books ? Something tells me you don't. Short stories are mostly about Geralt while novels are mostly about Ciri. Short stories have overarching structure where Geralt end up tied down to Ciri by end of those stories and this is where novels start.
If you get all short stories and novel together Ciri has more screen time than any other character.
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Ciri isn't a slav, though, she's a Nilfgaardian. Nilfgaard is loosely based on the Holy Roman Empire, but for the purposes of the story of The Witcher, it is a distant kingdom on the outer reaches of the lands discussed in its lore, and its people are regarded as a distinctly separate ethnicity from those in, say, Rivia or Temeria that are meant to be based on slavic people in northern Poland.
And I think the fact that there's confusion about that supports the casting choice. In the world of The Witcher, just like in real life medieval Europe, there was no such thing as "white identity," because most people weren't even really aware than non-whites existed. They didn't distinguish "race" by skin color, because there was no diversity of skin color, but they would very much regard someone like Ciri as being of another "race." The idea of "whiteness" as a racial identity or even of "Europe" as anything resembling the present-day region doesn't really exist until after the Rennaissance.
So it makes a lot of sense to cast her character as someone who the audience will intuitively understand is "foreign" to the other characters of the show. It works on a story level.
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Dontero
Banned
Emhyr wasn't from nilfgard initially, his province was conquered by nilfgard after he war born if i remember properly.
But overall you are right.
Nilfgard is based on Holy (not holy) Roman (german) Empire (kingdom) while Northern Kingdoms were heavily influenced by regions around poland and arthurian myths (Sapkowski is arthurian nerd)
This is why for example some of kings there had slavic sounding names in books.
Bestiary was also inspired a lot on slavic mythology.
Ard Skelling on sweden/norway and so on.
But overall you are right.
Nilfgard is based on Holy (not holy) Roman (german) Empire (kingdom) while Northern Kingdoms were heavily influenced by regions around poland and arthurian myths (Sapkowski is arthurian nerd)
This is why for example some of kings there had slavic sounding names in books.
Bestiary was also inspired a lot on slavic mythology.
Ard Skelling on sweden/norway and so on.
Vade
Member
Well if they are not going to follow the books then does that mean is Triss going to have the same low cut shirts/dress from the games. Triss in the books would never wear anything low cut that would show her chest as she was badly burned by a fireball in the book. This is the real issue guys....
Oh boy people are going bananas from what i see and i can see why.
When she was chosen to be show runner many people already noticed she was fucking weird on twitter but she got ok from fans after this:
That twitter post didn't age well...
How to fuck up your movie based on established series of books:
- fuck with the fans
- change source material
After everything is done and show fails blame it on stupid fans.
Can't wait to see Nilfgard which was based on Holy Roman Empire to be African kingdom. And since they will be black they will also have to change probably a lot of lore about them because in lore Nilfgard are invaders who invade northern kingdoms which would be white so black people attacking white people and those people will be using words like "black ones" which with HRE context didn't have any racial context.
Or they can go into making elves black but this would be even more fucked up because they are the ones who invade and destroy world in lore so obviously this also would have to be changed because portrayal of black people as invaders would be very bad thing no ?
I mean making Geralt black and it would make much more sense than Ciri because he was just random orphan and it would be better fit considering how people either way react to geralt.
Congratz i guess this will be another:
I'm not really sure how the genetic makeup of Nilfgaard is all that important though. I think if they full-tilt reframe Nilfgaard as Africa, that's a pretty huge change, but if they're simply casting people with darker skin in those roles as a way to signify that they're from a far away land and have a distinct ethnic identity, then I don't think it's a betrayal of the source at all, and it helps to reinforce the existing themes of race and ethnic politics.
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iorek21
Member
It was obvious that this series was going to get the SJW treatment from the beginning
I hope I'm wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised if this failed hard...
SJW pandering is going to get more and more hate as time goes on, hope producers and game developers understand this coming trend before destroying some important IP
I hope I'm wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised if this failed hard...
SJW pandering is going to get more and more hate as time goes on, hope producers and game developers understand this coming trend before destroying some important IP
It already destroyed Star Wars...