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[Terrible_Majesty]

Imagine if they greenlighted PT and Deep Down...200 million guaranteed

Congratulations Sony!

 

[Terrible_Majesty]

Next gen is going to be the most boring gen ever for consoles.

Every game you can think off could already be done on current gen consoles at reduced graphics that is of course. We are going to be more and more limited by vision and idea's rather then hardware to hold us back.

Sadly creative input is the limitation we got currently going already.

Very true. Maybe by that time Nintendo will finally catch up in the hardware department and their games will be on par graphically with PS5/XBOXTWO

 

[onQ123]

Next gen is going to be the most boring gen ever for consoles.

Every game you can think off could already be done on current gen consoles at reduced graphics that is of course. We are going to be more and more limited by vision and idea's rather then hardware to hold us back.

Sadly creative input is the limitation we got currently going already.

I think the DS5 controller will attempt to change gameplay again but devs will probably ignore it if it's not standard across PS5 & Xbox Next

 

[EtherMagic]

I think the DS5 controller will attempt to change gameplay again but devs will probably ignore it if it's not standard across PS5 & Xbox Next

I just hope and PRAY that Sony evolves their controller design with PS5, this is a big reason why i play my X more then my Pro. I can't play for long sessions with the DS4 as my left thumb cramps up bad after awhile. The placement of that left thumbstick is just brutal! It's so unnatural it's not even funny, it's not meant for human hands! There is a reason why Nintendo went with MS design over Sony's with their Switch Pro controller, they even know it's just not right.

I know Sony won't change a thing though, they are just too stubborn of a company.

 

[Toe-Knee]

I just hope and PRAY that Sony evolves their controller design with PS5, this is a big reason why i play my X more then my Pro. I can't play for long sessions with the DS4 as my left thumb cramps up bad after awhile. The placement of that left thumbstick is just brutal! It's so unnatural it's not even funny, that controller is not meant for human hands! There is a reason why Nintendo went with MS design over Sony's with their Switch Pro controller, they even know it's just not right.

I know Sony won't change a thing though, they are just too stubborn of a company.

I have the opposite problem offset sticks cramp my hands.

My thumbs are in the same place on both hands so the sticks being in the same place makes sense

 

[EtherMagic]

I have the opposite problem offset sticks cramp my hands.

My thumbs are in the same place on both hands so the sticks being in the same place makes sense

You are definitely in the minority here. I honestly think my 2 twin 10 yr old boys complain more about the DS4 then i do. Last year my brother bought NHL 2018 for his PS4 Pro and returned it, he said it was almost impossible to play with the placement of the left thumbstick, he ended up getting the base Xbox version in return.

If you only own a PS4 then i can see getting use to it, but owning both systems and with FPS's being my main go to, it's just so hard to go back on my Pro, my thumb feels awkwardly stretched in a position it should not be in.

Don't get me wrong, i love my Pro, and the DS4 is definitely an improvement over the DS3, but when i go from playing BOTW on my Switch with Pro controller, to playing some FPS on my One X, then switch over to some Spiderman on my PS4, it truelly SUCKS!

A review on the DS4 i read some years back put it best...The DS4 is a 2D designed controller living in a 3D world, and this resonants with me best, as Sony has not changed their design since the 2D era of the 90's.

 

[Toe-Knee]

You are definitely in the minority here. I honestly think my 2 twin 10 yr old boys complain more about the DS4 then i do. Last year my brother bought NHL 2018 for his PS4 Pro and returned it, he said it was almost impossible to play with the placement of the left thumbstick, he ended up getting the base Xbox version in return.

If you only own a PS4 then i can see getting use to it, but owning both systems and with FPS's being my main go to, it's just so hard to go back on my Pro, my thumb feels awkwardly stretched in a position it should not be in.

Don't get me wrong, i love my Pro, and the DS4 is definitely an improvement over the DS3, but when i go from playing BOTW on my Switch with Pro controller, to playing some FPS on my One X, then switch over to some Spiderman on my PS4, it truelly SUCKS!

A review on the DS4 i read some years back put it best...The DS4 is a 2D designed controller living in a 3D world, and this resonants with me best, as Sony has not changed their design since the 2D era of the 90's.

It's just what you are used to. I have only owned the og xbox for a short time and got rid of it after a few months due to the stick issue.

I don't play fps either so maybe that's it.

 

[petrus91]

Or they can thank themselves & the fans who bought the PS4 just like they bought PS1 , PS2 & PS3 . Y'all keep trying to credit MS for PS4 success but all the facts point to Xbox One doing better in the 1st few years than any other Xbox , PS4 just done better.

That is so true. And yet they managed to increase their presence and perception across the public by hammering down their ads everywhere.
For example, here in Italy, when you talk videogames you talk Playstation. They always dip a lot of energies for marketing here and they managed to build a "culture" around Playstation.
Games have always been a natural evolution to retain their crowd. Everywhere I turn nowadays there's a PS4 ad. Facebook, Twitter, Twitch, Instagram, TV (noon time, best time) and even sports sites.
This is, to me, the biggest differential from the competition (say MS or even Nintendo).
I've seen so few ads for Switch and even less for X1. They've been also smart with the exclusive content labels. Right now I still meet people thinking CoD is an exclusive title because the label they saw on TV says "PS4 EXCLUSIVE ------ exclusive content for seven days". So it's an all around winning strategy what they've been able to run for this generation.
Games are also important to the hardcore fans but what's more important to grasp that huge casual crows is marketing. We should realize that we informed gamers are a niche in the big picture.

 

[onQ123]

I just hope and PRAY that Sony evolves their controller design with PS5, this is a big reason why i play my X more then my Pro. I can't play for long sessions with the DS4 as my left thumb cramps up bad after awhile. The placement of that left thumbstick is just brutal! It's so unnatural it's not even funny, it's not meant for human hands! There is a reason why Nintendo went with MS design over Sony's with their Switch Pro controller, they even know it's just not right.

I know Sony won't change a thing though, they are just too stubborn of a company.

Well over 400 million people bought consoles with DS controllers vs around 150 million who bought consoles with Xbox controllers so I don't think the placement of the thumb stick is too brutal.

 

[onQ123]

You are definitely in the minority here. I honestly think my 2 twin 10 yr old boys complain more about the DS4 then i do. Last year my brother bought NHL 2018 for his PS4 Pro and returned it, he said it was almost impossible to play with the placement of the left thumbstick, he ended up getting the base Xbox version in return.

If you only own a PS4 then i can see getting use to it, but owning both systems and with FPS's being my main go to, it's just so hard to go back on my Pro, my thumb feels awkwardly stretched in a position it should not be in.

Don't get me wrong, i love my Pro, and the DS4 is definitely an improvement over the DS3, but when i go from playing BOTW on my Switch with Pro controller, to playing some FPS on my One X, then switch over to some Spiderman on my PS4, it truelly SUCKS!

A review on the DS4 i read some years back put it best...The DS4 is a 2D designed controller living in a 3D world, and this resonants with me best, as Sony has not changed their design since the 2D era of the 90's.

How the hell is over 400 million the minority?

 

[petrus91]

Well over 400 million people bought consoles with DS controllers vs around 150 million who bought consoles with Xbox controllers so I don't think the placement of the thumb stick is too brutal.

Well, assuming that everyone who played with a DS is satisfied with the design is quite an assumption, isn't it? I, for what it's worth, played every PS controller since 1996 and yet I hated all of them. Is it brutal like people try to spin? No, you play what you get. The hope that Sony improves their design is always there, that would be so simple to do...

 

[onQ123]

Well, assuming that everyone who played with a DS is satisfied with the design is quite an assumption, isn't it? I, for what it's worth, played every PS controller since 1996 and yet I hated all of them. Is it brutal like people try to spin? No, you play what you get. The hope that Sony improves their design is always there, that would be so simple to do...

I said 400 million vs 150 million who bought Xbox so think about that, I didn't assume that everyone was satisfied with the DS I posted the full number for both console lines because all 150 million Xbox console owners wasn't satisfied either. input is one of the most important things about gaming & if people keep choosing PlayStation over Xbox it only make sense to assume that the DS design is preferred over the Xbox controller by the masses.


I mean are we dealing with facts or hearsay?

 

[LuvOfThaGame]

I said 400 million vs 150 million who bought Xbox so think about that, I didn't assume that everyone was satisfied with the DS I posted the full number for both console lines because all 150 million Xbox console owners wasn't satisfied either. input is one of the most important things about gaming & if people keep choosing PlayStation over Xbox it only make sense to assume that the DS design is preferred over the Xbox controller by the masses.


I mean are we dealing with facts or hearsay?

You are relying on the same type of hearsay estimates by assuming the purchasers prefer the controller over the competition other than reasons like brand loyalty, game preference, ect. Let's look at an open platform. PC, steam specifically, has xbox controller usage at 38.7% verses 16.3% for playstation which is more telling on controller configuration preferences. Looks like xbox is the preferred controller by a large margin.

 

[kraspkibble]

Imagine if they greenlighted PT and Deep Down...200 million guaranteed

Congratulations Sony!

eh, i doubt those games would've shifted many more units. at best it'd probably hit 90m.

 

[onQ123]

You are relying on the same type of hearsay estimates by assuming the purchasers prefer the controller over the competition other than reasons like brand loyalty, game preference, ect. Let's look at an open platform. PC, steam specifically, has xbox controller usage at 38.7% verses 16.3% for playstation which is more telling on controller configuration preferences. Looks like xbox is the preferred controller by a large margin.

You mean to tell me that Xbox 360 controllers that had official drivers are used more by PC gamers than PS3 controllers? who would have thought

 

[LuvOfThaGame]

You mean to tell me that Xbox 360 controllers that had official drivers are used more by PC gamers than PS3 controllers? who would have thought

You don't expect that argument to fly when ds4windows is an easy setup do you? If you game on PC and can deal with GPU drivers, setting up a ps controller is basic shit. Rotfl. Come on, now.

 

[onQ123]

You don't expect that argument to fly when ds4windows is an easy setup do you? If you game on PC and can deal with GPU drivers, setting up a ps controller is basic shit. Rotfl. Come on, now.

Are we pretending that all PC gamers know what they are doing when it come to installing unofficial drivers for a controller?

Edit: also why are you talking about DS4windows when DS4 is being used more than Xbox One controllers? I'm talking about the big number of Xbox 360 controllers vs PS3 controllers.

 

[Airbus Jr]

You are relying on the same type of hearsay estimates by assuming the purchasers prefer the controller over the competition other than reasons like brand loyalty, game preference, ect. Let's look at an open platform. PC, steam specifically, has xbox controller usage at 38.7% verses 16.3% for playstation which is more telling on controller configuration preferences. Looks like xbox is the preferred controller by a large margin.

Who cares about what steam gamers like

This page is about PS4 already surpassed PS3 record and about to break PS1 lifetime sales record

And as far as Im concerned the DS4 is the best controller around right now

 

[FranXico]

You don't expect that argument to fly when ds4windows is an easy setup do you? If you game on PC and can deal with GPU drivers, setting up a ps controller is basic shit. Rotfl. Come on, now.

X360 controllers had plug-and-play support long before ds4windows showed up, and were only competing with junk like the DS3. Plenty of time for people to grow a habit of playing with asymmetric sticks.

I love how people make this an issue of the asymmetric stick placement being "more natural". It's equally natural either way, as long as the controller as a whole is designed ergonomically.

The issue with the old DS controllers is that they were not ergonomic at all. The DS4 is much more comfortable than the old ones.

Having said that, habit and familiarity generate popularity. Same reason that Playstation, Windows, and Xbox360 controllers end up gaining so much brand loyalty over time.

 

[TLZ]

You don't expect that argument to fly when ds4windows is an easy setup do you? If you game on PC and can deal with GPU drivers, setting up a ps controller is basic shit. Rotfl. Come on, now.

Did you just shoot yourself in the foot? You know 360 controllers were around 7 years before PS4 controllers, right?

 

[Panajev2001a]

X360 controllers had plug-and-play support long before ds4windows showed up, and were only competing with junk like the DS3. Plenty of time for people to grow a habit of playing with asymmetric sticks.

I love how people make this an issue of the asymmetric stick placement being "more natural". It's equally natural either way, as long as the controller as a whole is designed ergonomically.

The issue with the old DS controllers is that they were not ergonomic at all. The DS4 is much more comfortable than the old ones.

Having said that, habit and familiarity generate popularity. Same reason that Playstation, Windows, and Xbox360 controllers end up gaining so much brand loyalty over time.

Sort of, for FPS games I find either DS4 or Wii U’s approaches the best... with Switch handheld joycons configuration being the most uncomfortable the way it forces my right hand to grip the controller with.

 

[DESTROYA]

Congrats Sony you made a hell of a console with a incredible library of exclusives this gen with the PS4.

 

[MDSLKTR]

You are definitely in the minority here.

Stop projecting. There's more DS4's users in the world than switch/xbone controllers combined = market leader controller design at its best.

 

[a multicultural team of v]

Are we pretending that all PC gamers know what they are doing when it come to installing unofficial drivers for a controller?

Edit: also why are you talking about DS4windows when DS4 is being used more than Xbox One controllers? I'm talking about the big number of Xbox 360 controllers vs PS3 controllers.

Not to mention every game has Xbox controller prompts while basically zero have Playstation button prompts. Hell even Monster Hunter, a Japanese game, doesnt have Playstation button prompts.

 

[prinz_valium]

Stop projecting. There's more DS4's users in the world than switch/xbone controllers combined = market leader controller design at its best.

Nop more like

~75m DS4 users.
~150m Xbox One + Switch controllers in the wild.

 

[onQ123]

Nop more like

~75m DS4 users.
~150m Xbox One + Switch controllers in the wild.

 

[llien]

The paid online service is bullshit though.

There was no pushback when microsoft did it, so business naturally followed where more money is.

 

[SonGoku]

Next gen is going to be the most boring gen ever for consoles.

Every game you can think off could already be done on current gen consoles at reduced graphics that is of course. We are going to be more and more limited by vision and idea's rather then hardware to hold us back.

Sadly creative input is the limitation we got currently going already.

This same argument could be used for last gen

I just hope and PRAY that Sony evolves their controller design with PS5

Word! why are the console makers so afraid to add a right trackball/trackpad for shooters, that would be the best upgrade possible that and improved battery life

 

[it_wasn't_me]

I guess the IDC are liars?
https://www.geek.com/games/ps3-surpasses-xbox-360-in-console-sales-1535446/

Well, If PS4 surpassed PS3 LTD, then surely it surpassed X360 LTD. Btw. EEDAR is owned by NPD. Probably they have some official data then.

 

[Freedom Gate Co.]

Well, If PS4 surpassed PS3 LTD, then surely it surpassed X360 LTD. Btw. EEDAR is owned by NPD. Probably they have some official data then.

NPD uses estimates for WW figures in countries they don't have direct access to.

EEDAR is not used in any market market tracking database because of this.

IF the PS3 was ahead they would have said so. For a long period across 2012-2013 Sony was putting out their sales after Xbox's, when Xbox announced 84 million in 2014 Sony never showed up and would only put out family numbers along with the PS4.

We know based on the sales in the 360 and PS3 strongest markets we do have the after late 2014 both of their sales fell like a rock. So the likely hood of a near 2 million difference between the PS3 and 360 doesn't make any sense.

Xbox 360 was on the market for 8 years before Xbox One was released & the life was extended by Kinect at the 5 year mark so Xbox One matching Xbox 360 depends on what happens in the next 3 years . PS4 on the other hand has already reached PS3 lifetime sells in just under 5 years .

Xbox One will be able to drop price faster than the 360, and has the X and Gamepass to sub for Kinect. Now we won't really know until this holiday season if any of this will have any real effect on the market. Xbox One is up yoy as a whole, and it seems there's some big titles coming this month and next along with some sales. So we'll see what happens. But if this holiday is up from last year it could be a good sign.

Unless I'm mistaken, consoles that are sent from MS directly to customers for warranty replacement wouldn't be counted in retail sales numbers.

You're right they don't. Plus the software sales throws the RROD theory out the window.

Xbone fell behind X360 globally launch aligned since 2017. This year is the when Xbone will fall behind X360 in US too. Probably from November.

Unless the holidays are up YOY like the rest of the year so far.

The X, the studio announcements, and gamepass have all done well for Xbox this year. The X did what the S only did for a few months, and that was increase sales long-term. If this holiday is up YOY then Xbox One may still kick even with 360 kinect launch aligned.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

NPD uses estimates for WW figures in countries they don't have direct access to.

EEDAR is not used in any market market tracking database because of this.

IF the PS3 was ahead they would have said so. For a long period across 2012-2013 Sony was putting out their sales after Xbox's, when Xbox announced 84 million in 2014 Sony never showed up and would only put out family numbers along with the PS4.

We know based on the sales in the 360 and PS3 strongest markets we do have the after late 2014 both of their sales fell like a rock. So the likely hood of a near 2 million difference between the PS3 and 360 doesn't make any sense.

Xbox One is up yoy as a whole, and it seems there's some big titles coming this month and next along with some sales. So we'll see what happens. But if this holiday is up from last year it could be a good sign.

Unless the holidays are up YOY like the rest of the year so far.

The X, the studio announcements, and gamepass have all done well for Xbox this year. The X did what the S only did for a few months, and that was increase sales long-term. If this holiday is up YOY then Xbox One may still kick even with 360 kinect launch aligned.

Why they would said? They don't need to. If PS3 was selling faster then X360 launch aligned, it's easy to conclude that PS3 sold in more units even if Sony didn't announced numbers after PS4 launch. Sony had announced only 150 mil. PS2 sold. But they didn't said it has sold 8 mil. more later. Why would they?

According to report week ago, Xbone is up YOY in terms of revenue because XboneX, not in units. And also they said few months before Xbone is up 15% WW in sales, BUT that just because US sales are up 40% ( it's not so easy to beat last year low numbers there, isn't it ), and US ISN'T whole world. And rest of the world sales are down 25% then.
I think Xbone will fall behind for the first time in US behind X360 this Nov. Like Welfare said, Xbone would have to move over 1.55 mil. consoles between Oct. and Nov. in US to stay ahead of X360 launch aligned.

 

[dragonfart28]

Thought it would have hit 100 million by now.

 

[mckmas8808]

Woot playstation killing it. Unfortunately sony has let this go to their heads, maybe some new titan will help remove them from their comfy throne and kick their asses back into gear. Shameful really how they've become so complacent

Complacent? They've had one of their best years for the PS4 if you are judging it by the quality of the exclusive games they've released this year. What are you talking about?

 

[onQ123]

Thought it would have hit 100 million by now.

You thought it would be at 100 million in less than 5 years? for that to happen PS4 would have to sell over 20 million a year.

 

[onQ123]

OsirisBlack you could at least give us a update on the status of you posting the info or not.

If Bisop was still around the info would be posted or you would be banned for not posting it.

 

[dragonfart28]

You thought it would be at 100 million in less than 5 years? for that to happen PS4 would have to sell over 20 million a year.

Yea.

And why isn't it?

 

[onQ123]

Yea.

And why isn't it?

Because no console has ever sold 20 million a year every year for the 1st 5 years

 

[DeepEnigma]

Yea.

And why isn't it?

Are you in here to actually engage, or are you going to pull short low effort shit like you do in Politics?

 

[thelastword]

Well, If PS4 surpassed PS3 LTD, then surely it surpassed X360 LTD. Btw. EEDAR is owned by NPD. Probably they have some official data then.

Another report/chart putting PS3 sales ahead of 360.....I guess PS3 stopped selling in 2015 ....When it was ahead of MS in shipped units in 2013 and 2015.....Yet, MS stopped production in 2016 and PS3 continued production/shipments up to 2017....So it seems Sony was just stuffing retail with PS3's when there was no need

 

[mckmas8808]

OsirisBlack you could at least give us a update on the status of you posting the info or not.

If Bisop was still around the info would be posted or you would be banned for not posting it.

He said he was waiting on a response before posting. But a response from whom? A mod or his source?

 

[onQ123]

He said he was waiting on a response before posting. But a response from whom? A mod or his source?

I know but that was days ago

 

[Freedom Gate Co.]

Why they would said? They don't need to. If PS3 was selling faster then X360 launch aligned, it's easy to conclude that PS3 sold in more units even if Sony didn't announced numbers after PS4 launch. Sony had announced only 150 mil. PS2 sold. But they didn't said it has sold 8 mil. more later. Why would they?

According to report week ago, Xbone is up YOY in terms of revenue because XboneX, not in units. And also they said few months before Xbone is up 15% WW in sales, BUT that just because US sales are up 40% ( it's not so easy to beat last year low numbers there, isn't it ), and US ISN'T whole world. And rest of the world sales are down 25% then.
I think Xbone will fall behind for the first time in US behind X360 this Nov. Like Welfare said, Xbone would have to move over 1.55 mil. consoles between Oct. and Nov. in US to stay ahead of X360 launch aligned.

First off your PS2 example is nonsense. The PS2 has not a single competitor close to them.

Also the reason is because Sony was announcing sales numbers after the 360 for a long time UNTIL that last one by the 360 and THEN SUDDENLY they stopped and started put all the PS family all together in reports. Also the PS3 did sell faster, except for 2 years, and both of them dropped severely in sales after late 2014. With Xbox 360's still being prominent in it's top markets and the PS3, outside of Greece, not being anywhere near as available in Europe and eve was discontinued in the US before the 360. So the question is why would we trust estimates with margin of errors over official numbers, if the two consoles are as close as they were?

Uh yes, we have NPD numbers Xbox one is up YOY in hardware. Stop trying to make up your own fantasies you do it in every Xbox thread discussion. You also pulled 25% out your arse or from an estimate because Box One is up in more than just the US as well.

Also you do realize that in NOV alone the Xbox One could move over 1.5 million right? I think that is this holiday is big it will stay ahead.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

OsirisBlack you could at least give us a update on the status of you posting the info or not.

If Bisop was still around the info would be posted or you would be banned for not posting it.

I would love some form of update as well.

 

[Freedom Gate Co.]

Another report/chart putting PS3 sales ahead of 360.....I guess PS3 stopped selling in 2015 ....When it was ahead of MS in shipped units in 2013 and 2015.....Yet, MS stopped production in 2016 and PS3 continued production/shipments up to 2017....So it seems Sony was just stuffing retail with PS3's when there was no need

Clearly this chart means both he 360 and PS3 never got a single person to buy them after 2015. Also somehow the PS3 sold 2 million more units than the 360 by 2015, when this same EEDAR estimated 85 million units sold of the PS3 in late 2014 but the 360 sold 84 the summer of 2014, so I guess that means after summer 2014 only the PS3 sold until 2015 andall those 360's that were being brought where just mirages in the desert.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

First off your PS2 example is nonsense. The PS2 has not a single competitor close to them.

Also the reason is because Sony was announcing sales numbers after the 360 for a long time UNTIL that last one by the 360 and THEN SUDDENLY they stopped and started put all the PS family all together in reports. Also the PS3 did sell faster, except for 2 years, and both of them dropped severely in sales after late 2014. With Xbox 360's still being prominent in it's top markets and the PS3, outside of Greece, not being anywhere near as available in Europe and eve was discontinued in the US before the 360. So the question is why would we trust estimates with margin of errors over official numbers, if the two consoles are as close as they were?

Uh yes, we have NPD numbers Xbox one is up YOY in hardware. Stop trying to make up your own fantasies you do it in every Xbox thread discussion. You also pulled 25% out your arse or from an estimate because Box One is up in more than just the US as well.

Also you do realize that in NOV alone the Xbox One could move over 1.5 million right? I think that is this holiday is big it will stay ahead.

LOL! It's not a nonsense. Competition or not ( but it was Xbox and NGC ), if PS2 sold another 8 million after Sony's report about 150 mil. milestone, Sony doesn't need to announce another 8 mil. was sold. Period! 8th gen finished, why Sony to announce more PS3 numbers after PS4 launch. There is no need for that. Also maybe MS just said that X360 was sold in 84 mil. units back at 2016 just to gain some momentum for Xbox brand because Xbone was ass kicked back then by PS4 ( gladly, till today still is by a good margin ).

Again LOL, PS3 was discontinued a year later after X360. Do some research. Btw. didn't i mentioned that Xbone hardware is up YOY? YES I DID!

Few monts ago Xbone was down in sales outside US. It's not talk out of my ass. Sales are up 40% in US during first half of 2018. MS said that WW sales numbers are up 15% ( during same time when Mat Piscatella said Xbone is 40% up in US ). That means rest of the world ( outside of US, of course ) sales are down 25%. LOGIC, my man! LOGIC! So simple. Also well known member Welfare said it too on other forum. He wasn't debunked or anything. And now, according to previous MS report Xbone is up in revenue globally because of 500$ Xbonex. Doesn't mean units sales are up. Because of your bullshit and spinning i really hope that Xbone will fall behind X360 this November. Just to rub it on your nose. I really hope so. I will be happy surely. You should go to share your sales knowledge on other forum vs. Zhuge, Welfare, Mat Piscatella and others. Bye! Ignore.

 

[Freedom Gate Co.]

LOL! It's not a nonsense. Competition or not ( but it was Xbox and NGC ), if PS2 sold another 8 million after Sony's report about 150 mil. milestone, Sony doesn't need to announce another 8 mil. was sold. Period! 8th gen finished, why Sony to announce more PS3 numbers after PS4 launch. There is no need for that. Also maybe MS just said that X360 was sold in 84 mil. units back at 2016 just to gain some momentum for Xbox brand because Xbone was ass kicked back then by PS4 ( gladly, till today still is by a good margin ).

Again LOL, PS3 was discontinued a year later after X360. Do some research. Btw. didn't i mentioned that Xbone hardware is up YOY? YES I DID!

Few monts ago Xbone was down in sales outside US. It's not talk out of my ass. Sales are up 40% in US during first half of 2018. MS said that WW sales numbers are up 15% ( during same time when Mat Piscatella said Xbone is 40% up in US ). That means rest of the world ( outside of US, of course ) sales are down 25%. LOGIC, my man! LOGIC! So.... simple! And now, according to previous MS report Xbone is up in revenue globally because of 500$ Xbonex. Doesn't mean units sales are up. Because of your bullshit and spinning i really hope that Xbone will fall behind X360 this November. Just to rub it on your nose. I really hope so. I will be happy surely. You should go to share your sales knowledge on other forum vs. Zhuge, Welfare, Mat Piscatella and others. Bye! Ignore.

Yes it is nonsense, because Sony WAS putting out numbers everytime the 360 did at an extended period of time and then suddenly stopped and changes how they did reports. If they passed them Sony would have put out the numbers. The PS2 was far away the winner so they didn't need to post numbers.

Uh Microsoft announced 84 million 360 units in 2014, not 2016. Again you are so full of nonsense you can't even read the posts properly. You are the one with the bullshit spinning.

Also uh, the PS3 was discontinued in some areas before the 360, including the USA, where you could find 360s in stores new and not PS3's. You don't seem to know what you're talking about at all. Or ever.

Also the 25% is still pulled out your arse and is based on estimates. You are also going back and forth on whether the Xbox is up yoy. Here and in other threads you have said it's down. Then in some cases you say it's up but it doesn't count because Xbox One X, and now you say it's actually is up by units (and also said it hasn't0 so which is it?

Also you are hoping for a hardware company to fail because...fanboy reasons? Ok, that's a very negative view. You want people to get laid off? Wow.

Also you're ignoring me because you lost the argument. Have a nice day. Also you still haven't addressed the 1.55 million thing, the Xbox One could do that in NOV alone and you said oct-nov so that's more than one month. Xbox One did almost that NOV NPD LAST YEAR, so either you are way to angry and aren't typing your sentences correctly or you're making stuff up.

Likely both honestly.

 

[EtherMagic]

Stop projecting. There's more DS4's users in the world than switch/xbone controllers combined = market leader controller design at its best.

The controller has nothing to do with sales, i find it funny this point has been brought up more then once.

BTW im one of those buyers your talking about. Fact is Sony needs to evolve their controller, this seems to be a pattern with them. Instead of coming out with proper controllers for VR they stick you with 2010 tech made for the PS3. BTW i own a PSVR aswel.

 

[WaterAstro]

The controller has nothing to do with sales, i find it funny this point has been brought up more then once.

BTW im one of those buyers your talking about. Fact is Sony needs to evolve their controller, this seems to be a pattern with them. Instead of coming out with proper controllers for VR they stick you with 2010 tech made for the PS3. BTW i own a PSVR aswel.

Uh they did. This gen. And it blows the Xbox asymmetric crap out of the water.

 

[Stuart360]

I dont know about the XB1 controller, but the 360 controller is the best you can get imo. Its all i use on PC. I do have a PS4 controller but i hate it.

 

[n0razi]

I bought 3 of them... original launch PS4 which I sold to get the LE Destiny White PS4 which I again sold to get a Pro

I am obviously itching for the LE White Pro lol