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[Aurelian]

So do video games incite violence or not? YouTube's reason is that it "incites violence". A wealth of peer reviewed studios for the past 20+ years, even from liberal academia cite otherwise (hint: no correlation of real world violence).

So which is it?

And if so... then all violent videos must be removed on their platform, eh?

You're going through semantic gymnastics here. Those studies talked about the mere act of playing violent games. This is about conveying a more explicit message, even if it's not an intentional one.

Think of it this way: imagine if the Columbine shooters had been YouTubers in the modern era. If they'd just posted let's-play videos of Doom, that would have been fine. But if they'd posted Doom videos titled "watch us kill students at Columbine High School" and played a mod designed to look like the school, damn straight modern YouTube would take that down. You cross the line when you go from merely playing a game to sending messages of targeted violence against real groups, even if it's a 'joke.'

 

[DeepEnigma]

Had he titled the videos as "annoying lady" instead of feminist would it have mattered?

Nah, the "journalists" would have dug around it.

 

[Ptownrich]

Lets ban all game channels then. Most games have you killing someone. They all promote violence. Let's go.

Again, it's not videos of him killing random characters. Every. Single. Video. had a title about killing feminists specifically. He deliberately made it political.

These are women at the the turn of the the century who fought for women's rights to votes. Are people here thick or something if they can't see the difference between this and other vids where female npcs get killed (Skyrim and many more) that don't get to be controversial or banned

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

Again, it's not videos of him killing random characters. Every. Single. Video. had a title about killing feminists specifically. He deliberately made it political.

These are women at the the turn of the the century who fought for women's rights to votes. Are people here thick or something if they can't see the difference between this and other vids where female npcs get killed (Skyrim and many more) that don't get to be controversial or banned

You are in no position to imply that anyone is 'thick'.

 

[danielberg]

Celebrating and glorifying violence against someone for being a feminist deserves a ban.

YouTube and others social media platforms haven't an ethical duty to not promote this kind of thinking.

For those who disagree with the ban or think of the videos are harmless fun / right now to free speech... Genuine question for you all:

In 1930s Germany, Hitler produced media vilyfying jews and promoting violence against them. Do you think he was fine to be expressing his thoughts right to free speach? If YouTube was around then, do you you think it should have hosted his videos?

Yeah but is it a genuine question?
I am out a here i am losing my faith in humanity waaay to fast for my age.

 

[LightofRohan]

Calling a historical representation of a lady fighting for women's rights an "annoying feminist" is twattish behavior. Celebrating and glorifying violence against someone for being a feminist deserves a ban.

YouTube and others social media platforms haven't an ethical duty to not promote this kind of thinking.

For those who disagree with the ban or think of the videos are harmless fun / right now to free speech... Genuine question for you all:

In 1930s Germany, Hitler produced media vilyfying jews and promoting violence against them. Do you think he was fine to be expressing his thoughts right to free speach? If YouTube was around then, do you you think it should have hosted his videos?

For those saying "it's just violence against women in the game, no difference to the violence against men" - are you deliberately ignoring the word "feminist" in every video title?

Serious questions, help me understand why you you think glorifying violence against women who were fighting for the right time vote is OK?

Because she is literally a Feminist in the game?? How would you describe her character?

She literally yells on a loop, "LET ME VOTE, I WANT TO VOTE" it's incredibly annoying.

His video titles are actually quite literal (minus the drag to hell one, not sure what that is)

 

[#Phonepunk#]

these are not real people tho. it has no impact on the real world. it's like having a comic book making fun of the president or bashing a pinata of a politician, it's entirely symbolic.

 

[Cunth]

Going to see more and more of this kind of thing from google and it’s going to be very messy

 

[lifa-cobex]

these are not real people tho. it has no impact on the real world. it's like having a comic book making fun of the president or bashing a pinata of a politician, it's entirely symbolic.

yea but my feelings....

 

[DeepEnigma]

You're going through semantic gymnastics here. Those studies talked about the mere act of playing violent games. This is about conveying a more explicit message, even if it's not an intentional one.

Think of it this way: imagine if the Columbine shooters had been YouTubers in the modern era. If they'd just posted let's-play videos of Doom, that would have been fine. But if they'd posted Doom videos titled "watch us kill students at Columbine High School" and played a mod designed to look like the school, damn straight modern YouTube would take that down. You cross the line when you go from merely playing a game to sending messages of targeted violence against real groups, even if it's a 'joke.'

The only one displaying mental gymnastics here is you. These are not real people, it is a video game. It is also a sandbox, the choice is up to the player. None of this correlates into real life. It is symbolic, nothing more.

It is either promoting violence, or is not. You cannot have it both ways just because of political feels. Let us ban GTA videos of carjacking, since it promotes the acts, eh?

It sets a dangerous precedence if platform holder's are now making the selective claims, that acts in a video game are promoting violence.

This is purely based on personal feels, nothing more. You know what promotes more violence? Actual videos of people assuming others are nazis, but they just want to punch political opposition. Those stay up there well and good on that "platform". They are no longer a platform holder, but now playing publisher. Time to revoke social utilities protections then and classify them as a publisher.

 

[deriks]

If he made like a series of "let's kill" and there's a lot of options like killing rich people, poor people, horses, rabbits, whatever, maybe was fine I guess. It's a videogame, so... you know. But he made a lot of videos of "killing femminists" just to provoke. He asked.

 

[Moneal]

She definitely was a representation of a modern feminist. Here is her dialog in Game.

"Once women get the vote, the whole country will stop making a pigs ear of everything. There will be no more wars, no hunger, no stupidity. We will elect a woman president within the first 10 years of course. You see, men are such judgemental prigs, you need us women to help straighten you out."

 

[DeepEnigma]

If he made like a series of "let's kill" and there's a lot of options like killing rich people, poor people, horses, rabbits, whatever, maybe was fine I guess. It's a videogame, so... you know. But he made a lot of videos of "killing femminists" just to provoke. He asked.

He did have those other videos up. Just these one's got the outrage culture attention.

It is not about just harming people, it is about harming "our" people.

 

[LightofRohan]

yea but my feelings....

They live in a world where being even somewhat offended is the worse offense imaginable. They are so protective over feelings and making sure nobody feels somewhat uncomfortable for 3 seconds.
Why? Why is this such an important battle.

 

[SebastianM]

I don't think he got banned for just one video:

Lmao wtf, you can't tell me with a straight face that those titles and thumbnails aren't some fucked up shit.

Can't say I fell sorry for him, it just worries me that SJW journalists are spinning the story around into the game itself being mysoginistic and encouraging stuff like this which is totally false.

 

[Boss Mog]

The video was garbage, I said as much in the other thread. That being said, he shouldn't be banned from Youtube for it. If his subscribers don't like it, they're free to unsubscribe and others are free to not watch it. There's probably tons of shit I would find offensive on the internet but I don't actively go looking for it and try to get it banned, only pathetic people would do such a thing.

 

[Aurelian]

The only one displaying mental gymnastics here is you. These are not real people, it is a video game. It is also a sandbox, the choice is up to the player. None of this correlates into real life. It is symbolic, nothing more.

It is either promoting violence, or is not. You cannot have it both ways just because of political feels. Let us ban GTA videos of carjacking, since it promotes the acts, eh?

It sets a dangerous precedence if platform holder's are now making the selective claims, that acts in a video game are promoting violence.

This is purely based on personal feels, nothing more. You know what promotes more violence? Actual videos of people assuming others are nazis, but they just want to punch political opposition. Those stay up there well and good on that "platform". They are no longer a platform holder, but now playing publisher. Time to revoke social utilities protections then and classify them as a publisher.

You genuinely don't understand what I'm saying, do you? Yes, of course it's a video game. But when you post a series of videos that are titled some variant of "kill feminists," you're not just showing generic violence -- you're explicitly telling people that killing feminists is fun. I'm not even saying that Shirrako meant to be sexist. I'm saying that he was stupid to post videos named that way and then wonder why YouTube took action.

Also, revoke social utilities protections... wait, what? Which utility protections did YouTube have, exactly? To date, YouTube and other internet companies have long argued that they're closer publishers, because they have free speech rights to choose what stays or goes on their platform. I'm starting to think you have a genuinely poor understanding of what you're talking about and are hoping I won't notice.

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

The thing is this is just one more reason showing why we need alternatives to many of these platforms.

This is why the youtube alternative bitchute is under threats of demonetization.

It really is a problem when there is vast collusion to censor and stop alternatives from emerging in the market. It is not a free market.

Also, revoke social utilities protections... wait, what? Which utility protections did YouTube have, exactly? To date, YouTube and other internet companies have long argued that they're closer publishers, because they have free speech rights to choose what stays or goes on their platform. I'm starting to think you have a genuinely poor understanding of what you're talking about and are hoping I won't notice.

Their immunities can't be revoked without amending the laws apparently, which is BS.

But the regulations keeping competitors from emerging need to go, the free market would send them packing if left to work.

 

[DeepEnigma]

They live in a world where being even somewhat offended is the worse offense imaginable. They are so protective over feelings and making sure nobody feels somewhat uncomfortable for 3 seconds.
Why? Why is this such an important battle.

It is the biggest sign of complacency/comfort, privileged, and the epitome of first world problems.

When the brain no longer has to fight for survival, it starts to fight itself.

 

[nkarafo]

Again, it's not videos of him killing random characters. Every. Single. Video. had a title about killing feminists specifically. He deliberately made it political.

Wrong. He had hundrends (literally) of DRD2 videos. In many of them there was some other NPC being killed or tortured. This particular NPC happened to be a feminist. Why give that NPC special treatment?

These are women at the the turn of the the century who fought for women's rights to votes.

Awesome. And his character in this particular game is a murderous villain. It's fun being evil in videogames sometimes, killing decent virtual people.

 

[The_Mike]

That's actually insane. 475k subscribers gone just because some crazy feminists claimed it "promoted violence".

Let that sink in for a second. A video about killing a feminist.. promoted violence.. in Red Dead Redemption 2, a videogame where the protagonists are murderous outlaws.

Welcome to the leftist world. Enjoy your stay if you’re SJW or get silenced.

 

[flibbertyjibbert]

You genuinely don't understand what I'm saying, do you? Yes, of course it's a video game. But when you post a series of videos that are titled some variant of "kill feminists," you're not just showing generic violence -- you're explicitly telling people that killing feminists is fun.

Ridiculous. What if he posted a video "killing pedestrians in RDR2". that's telling people killing pedestrians is fun, right?

- Machinima need to be banned from youtube?

 

[DeepEnigma]

You genuinely don't understand what I'm saying, do you? Yes, of course it's a video game. But when you post a series of videos that are titled some variant of "kill feminists," you're not just showing generic violence -- you're explicitly telling people that killing feminists is fun. I'm not even saying that Shirrako meant to be sexist. I'm saying that he was stupid to post videos named that way and then wonder why YouTube took action.

Also, revoke social utilities protections... wait, what? Which utility protections did YouTube have, exactly? To date, YouTube and other internet companies have long argued that they're closer publishers, because they have free speech rights to choose what stays or goes on their platform. I'm starting to think you have a genuinely poor understanding of what you're talking about and are hoping I won't notice.

He has done the same, as well as countless others have done the same for various other people, demographics, etc..

The hypocrisy lies in, it is not the violence, it is the violence towards "our" protected classes. They could have removed the content, not the entire channel.

I was being tongue in cheek on the social utilities aspect. Need to use more /s tags.

 

[Moneal]

They live in a world where being even somewhat offended is the worse offense imaginable. They are so protective over feelings and making sure nobody feels somewhat uncomfortable for 3 seconds.
Why? Why is this such an important battle.

because they were raised under the Self Esteem Movement. If you hurt a kids feelings they growth is stunted, was the entire idea behind the movement. So to them feelings being hurt is the same as actual violence.

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

Ridiculous. What if he posted a video "killing pedestrians in RDR2". that's telling people killing pedestrians is fun, right?

or what about bartenders, bankers or sheriffs, cops?

Like how many gta kill cops or soldiers videos are there on youtube?

 

[ILLtown]

It's a video game character made of pixels. Step away from the fedoras and blunt katanas boys.

We're heading into Jack Thompson territory here. If you believe that video games promote violence (as in, real world violence), including just watching a short clip of someone playing one, then you are making the same arguments he made and need to start rolling out some evidence for your ludicrous assertions that extends beyond "but muh fee fees are hurtin'!".

 

[bilderberg]

You genuinely don't understand what I'm saying, do you? Yes, of course it's a video game. But when you post a series of videos that are titled some variant of "kill feminists," you're not just showing generic violence -- you're explicitly telling people that killing feminists is fun. I'm not even saying that Shirrako meant to be sexist. I'm saying that he was stupid to post videos named that way and then wonder why YouTube took action.

Also, revoke social utilities protections... wait, what? Which utility protections did YouTube have, exactly? To date, YouTube and other internet companies have long argued that they're closer publishers, because they have free speech rights to choose what stays or goes on their platform. I'm starting to think you have a genuinely poor understanding of what you're talking about and are hoping I won't notice.

No you aren't. What are you talking about? The difference in both sides of this argument is that one side believes we're all intelligent enough to know right and wrong, fiction vs reality, etc. And the other side secretly believes we're too stupid to know the difference between video game violence and real world violence.

I'll repeat my question that I and many others in this thread keep bringing up, which people conveniently keep ignoring.

You either think video games promote violence and wish to abolish all similar content, or you don't. Which is it?

 

[nkarafo]

Btw, here are a couple of videos about killing cops in GTA. Both videos from a quick search. Both titles describe killing cops. It's the same thing but with a different group of people.





Are these channels going to be banned? They promote violence against police officers. Yikes. My uncle is a police officer. I love my uncle, he is a brave decent man. I'm literally crying and shacking.

 

[Aurelian]

No you aren't. What are you talking about? The difference in both sides of this argument is that one side believes we're all intelligent enough to know right and wrong, fiction vs reality, etc. And the other side secretly believes we're too stupid to know the difference between video game violence and real world violence.

I'll repeat my question that I and many others in this thread keep bringing up, which people conveniently keep ignoring.

Yes, you are. You may not mean to tell people to kill feminists, but that's the message you're providing. You do know that kids watch these gameplay videos, right? And that sexists will latch on to videos like that to spread their message, even if they don't intend to kill people? Even from a cynical perspective, YouTube probably doesn't want its reputation stained by hosting videos with "kill feminist" titles. It was in poor taste, and he should've known better.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Yes, you are. You may not mean to tell people to kill feminists, but that's the message you're providing. You do know that kids watch these gameplay videos, right? And that sexists will latch on to videos like that to spread their message, even if they don't intend to kill people? Even from a cynical perspective, YouTube probably doesn't want its reputation stained by hosting videos with "kill feminist" titles. It was in poor taste, and he should've known better.

Lol, look at the post above you. What say you?

 

[bilderberg]

Yes, you are. You may not mean to tell people to kill feminists, but that's the message you're providing. You do know that kids watch these gameplay videos, right? And that sexists will latch on to videos like that to spread their message, even if they don't intend to kill people? Even from a cynical perspective, YouTube probably doesn't want its reputation stained by hosting videos with "kill feminist" titles. It was in poor taste, and he should've known better.

to hell with the kids. I was a kid once and I wasn't that stupid.

 

[Kreydo]

I found the video dumb but what Youtube did it's a one sided censorship, seeing some people here aclaiming this is desperating.

 

[DreamsiclesPlz]

Yes, you are. You may not mean to tell people to kill feminists, but that's the message you're providing. You do know that kids watch these gameplay videos, right? And that sexists will latch on to videos like that to spread their message, even if they don't intend to kill people? Even from a cynical perspective, YouTube probably doesn't want its reputation stained by hosting videos with "kill feminist" titles. It was in poor taste, and he should've known better.

...but video games don't cause real life violence.

 

[ILLtown]

Yes, you are. You may not mean to tell people to kill feminists, but that's the message you're providing.

Hold on, when you say "kill feminists", do you mean real life ones? Are you claiming that this guy's videos were telling people to kill real life feminists? If so, do you think that the videos nkarafo posted are telling people to kill real life cops?

If you do believe such things, what evidence can you provide that links watching an act of video game violence to real world violence?

You do know that kids watch these gameplay videos, right?

And? Kids can watch all kinds of shit online. They could go to /r/watchpeopledie on Reddit and see real people dying in horribly brutal ways. Does that mean we have to censor the entire internet based on the idea that a kid might see or read something?

And that sexists will latch on to videos like that to spread their message, even if they don't intend to kill people?

But maybe people who hate cops will latch on to his cop killer videos!!!??? Maybe people who want to mass murder innocents will latch on to videos of that airport scene from COD!!!?? We must think of the children!!!!

It was in poor taste, and he should've known better.

Ah, and here we FINALLY get to the real reason why you don't like his videos. You think they were in poor taste and you got offended. How awful for you! I hope you recover soon.

 

[Redneckerz]

I would assume its a combination of manual user flags and the o so famous YT Algorithm finally axing what seemingly triggered the system hard enough to run a search on him.

Pewdiepie has had several smaller nuisances related to this aswell. I don't think there is a singular thing to point out that shows you why this YTer got axed.

Other than that, the titles seem to follow a pattern, dunno if its geniune or trying to get a stab at something.

 

[oagboghi2]

Not really, when you have a habit of making brutal complilation videos, and then make not just one video but two or three about killing a feminist (Who isn't a really a feminist, but someone rightfully desiring the right to vote) in isolation, then you're just drawing trouble to yourself. Especially within weeks of a few nutters trying to assassinate left leaning politicians in reality.

Shame really, he was one of the few channels that I subscribed to, since he tends to shut his mouth in his videos.

It's not Rockstars fault that people use their work and twist it into something else, to promote or glorify whatever.

And ultimately it was the title of the video which was the issue, not so much the video itself.

This same channel had multiple videos of him killing klansmen. He had tons of RDR2 videos of just killing people(men) in creative ways.

He wasn't pushing politics. Such bullshit

 

[nkarafo]

Yes, you are. You may not mean to tell people to kill police officers, but that's the message you're providing. You do know that kids watch these gameplay videos, right? And that cop haters will latch on to videos like that to spread their message, even if they don't intend to kill people? Even from a cynical perspective, YouTube probably doesn't want its reputation stained by hosting videos with "kill cops" titles. It was in poor taste, and he should've known better.

I know right? But nobody is banning all those GTA channels.

Same with other gameplay videos where you kill other groups, whichever they are.

You either going to ban everyone or no one. Or at least acknowledge the double standards and special treatment on certain groups.

 

[nkarafo]

the titles seem to follow a pattern, dunno if its geniune or trying to get a stab at something.

There's no such thing as a "pattern". The guy had TONS of RDR2 videos. They weren't all about this feminist NPC. There were plenty of videos about other subjects and most of the times he dedicated more than one video for each. This feminist NPC was one of the many subjects. It only looks bad because you see them separated from the others in one place, as if these were the only videos he made.

Edit: Sorry for double post

 

[oagboghi2]

Calling a historical representation of a lady fighting for women's rights an "annoying feminist" is twattish behavior. Celebrating and glorifying violence against someone for being a feminist deserves a ban.

YouTube and others social media platforms haven't an ethical duty to not promote this kind of thinking.

For those who disagree with the ban or think of the videos are harmless fun / right now to free speech... Genuine question for you all:

In 1930s Germany, Hitler produced media vilyfying jews and promoting violence against them. Do you think he was fine to be expressing his thoughts right to free speach? If YouTube was around then, do you you think it should have hosted his videos?

For those saying "it's just violence against women in the game, no difference to the violence against men" - are you deliberately ignoring the word "feminist" in every video title?

Serious questions, help me understand why you you think glorifying violence against women who were fighting for the right time vote is OK?

Are you actually this fucking dense. You're comparing killing an NPC to Nazi propaganda?

 

[drotahorror]

Lmao wtf, you can't tell me with a straight face that those titles and thumbnails aren't some fucked up shit.

I mean have you never played a Rockstar game? We all act out in games and do shit we would never think about doing in real life. I guess the main difference is this guy records it and uses kind of clickbaity titles to advertise it.

I dunno, this whole thing is stupid. It's a damn game, nobody is going out and punching feminists or dumping them on traintracks because of RDR2.

 

[oagboghi2]

Again, it's not videos of him killing random characters. Every. Single. Video. had a title about killing feminists specifically. He deliberately made it political.

These are women at the the turn of the the century who fought for women's rights to votes. Are people here thick or something if they can't see the difference between this and other vids where female npcs get killed (Skyrim and many more) that don't get to be controversial or banned

No. They. Didn't. It obvious who has seen his channel before and who are jumping to sensattionalist nonsense.

His channel was not about "killing feminists"

 

[Spukc]

hahahahahahahahaha

 

[Ptownrich]

You do understand that the figurines that appear in your television when you boot up a videogame, are not real life people, right?

You do understand that the cartoons Hitler used to depict jews and homosexuals weren't real people, right?

 

[petran79]

I find it worrying that nowadays it is up to Rockstar to define the term " feminist" and "suffragettes" and people from the left are actually falling for it!

 

[mckmas8808]

You're going through semantic gymnastics here. Those studies talked about the mere act of playing violent games. This is about conveying a more explicit message, even if it's not an intentional one.

Think of it this way: imagine if the Columbine shooters had been YouTubers in the modern era. If they'd just posted let's-play videos of Doom, that would have been fine. But if they'd posted Doom videos titled "watch us kill students at Columbine High School" and played a mod designed to look like the school, damn straight modern YouTube would take that down. You cross the line when you go from merely playing a game to sending messages of targeted violence against real groups, even if it's a 'joke.'

And to add to your post.....why are we acting as if people have a Constitutional right to post YouTube videos? At a minimum, this dude is inciting violence on specific groups. Take your videos to another platform if that's what you want to do?

 

[DonF]

I assume that Youtube is going to ban every Hitman video too, right?

 

[RedVIper]

I spent my entire childhood killing prostitutes in GTA, thousands of them, I've killed very few since I grew up, so I don't think games have that much of an impact.

Spoiler

It makes no sense to ban him for killing a feminist in a stupid game, and if you've watched the video that woman really is anoying, and no not because shes a feminist. There's plenty of videos promoting violence agaisnt cops and nobody seems to care.

 

[RedVIper]

And to add to your post.....why are we acting as if people have a Constitutional right to post YouTube videos? At a minimum, this dude is inciting violence on specific groups. Take your videos to another platform if that's what you want to do?

AKA: Censorship is fine as long as its of things I don't like.

Again how about people posting videos promoting violence agaisnt the police, is that ok? Didn't we also agree that video game violence doesn't lead to irl violence.

 

[Achelexus]

So, when will we be getting a decent youtube alternative, anyway? It's clear that anything owned by Google is bound to pull of this sort of stuff frequently.

 

[Lort]

The law courts, jury system and democracy is setup to enact the will of the people.

If youtube and facebook censor based on public expectations, the are doing the exact same thing.

If people think videos about killing feministics, christians or muslims should be censored then that community expectation will be set and enacted by facebook, youtube, the courts and democracy.