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[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

You do understand that the cartoons Hitler used to depict jews and homosexuals weren't real people, right?

You do know hitler, wasn't making comedy or clickbait. Those were meant to represent real people and advocate real violence against actual people.
Context my friend.

Is this guy advocating or inciting violence against feminists?

IF I put a video saying look how I dispose of this annoying bartender in RDR2. AM I INCITING VIOLENCE AGAINST REAL WORLD BARTENDERS?

And to add to your post.....why are we acting as if people have a Constitutional right to post YouTube videos? At a minimum, this dude is inciting violence on specific groups. Take your videos to another platform if that's what you want to do?

He is not inciting violence, and it seems there are enough regulatory barriers against payment mechanisms, hosting, domain registration, etc. blocking alternatives from emerging easily.

Youtube alternative Bitchute is being demonetized from what I hear. These companies take competition seriously and it appears they collude to cut competitors when they're starting to take root.

The law courts, jury system and democracy is setup to enact the will of the people.

If youtube and facebook censor based on public expectations, the are doing the exact same thing.

If people think videos about killing feministics, christians or muslims should be censored then that community expectation will be set and enacted by facebook, youtube, the courts and democracy.

This is a republic not a democracy, and we have a constitutional right of free speech. Right now the problem is we have excess regulations, apparently, impeding new competitors from arising naturally to provide pro free speech alternatives, competitors.

Any comments about this being left or right wing agenda is a diversion .. does the right wing think we should stop banning ISIS videos on youtube because it dosent want white racists banned? Of course they dont. Its just politics.

Cut the BS. ISIS advocates actual harm against actual americans and terrorist acts.

There is a difference between a video of shooting up a police station as T800 terminator or a gangster or saying how you killed X annoying person, versus advocating for the death of actual people.

You know incitement to violence is very different from depictions of fictional violence.

Punch a nazi, when you mean everyone you disagree with is a nazi, that is incitement to violence. Calling for white genocide, that is incitement to violence.

BTW enemy soldiers, russians, germans, etc. Rival gangsters, etc. These people are also actual humans deserving of rights. But fictional violence is not incitement to violence against them.

i actually believe in limited free speech ..

Which is the path to fascism, check. The founding fathers knew the importance of free speech.

At one time, women's right to vote was offensive, abolitionist speech regards ending slavery was offensive, limited free speech, is no free speech at all and leads to stagnation.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Post 12 updated

That YouTube consistency. I guess they need to take down all gratuitous violence videos now, eh?

*crickets*

 

[nkarafo]

#NPClivesmatter

It's funny how they confirm the NPC meme... Many comments on Youtube about NPCs protecting fellow NPCs and all that jazz.

 

[iconmaster]

Post 12 updated

Makes it seem like they issued a strike immediately followed by the suspension. I'd consider that capricious if so; if he was good citizen in the past he ought to have a chance to correct course.

Edit: yeah, that is indeed what the user is claiming happened. C'mon YouTube.

 

[mckmas8808]

Yeah those are awful to and make it very hypocritical of you tube. Still doesn’t make his titles any less horrible.

Youtube would probably ban those too if enough people reported it to them.

 

[lifa-cobex]

This would be satire if it wasn't real.

"strong independent women won't tolerate video mocking her values"

 

[nani17]

The world is full of crybabies it's fucking sad.

 

[Arkage]

I don’t believe in censorship.

The answer to “bad speech” (as you see it) is “good speech” (as you see it).

I’m a liberal dude but I’m getting sick of the “let’s just nuke everything we don’t like or agree with” approach.

Same here. I thought his video was a shitty edgelord attention grab because he's a shitty political partisan incel who wants attention. But permabanning him is stupid.

 

[mckmas8808]

The world is full of crybabies it's fucking sad.

Yeah and alot of them are in here too. Crazy right?

 

[Enygger_Tzu]

Youtube would probably ban those too if enough people reported it to them.

So we are going to do YT's work for YT unpaid, is that what you are proposing?

Because sure as hell don't have enough evidence that "enough people reported" this guy.

 

[LaughingStock]

this will escalate to a point that Rockstar will patch out this feminist NPC

and probably the HDR problem will continue LoL

They should patch better gunplay instead.

 

[nkarafo]

Youtube would probably ban those too if enough people reported it to them.

So there are no rules that apply to everyone? Only to the videos people reporting?

Here's the thing though. Normal people don't get offended by violent videogames. So no reason to report anything. There are enough leftist crazies however who will report a video about a feminist NPC getting killed. Basically, Youtube caters to these people.

And of course this is another proof of "rules for thee but not for me".

 

[Skyn3t]

So what's a viable alternative to YouTube?

 

[Tripolygon]

The world is full of crybabies it's fucking sad.

Yup

 

[GribbleGrunger]

The easy solution is to remove women from games.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Yup

So what are you saying with this?

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

Youtube would probably ban those too if enough people reported it to them.

Can tell you if most of the top youtubers got together and posted a similar vid, youtube would eat their policies rather than risk a mass migration to a competitor.

So what's a viable alternative to YouTube?

Bitchute could become one in time, but it takes time, and they're being demonetized from what I hear.

 

[Tripolygon]

So what's a viable alternative to YouTube?

I hear Pornhub is pretty popular. On a serious note, vimeo, Dailymotion, Metacafe, Twitch, etc.

 

[Enygger_Tzu]

So what's a viable alternative to YouTube?

Bitchute.

 

[Tripolygon]

So what are you saying with this?

Pretty obvious in context isn't it?

 

[DeepEnigma]

Pretty obvious in context isn't it?

Explain.

 

[nkarafo]

Yeah and alot of them are in here too. Crazy right?

Depends on what you cry about.

Free speech and fair treatment are important enough to cry about.

Killing NPCs in a videogame is not an important thing to cry about.

 

[cormack12]

Stuff like this really gets me. It's the inconsistency of it. I don't really understand all the youtube flagging etc. but I'm hoping it's just incorrect automated botting? I mean breaking it out...is it

The youtube comments? Well, not to be blunt but youtube comments have been garbage for some time now. And still are on loads of video's
The content? Well, it's killing an NPC in a variety of horrible ways...



Whole thing is the worst case of bed wetting in the 21st century I've ever witnessed. I mean does everyone here remember the media in the early to late 90's when we were being attacked and told that violent games would make us serial killers and murderers. Twenty years later and we're telling ourselves that message now. It's a fucking video game character, jesus christ.

 

[Tripolygon]

Explain.

Nah i'm good.

 

[Lilseb93]

I honestly find these edge lords online who always whine about feminism and SJWs to be cringey, but You Tube shouldn't have banned his account over this. That's really stupid. And it's also really dumb compare him to Hitler or ISIS. I don't agree that it encourages people to incite violence against feminists because most people don't commit violent acts because of video games. We know the difference. And You Tube picks on certain people while ignoring others. I still don't get how people like the Paul brothers are able to keep their accounts (views and revenue I guess). You Tube is just a mess. I find the videos cringey, but I would have ignored it rather than removing it. You Tube/Google, you need to be more consistent.

 

[ILLtown]

Yeah and alot of them are in here too. Crazy right?

Yeah, cos standing up against censorship definitely makes someone a crybaby.....

Winning the argument from your side should be simple. You only have to do 2 things: -

1. Explain exactly how this is incitement of real world violence.

2. Provide evidence of the link between watching a clip of video game violence and people then going out and replicating that violence for real.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I honestly find these edge lords online who always whine about feminism and SJWs to be cringey, but You Tube shouldn't have banned his account over this. That's really stupid. And it's also really dumb compare him to Hitler or ISIS. I don't agree that it encourages people to incite violence against feminists because most people don't commit violent acts because of video games. We know the difference. And You Tube picks on certain people while ignoring others. I still don't get how people like the Paul brothers are able to keep their accounts (views and revenue I guess). You Tube is just a mess. I find the videos cringey, but I would have ignored it rather than removing it. You Tube/Google, you need to be more consistent.

"You are literally Hitler/ISIS."

It never fails honestly.

 

[ILLtown]

I still don't get how people like the Paul brothers are able to keep their accounts.

It's solely about money. That's what makes it worse, cos some people think YouTube are taking a principled stance on things, when the fact is, the bigger you are, the more slack they will cut you.

 

[Lilseb93]

It's solely about money. That's what makes it worse, cos some people think YouTube are taking a principled stance on things, when the fact is, the bigger you are, the more slack they will cut you.

I added that in right when you quoted me lol, but I agree. That's one of the reasons I've watched less of You Tube outside gaming stuff.

 

[Schrödinger's cat]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-46132172

BBC reporting this as a "Videos Deleted" story, rather than "User account shut down" story.
Also, no effort to distinguish between real people and videogame characters NPCs.

 

[bilderberg]

All of you should feel ashamed of yourselves if you as much as crack a smile at this

 

[Lilseb93]

Unless you're big enough to rebound on a new account, it's pretty scary that you could lose thousands (or even millions) of subscribers and all your revenue in an instance. I didn't care for those videos, but hopefully he rebounds on You Tube or at least has a regular job.

 

[linker]

It's solely about money. That's what makes it worse, cos some people think YouTube are taking a principled stance on things, when the fact is, the bigger you are, the more slack they will cut you.

Only when it benefits them though, consider what happened to Pewdiepie.
I mean, Logan Paul and his brother are posting videos that would be illegal on TV (because of the aggressive advertisement to children) and have been terrorizing their neighborhood but hey, Pewdiepie has said the n-word once in a livestream (and apologized for it) and made jokes that made some insane asylum nutcase write an article on the WSJ depicting him as a fucking nazi when he was just memeing, so let's basically shit on him in every possible way whilst the children brainwasher that films corpses is A-OK.

 

[cormack12]

The easy solution is to remove women from games.

Seriously though it does raise that question. How can people advocate for more female representation and then moan when they are treated just like game characters? Expendable, victims of horrible sandbox created deaths etc.

 

[Tripolygon]

It's solely about money. That's what makes it worse, cos some people think YouTube are taking a principled stance on things, when the fact is, the bigger you are, the more slack they will cut you.

Money is a big motivator for getting a lot of things done. Advertisers don't want to be associated with certain things so youtube will readily take down your video if it is not making them money and gives them negative press. Free market and such.

 

[nkarafo]

Seriously though it does raise that question. How can people advocate for more female representation and then moan when they are treated just like game characters? Expendable, victims of horrible sandbox created deaths etc.

All this time i thought women wanted to be treated equally in an industry that is dominated by men. But it's not equality they want, it's special treatment it seems.

 

[Doczu]

So did anyone of the special snowflake forces on GAF respond to the info that the user had a bazilion clips of torturing, murdering and disposing of many different NPCs in the game, or are they still trying to spin the narrative to "yikes", "but my fee fee's" and "these pixels are are representations of stomped feminists and how toxic masculinity and youtube rape culture are exploiting them"?

I'm at page three at it looks like they have a terminal case of "fact ommision".

 

[ILLtown]

Money is a big motivator for getting a lot of things done. Advertisers don't want to be associated with certain things so youtube will readily take down your video if it is not making them money and gives them negative press. Free market and such.

YouTube demonetise videos that they deem unsuitable for advertising, while also leaving the videos up, so if that was the issue here they'd have done that in this case too.

 

[nkarafo]

YouTube demonetise videos that they deem unsuitable for advertising, while also leaving the videos up, so if that was the issue here they'd have done that in this case too.

Not only they didn't let the videos up, they banned the whole channel...

 

[bilderberg]

Seriously though it does raise that question. How can people advocate for more female representation and then moan when they are treated just like game characters? Expendable, victims of horrible sandbox created deaths etc.

I'll quote my self from another topic

Spoiler

I see the #1 reason for lack of female protagonists in games is the fear of potential backlash for doing 'x' or 'y'. Their are so many rules for what you can and can not do with a female protagonist,which simply don't exist for male characters, that it's no wonder most developers would rather say "fuck it" and not deal with it.

1. Female characters above all else have to be 'strong'. Drama should be about exploring our flaws and overcoming them, but their goal is to make women these perfect characters whose goal is to empower women, or something?..Above just creating interesting characters.
2. Body proportions have to fit an exact mold as to not be 'sexualized.' "we're for all body types, except DD's or a fat ass" basically. This sort of goes with costume design as well. Male characters are allowed to sport the most unpractical designs and no one gives a shit about whether he's shirtless or not being protected by armor. But once a female shows cleavage it's like everyone's only reason for playing games is to criticize what is and isn't practical.
3. Can't show your female protagonist being killed in as gruesome a fashion as male's(Resident Evil, Dead Space, etc) but the recent Tomb Raider games are sort of bucking this trend. Although, the "torture porn" reaction that a lot of people have because Lara is a woman may still push this back.
4. And the a.i. can't even call you a "bitch" without receiving hit pieces on how you're perpetuating misogyny through your game.
5. And on top of that their are so many other rules like "damsel in distress", that you pretty much can't do anything but follow a feminist checklist as to not be 'problematic' in some way.

I swear that these people are their own worst enemy when it comes to female representation in games.

Soon, developers wont even be safe from backlash for the action of their own players. I was reading posts on reset where people were advocating rockstar should just exempt certain races and genders from this kind of potential behavior. The safe solution really is to just get rid of all women and minorities in games. I feel sick just typing that out. Gaming has gotten too fucking cuckoo.

 

[Dada55000]

This is a republic not a democracy,

This is an aside, but where the hell did this sentiment come from? I see it more and more, and I feel like people don't know what they are saying. Those are not mutually exclusive terms, nor are they categorically opposed to eachother. Of course the US is a democracy, saying it isn't is absurd.

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

This is an aside, but where the hell did this sentiment come from? I see it more and more, and I feel like people don't know what they are saying. Those are not mutually exclusive terms, nor are they categorically opposed to eachother. Of course the US is a democracy, saying it isn't is absurd.

The thing is people think mob rule is a good idea. We have representatives to enact policies, act as intermediaries and stop the majority from acting as a mob and oppressing the rights of the minority.

It is this advocacy for oppression of minorities, speech that may perhaps be viewed as offensive, by mob rule that is fought against. A minority of thought or opinion is quite different from the left's identity politics, and needs to be protected.

 

[Tripolygon]

YouTube demonetise videos that they deem unsuitable for advertising, while also leaving the videos up, so if that was the issue here they'd have done that in this case too.

That's just a general statement on what youtube does when you draw negative press towards them and are small enough to not affect their bottom line. I think the issue at play in this case is that he titled his videos killing feminists, killing feminists and feeding them to animals and whatever variation to that effect he used to draw attention to his channel.

 

[Lort]

The difference being ISIS's goal is specifically to incite violence and fear. To make the comparison you're making you would need to outline how violence in games incites real world violence, which from decades of research is bullshit. Even the most fervent free speech people aren't going to advocate it's okay to scream 'bomb' on an airplane or 'fire' in a crowded place.

Its got nothing to do with videogames.. if the video aims to incite violence then it can be banned by the TOS.

So inciting violence against feminsts isnt trying to intimidate them to censor them.. sure seems like a lot of people here have no problem with trying to censor feminists.

Maybe people actually dont like to have free speech hating violence insighting sellout videos on their video platform and so youtube is doing it for the money? Does thay make it ok then?

Would you rather a government sponsored video site so everyone could upload any video they wanted ?. or would u rather the free market as it is now that has allowed penty of other video sites like liveleak and vimeo to exist.. in short what u want is what we have right now. A free market were corporations can host only the content they feel is appropriate.

Welcome to the real world.

 

[ILLtown]

That's just a general statement on what youtube does when you draw negative press towards them and are small enough to not affect their bottom line. I think the issue at play in this case is that he titled his videos killing feminists, killing feminists and feeding them to animals and whatever variation to that effect he used to draw attention to his channel.

But his previous "killing cops" videos were fine, it seems.....

 

[Enygger_Tzu]

Its got nothing to do with videogames.. if the video aims to incite violence then it can be banned by the TOS.

Can you point where in his video he aims to incite violence against someone?

 

[DeepEnigma]

But his previous "killing cops" videos were fine, it seems.....

Fits the mantra of those who get offended over this stuff.

 

[Skyn3t]

YouTube's justification of the ban.

 

[Stuart360]

Cant believe some people are actually defending this, Jesus wept.
This current world has gone to the shitter.

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

I Have a Video with more of 50 Corpse of Federals in the floor of a Medical Clinic.

Thats not bad too?