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[llien]

Going to 7nm & removing unneeded parts could get them somewhere in between Xbox One S & Nvidia Shield / Apple Tv

Xbox One S is about 10 times more powerful than Shield (0.3 Tflop), how could you even put these into the same sentence?

 

[TLZ]

Xbox One S is about 10 times more powerful than Shield (0.3 Tflop), how could you even put these into the same sentence?

He's talking about the size of the rumored discless Xbox.

About the TF, isn't shield between 0.7-0.8?

And 0.3 to 1.3 isn't 10 times That's a bit more than 4 times. 10 times would mean 3TF

 

[llien]

And 0.3 to 1.3 isn't 10 times

I'm totally lost in all the xbox versions, I admit.

 

[SaucyJack]

Hang on, it went from a $100 in the other article to a $25 saving in this one. That went down pretty quick! For a good discount I would definitely go discless, for just $25 I probably wouldn't. I know how much a drive costs physically but wouldn't there also be savings on Blue Ray licencing as well to consider?

This.

 

[IbizaPocholo]

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https://www.neogaf.com/threads/disc-less-xb1-releasing-in-2019.1468186/

 

[Son_of_Zardoz]

Nope.

Simply saying MOST times throughout the year, physical will be cheaper. As in I can buy Black Ops 2 for 4 bucks used on disk....can't do that on Steam or other platforms right now. So its your few days of a sale vs most of the year.

That's still not always so I don't even know why you bothered to respond to my comments, or after seeing your other posts, even bothered to enter this thread. You don't like digital, that's fine. This is simply an option for those who do like digital. Your opinions don't change that fact. But now that we are on opinions, I would rather not pay $5 less for a used copy of a recently released game (not talking about old games) and have all of that money go to Gamestop than pay full price and support the devs.

 

[Imtjnotu]

Exactly. Having to buy MORE things to supplement something missing doesn't even help you, it means you actually lost money and now just have a system that does less.

I'd rather just get a XONE with a disk drive used as not only would it be cheaper, it would do more too lol

I do not think he understands anything going on in this thread. All I'm asking for MS to do is have a disk less xbox one come with a larger internal hdd. 1tb is too small

 

[Son_of_Zardoz]

I do not think he understands anything going on in this thread. All I'm asking for MS to do is have a disk less xbox one come with a larger internal hdd. 1tb is too small

Just another place for him to vent I guess.

I agree, 1tb would be too small but I think 2tb would be good. If they are trying to really cut costs they aren't going to go too large and I'd rather just plug in my external for more space. I use a 4tb for my X and it's barely over half full now and I could probably stand to cut that down based on what I play.

 

[Breakage]

This thing is gonna have a really limited audience, and at this stage in the current generation, it seems pointless. It's not as if the One S or X is physically really big.
It is a gimped version of the Xbox One (I'm convinced it'll be called the Xbox One E). What is the real advantage here? Price? You'll no doubt have to buy a high capacity external HD on top (unless you like deleting and re-downloading stuff).

 

[quickwhips]

Well those games are also able to be uninstalled at will and reinstalled pretty quickly compared to digital.

If I wanted to play MGSV right now, I'd be playing in mere minutes as all I have to do is install the disk.

If I owned it digital, it would be literally hours of waiting.

I have 1 gig connection most games take me 10-15 minutes to install and download.

 

[gspat]

I have 1 gig connection most games take me 10-15 minutes to install and download.

Bully for you sir!

You truly are in the 1%.

 

[theclaw135]

This thing is gonna have a really limited audience, and at this stage in the current generation, it seems pointless. It's not as if the One S or X is physically really big.
It is a gimped version of the Xbox One (I'm convinced it'll be called the Xbox One E). What is the real advantage here? Price? You'll no doubt have to buy a high capacity external HD on top (unless you like deleting and re-downloading stuff).

Storage is paramount. Vita's 32GB limit was bad already (64GB wasn't released in my region), though it's a handheld.
AAA console games now push 100GB. Each.

 

[quickwhips]

Bully for you sir!

You truly are in the 1%.

I’m not the 1% but I might be the top 45%. I don’t think saying everyone has 10mbs or less is serious in 2018. Most cell phones have faster speeds. But I will say some people unfortunately have caps.

 

[IncognitoPanda]

This thing is gonna have a really limited audience, and at this stage in the current generation, it seems pointless. It's not as if the One S or X is physically really big.
It is a gimped version of the Xbox One (I'm convinced it'll be called the Xbox One E). What is the real advantage here? Price? You'll no doubt have to buy a high capacity external HD on top (unless you like deleting and re-downloading stuff).

I believe the real advantage will be price.

 

[Louis Cyphre]

Just another place for him to vent I guess.

I agree, 1tb would be too small but I think 2tb would be good. If they are trying to really cut costs they aren't going to go too large and I'd rather just plug in my external for more space. I use a 4tb for my X and it's barely over half full now and I could probably stand to cut that down based on what I play.

Yup. Doesn't like digital and has no interest in an Xbox One yet here he is.

Personally I think it's great they are giving out more options. Once they come out with their streaming service and expand on Game Pass more and more will care less about physical copies.

 

[Breakage]

Storage is paramount. Vita's 32GB limit was bad already (64GB wasn't released in my region), though it's a handheld.
AAA console games now push 100GB. Each.

Yeah, that's the thing: game file sizes are massive these days. If they were the size of last gen games, I could see how a disc-less Xbox One could be attractive. But with games at 100GB a pop that high capacity HDD will be filled up in no time. I just don't see who this is supposed to appeal to. If you're rich enough to have a ultra-fast internet connection (which is what this disc-less console will need to avoid being utterly infuriating) , then you're likely to be rich enough to afford a high-end TV and an Xbox One X.

 

[Dr. Claus]

I truly hope this thing fails. I hate the idea of a digital-only future for gaming.

 

[Breakage]

I believe the real advantage will be price.

But if you're rich enough to afford an ultra fast internet connection, which this thing will undoubtedly require, then surely you can, at the very least, afford an Xbox One S.

 

[EDMIX]

I have 1 gig connection most games take me 10-15 minutes to install and download.

"i have"

Thats nice. That means very little to me as I'm not paying more money, to own less of a game lol A 1 gig connection isn't giving you P.T when the publisher removed it from the store and isn't giving you cheaper games. I'd argue the extra money being spent on a 1 gig set up nullifies any of those sales on digital games anyway lol

 

[Louis Cyphre]

Yeah, that's the thing: game file sizes are massive these days. If they were the size of last gen games, I could see how a disc-less Xbox One could be attractive. But with games at 100GB a pop that high capacity HDD will be filled up in no time. I just don't see who this is supposed to appeal to. If you're rich enough to have a ultra-fast internet connection (which is what this disc-less console will need to avoid being utterly infuriating) , then you're likely to be rich enough to afford a high-end TV and an Xbox One X.

But if you're rich enough to afford an ultra fast internet connection, which this thing will undoubtedly require, then surely you can, at the very least, afford an Xbox One S.

Lol, so now everyone who plays games on a pc is rich since the majority of us buy digital games.

 

[Louis Cyphre]

"i have"

Thats nice. That means very little to me as I'm not paying more money, to own less of a game lol A 1 gig connection isn't giving you P.T when the publisher removed it from the store and isn't giving you cheaper games. I'd argue the extra money being spent on a 1 gig set up nullifies any of those sales on digital games anyway lol

Lol, yet you keep telling everyone you're a pc gamer. lol.

Oh wait, that's just for Xbox console exclusives that you never buy.

Lol

 

[Breakage]

Lol, so now everyone who plays games on a pc is rich since the majority of us buy digital games.

Do you know any poor people who have ultra fast internet connections?

 

[Boris The Spider]

I'm totally ok with this as a choice given that we can also buy a version of the Xbox One that has a disc drive. If it's a bit cheaper and you have a whopping internet connection and want to go digital only, go for it.

 

[Louis Cyphre]

Do you know any poor people who have ultra fast internet connections?

So let me get this straight. All those people who download games on their PS4 and Switch are rich too and have ultra fast connections?

You're embellishing things. There is a market out there for digital. The PC has been fine for many years going mostly this route. Digital sales on consoles have risen year over year. I think EA has it at about 50% of their software sales now.

Maybe 10 years ago what you're saying would have more merit but not today. Not when services like Netflix have exploded onto the scene, and they also have 4k options for awhile now.

If you don't have a good connection you can preload your games. If your connection is terrible you have physical disk systems available. In other words you're covered either way.

 

[EDMIX]

That's still not always so I don't even know why you bothered to respond to my comments, or after seeing your other posts, even bothered to enter this thread. You don't like digital, that's fine. This is simply an option for those who do like digital. Your opinions don't change that fact. But now that we are on opinions, I would rather not pay $5 less for a used copy of a recently released game (not talking about old games) and have all of that money go to Gamestop than pay full price and support the devs.

You are arguing over a word that person stated in terms of "always" as I never stated that. SImply that MOST of the times its like 4 to 5 bucks for Black Ops 2, SOOOOOOO much, that the term "always" is irrelevant. Enough for it being FULL PRICE else where to matter.

Sorry but you can argue over words with that dude all day, but publishers in a digital only set up are keeping those prices to what they want them to be. They are not going to be putting their games at 4 bucks or 5 bucks for 99% of the year...

Never said anything about not liking digital as I own many games digital, simply that the price of digital stay so much the same during the year, it doesn't even matter if its a 2011 or 2012 game, they are not just putting it to $5 and moving on, they are keeping it full price and a weeks out of the year doing some sales that rarely even come NEAR that price. I don't think you really want to talk about the topic, you want to argue over someone saying "always" lol

Not the point.

A 2012 game shouldn't be FULL PRICE on digital in 2018, that is just beyond ridicules and this is the level of greed these publishers have. Has nothing to do with "support the devs". A used game needs to be BOUGHT FIRST in order to be used. I see zero reason to pay someone twice for 1 product. So we can relax trying to turn this into a some moral thing as its clear most on here can't justify why someone is charging full price for such a old game. So I don't mind digital games as I buy them myself, but DISK keep that method in check so those sales need to keep going on so publisher know customers still have other options. When they get rid of those options, we'll see how many times those games go on sale bud...

 

[Louis Cyphre]

You are arguing over a word that person stated in terms of "always" as I never stated that. SImply that MOST of the times its like 4 to 5 bucks for Black Ops 2, SOOOOOOO much, that the term "always" is irrelevant. Enough for it being FULL PRICE else where to matter.

Sorry but you can argue over words with that dude all day, but publishers in a digital only set up are keeping those prices to what they want them to be. They are not going to be putting their games at 4 bucks or 5 bucks for 99% of the year...

Never said anything about not liking digital as I own many games digital, simply that the price of digital stay so much the same during the year, it doesn't even matter if its a 2011 or 2012 game, they are not just putting it to $5 and moving on, they are keeping it full price and a weeks out of the year doing some sales that rarely even come NEAR that price. I don't think you really want to talk about the topic, you want to argue over someone saying "always" lol

Not the point.

A 2012 game shouldn't be FULL PRICE on digital in 2018, that is just beyond ridicules and this is the level of greed these publishers have. Has nothing to do with "support the devs". A used game needs to be BOUGHT FIRST in order to be used. I see zero reason to pay someone twice for 1 product. So we can relax trying to turn this into a some moral thing as its clear most on here can't justify why someone is charging full price for such a old game. So I don't mind digital games as I buy them myself, but DISK keep that method in check so those sales need to keep going on so publisher know customers still have other options. When they get rid of those options, we'll see how many times those games go on sale bud...

False. Just ask Nintendo how physical keeps prices in check. Games like Braid were digital only and was so cheap. There are many games that were digital only that have had plenty of sales. You are also paying extra on consoles because of licensing fees.

Retailers will not stock games if they are cheaper digitally. That's why we are not seeing cheaper prices. Used games are a totally different scenario and that is why people prefer physical games.

 

[IncognitoPanda]

But if you're rich enough to afford an ultra fast internet connection, which this thing will undoubtedly require, then surely you can, at the very least, afford an Xbox One S.

You don't need to be a 1%er to have fast Internet or wanting to save money. We have fiber and we're not rich. Plus many rich people are rich because they're good with money and make sensible investments.

 

[gspat]

It's not about money a lot of the time...

I'm literally across the alley from fiber. It's where the zone stops and that is that.

 

[theclaw135]

False. Just ask Nintendo how physical keeps prices in check. Games like Braid were digital only and was so cheap. There are many games that were digital only that have had plenty of sales. You are also paying extra on consoles because of licensing fees.

Retailers will not stock games if they are cheaper digitally. That's why we are not seeing cheaper prices. Used games are a totally different scenario and that is why people prefer physical games.

Price cuts are really only good for mid range games.
A game that keeps on selling doesn't need it, while promoting a flop is a wasted effort.

Physical retailers must liquidate the latter on their own anyway due to shelf space.

 

[quickwhips]

"i have"

Thats nice. That means very little to me as I'm not paying more money, to own less of a game lol A 1 gig connection isn't giving you P.T when the publisher removed it from the store and isn't giving you cheaper games. I'd argue the extra money being spent on a 1 gig set up nullifies any of those sales on digital games anyway lol

Anyone who writes lol after a sentence has other issues. Your moving the goal post. No games you buy physical are going to work if the developer decides to kill it. I mean the fact that PT stopped working says more about Sony than anything. But literally 1 gig cost me 59.99 a month. I’m not sure of any game on ps4 or Xbox that doesn’t require an install any longer and most require a day one patch. Have fun driving to the store then downloading the game when you get home. Btw gas is expensive let’s include that in the price. See how silly that sounds?

 

[gspat]

You've never played without installing the patches and updates?

It's loads of fun.. you should try it!

 

[ReBurn]

Anyone who writes lol after a sentence has other issues. Your moving the goal post. No games you buy physical are going to work if the developer decides to kill it. I mean the fact that PT stopped working says more about Sony than anything. But literally 1 gig cost me 59.99 a month. I’m not sure of any game on ps4 or Xbox that doesn’t require an install any longer and most require a day one patch. Have fun driving to the store then downloading the game when you get home. Btw gas is expensive let’s include that in the price. See how silly that sounds?

You make a good point. Physical games are no longer complete versions and haven't been for a long time. So buying games on disc does not protect against a digital future. Games that require day 1 patches have already tied everyone to digital distribution.

I've read a lot of people say that at least they can still play some version of their games with the disc, but it's going to be a broken experience. Developers no longer have incentive to ship working software. And platform holders restrict access to online capabilities for unpatched software.

The only real remaining benefits to physical distribution are that price drops happen faster as retailers need to clear stock and the ability to trade or sell old games subsidizes new game sales.

 

[quickwhips]

You make a good point. Physical games are no longer complete versions and haven't been for a long time. So buying games on disc does not protect against a digital future. Games that require day 1 patches have already tied everyone to digital distribution.

I've read a lot of people say that at least they can still play some version of their games with the disc, but it's going to be a broken experience. Developers no longer have incentive to ship working software. And platform holders restrict access to online capabilities for unpatched software.

The only real remaining benefits to physical distribution are that price drops happen faster as retailers need to clear stock and the ability to trade or sell old games subsidizes new game sales.

Totally agree. I’m interested if Microsoft lets you buy used games and convert them to digital games it could get interesting on digital prices. But I’ll wait and see.

 

[Louis Cyphre]

R

Price cuts are really only good for mid range games.
A game that keeps on selling doesn't need it, while promoting a flop is a wasted effort.

Physical retailers must liquidate the latter on their own anyway due to shelf space.

Retailers also control pricing. If digital is cheaper they will not stock them. The only platform we can really compare to is pc and ironically console games are on average higher at retail and on their respective stores.

It is the used market that is all based on supply and demand.

 

[EDMIX]

Anyone who writes lol after a sentence has other issues. Your moving the goal post. No games you buy physical are going to work if the developer decides to kill it. I mean the fact that PT stopped working says more about Sony than anything. But literally 1 gig cost me 59.99 a month. I’m not sure of any game on ps4 or Xbox that doesn’t require an install any longer and most require a day one patch. Have fun driving to the store then downloading the game when you get home. Btw gas is expensive let’s include that in the price. See how silly that sounds?

Yea, I'm not paying the price of a full game for that. I'm good where I"m at. PT has nothing to do with Sony, its Konami's IP and they decided they wanted to cancel Silent Hills and remove PT. They have their right to do that btw , simply that in a all digital situation, what stop EA from removing Madden 2020 to sell Madden 2021? What stops Activision from removing Call Of Duties to push the current ones?

Nothing silly about ordering a game online and having it ship to your house. That shipping isn't coming to 60 a month bud.

So digital only gives you more issues then just having a disk, I'd argue going digital only makes more sense if DISK are still an option so you can keep getting discounts on digital to keep up with used games or physical sales etc.

Less options isn't going to help.

 

[EDMIX]

Totally agree. I’m interested if Microsoft lets you buy used games and convert them to digital games it could get interesting on digital prices. But I’ll wait and see.

Would ideal and a great feature if they allow it. I don't know how publishers might feel about it, maybe they'll need to break the disk for something at the retailer so its legit or something or have some kiosk where you bring your disk and get a digital code and the machine breaks it for you

"lolz"

 

[EDMIX]

You make a good point. Physical games are no longer complete versions and haven't been for a long time. So buying games on disc does not protect against a digital future. Games that require day 1 patches have already tied everyone to digital distribution.

I've read a lot of people say that at least they can still play some version of their games with the disc, but it's going to be a broken experience. Developers no longer have incentive to ship working software. And platform holders restrict access to online capabilities for unpatched software.

The only real remaining benefits to physical distribution are that price drops happen faster as retailers need to clear stock and the ability to trade or sell old games subsidizes new game sales.

That isn't as much of an issue a much as it is that publishers are doing it in the first place.

So I get some games need patches if something needs to be corrected, but I think we need some law to say that the game must actually function day 1 as to avoid publishers from trying to mismarket what they are creating. A game needing online should ONLY be for a online feature like MP, not to release broken games and then have the consumer downloading the rest of something they bought on disk for a reason

(evil eyes at Spyro) lol

Having the disk at least allows for the rights of the customer to receive a working game (at least it should be)

 

[Louis Cyphre]

Yea, I'm not paying the price of a full game for that. I'm good where I"m at. PT has nothing to do with Sony, its Konami's IP and they decided they wanted to cancel Silent Hills and remove PT. They have their right to do that btw , simply that in a all digital situation, what stop EA from removing Madden 2020 to sell Madden 2021? What stops Activision from removing Call Of Duties to push the current ones?

Nothing silly about ordering a game online and having it ship to your house. That shipping isn't coming to 60 a month bud.

So digital only gives you more issues then just having a disk, I'd argue going digital only makes more sense if DISK are still an option so you can keep getting discounts on digital to keep up with used games or physical sales etc.

Less options isn't going to help.

It's more options but thanks again for your concern. Your physical copy of GT Sport is going to mean nothing in a few years anyways. Yes, Sony does indeed have something to do with that. Same with every online supported game. My copy of Warhawk is another example.

On the contrary the Xbox One X can and does enhance older titles like Red Dead Redemption. Your physical copy is just a licence.

 

[EDMIX]

I'm totally ok with this as a choice given that we can also buy a version of the Xbox One that has a disc drive. If it's a bit cheaper and you have a whopping internet connection and want to go digital only, go for it.

Agreed.

Thats how I want them to do the next XB. I never had a issue with their whole DRM thing, I had a issue that it was THE ONLY OPTION! If they want to try a new thing, thats fine and all, but trying to then REMOVE other features only shows it has everything to do with trying to mess over customers, get rid of the used market etc. Nothing to do with player choice. XB360 launched with 2 skus, did very well with that set up, so I found it pretty damn odd that XONE only had 1 and now they don't know how to work a disk drive all of a sudden LOL !!

So they need to learn that lesson and realize gamers are not putting up with that junk. They can release with 2 SKUs and have a digital one and most won't really be mad at a option. So I think choice will be a major part of the next XB, 2 different skus or even 3, streaming to tv's and phones, playing on PC etc

 

[gspat]

It's more options but thanks again for your concern. Your physical copy of GT Sport is going to mean nothing in a few years anyways. Yes, Sony does indeed have something to do with that. Same with every online supported game. My copy of Warhawk is another example.

On the contrary the Xbox One X can and does enhance older titles like Red Dead Redemption. Your physical copy is just a licence.

The license to a physical copy of a game and a digital copy are two different things.

1). The digital license can be revoked. (PT amongst numerous other games as well as numerous examples from other digital storefronts) This might be something that can be fought in court though.
2). Physical licenses include access to all the in-game assets in perpetuity. You won't pop in your physical copy of guitar hero and have "Through the fire and flame" replaced with "Wrecking ball"

 

[Kenpachii]

Nothing wrong with digital, something wrong with ONLY digital. Trust me, you want the option for others as it helps even you stay digital but with more rights. Look at Telltale, sad but they are removing games from Steam because they are going out of business or look at P.T.

Imagine if Telltale only made digital games? See the issue? So I say, if you like digital, physical is still your buddy helping you protect your rights at least. Digital has the sales it has to compete with those physical copies. With zero physical, no publisher like EA really has a ode to lower prices if they control the entire market in terms of distribution. The free market on used games on disk allow those publishers to know that they have to still compete against those used copies to get a sale.

Look at the prices of Call Of Duty games on Steam....

Imagine what they'd do if they had no disk versions to compete with?

Seems like a lot of people are against digital because they are still stuck in the past and can't seem to see past there nostalgic feelings. Because physical is beyond worse then digital will ever be. And this gets proven by the fact that every industry besides consoles moved towards it ( well even physical on consoles its on its way out ).

Then your telltale example.

Removing your game from steam is the same as removing your game out of stores because you simple are out of business and not selling any copy's to stores anymore. it's the same thing.

Nobody is going to remove your bought copy of your steam account. Want the game after its gone? enough sites that sell them. Steam is just a platform with a shop bolted into it, there are tons of shops that sell codes for the platform. It's like buying ink for your printer, who goes to there HP distributor everybody goes to after market company's.

Your competition with digital physical copy's is nonsense and PC proofs this ast here are no physical second handed copy's of games and games still sell for dirt cheap. So big fat nope on that one. ( my reaction on the second quote has a fallout example of this ).

Call of duty games are cheap as hell on PC if you wanted them.

Then also because physical is expensive to even push out, you need a publisher and older more nich games or small games will never see the day of light. Digital that's not the case. I recently bought Urban chaos for 70 cents on steam. Good luck getting that game into shops physically aint happening.

So for BC reasons Digital is the way to go. Games will stay forever accessable, paid or unpaid.

Well not really. Its %50 off and shows 6 DAYS LEFT! As in for a LIMITED time its on sale.

Used prices may go up or down for a bit, but they generally stay low as in below full price. Sooooo both distribution set ups have sales, but only with physical do you have a option of used to be lower in price all year round.

VS

For a few days....

edit .

vs

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007XVTR3K/?tag=neogaf0e-20

So that full price for a 2012 game digital.

vs

4 bucks used

Both will go on sale, but I'd rather be able to buy and play my games all year around, not waiting for a sale of a 2012 game...do you get how crazy that actually is?

What a joke.

And the list goes on.

Thats a brand new copy, get the key in 1 minute, takes 1 minute to pay, download takes whatever minutes the size of it is. Play in a hour from now ( if its a large file ) without additional cost or anything. Will be forever in your library never gets lost or damaged and done.

How is that physical 4 buck second handed copy that you don't know the quality of that still got to get shipped also ( which costs extra ) , takes up space and has to be switched and get get lost.

Now lets go a bit towards newer titles.

I can get fallout 76 currently for 27 bucks on PC and 36 for PS4 digitally. ( this will only get cheaper as time goes and no more expensive )
I can get fallout 76 currently for 49 bucks on pc and 46 bucks on PS4 physically.

You are cherry picking stuff, comparing second handed with new market. It makes no sense.

The problem is with a lot of people is that they keep being hooked towards the main shop, yet cd key sites also exist for consoles and the digital market. and frankly 9 out of the 10 times its cheaper then any physical version that is offered.

Second handed market is pointless to me, because discs are damaged / used state of it is just yolo to the max and besides that it does not support devs even remotely. So in my eyes second handed market is the same as piracy. No matter how much the physical market has adopted it as a standard the end result is the same.

I buy my games dirt cheap, alan wake for example also a older 2012 game, goes for 0,97 cents, cheapest i could find it physically 18 bucks, it was on a sale for 3 bucks a while back digitally. So yes yo u can buy your digital games all year long for cheap without issue's.

Another example age of empire 2, got a sale now and key sites are buying in on them in masses. as key sites now start to adjust there prices accordingly from the last 17 buck price. So basically sales are permanent almost always for PC on popular titles.

 

[Terrible_Majesty]

I prefer physical with the option of installing the game on my console so I don’t have to keep inserting the disc and thus saving the console energy and processing power

 

[Pachi72]

Digital all the way for me. It is the future on consoles.

 

[Pachi72]

The advantage of digital game vs physical games. God forbids if your house burns down you cannot recover your discs. But we digital games you can just buy a new PS4 and redownload all your game that you bought. I can also take my PS4 anywhere without carrying any games physical games

 

[Karuyag]

But what about dat 4K UHD HDR Blu ray movies!?

 

[EDMIX]

Seems like a lot of people are against digital because they are still stuck in the past and can't seem to see past there nostalgic feelings. Because physical is beyond worse then digital will ever be. And this gets proven by the fact that every industry besides consoles moved towards it ( well even physical on consoles its on its way out ).

Then your telltale example.

Removing your game from steam is the same as removing your game out of stores because you simple are out of business and not selling any copy's to stores anymore. it's the same thing.

Nobody is going to remove your bought copy of your steam account. Want the game after its gone? enough sites that sell them. Steam is just a platform with a shop bolted into it, there are tons of shops that sell codes for the platform. It's like buying ink for your printer, who goes to there HP distributor everybody goes to after market company's.

Your competition with digital physical copy's is nonsense and PC proofs this ast here are no physical second handed copy's of games and games still sell for dirt cheap. So big fat nope on that one. ( my reaction on the second quote has a fallout example of this ).

Call of duty games are cheap as hell on PC if you wanted them.

Then also because physical is expensive to even push out, you need a publisher and older more nich games or small games will never see the day of light. Digital that's not the case. I recently bought Urban chaos for 70 cents on steam. Good luck getting that game into shops physically aint happening.

So for BC reasons Digital is the way to go. Games will stay forever accessable, paid or unpaid.




What a joke.

And the list goes on.

Thats a brand new copy, get the key in 1 minute, takes 1 minute to pay, download takes whatever minutes the size of it is. Play in a hour from now ( if its a large file ) without additional cost or anything. Will be forever in your library never gets lost or damaged and done.

How is that physical 4 buck second handed copy that you don't know the quality of that still got to get shipped also ( which costs extra ) , takes up space and has to be switched and get get lost.

Now lets go a bit towards newer titles.

I can get fallout 76 currently for 27 bucks on PC and 36 for PS4 digitally. ( this will only get cheaper as time goes and no more expensive )
I can get fallout 76 currently for 49 bucks on pc and 46 bucks on PS4 physically.

You are cherry picking stuff, comparing second handed with new market. It makes no sense.

The problem is with a lot of people is that they keep being hooked towards the main shop, yet cd key sites also exist for consoles and the digital market. and frankly 9 out of the 10 times its cheaper then any physical version that is offered.

Second handed market is pointless to me, because discs are damaged / used state of it is just yolo to the max and besides that it does not support devs even remotely. So in my eyes second handed market is the same as piracy. No matter how much the physical market has adopted it as a standard the end result is the same.

I buy my games dirt cheap, alan wake for example also a older 2012 game, goes for 0,97 cents, cheapest i could find it physically 18 bucks, it was on a sale for 3 bucks a while back digitally. So yes yo u can buy your digital games all year long for cheap without issue's.

Another example age of empire 2, got a sale now and key sites are buying in on them in masses. as key sites now start to adjust there prices accordingly from the last 17 buck price. So basically sales are permanent almost always for PC on popular titles.

yea not using questionable sites to obtain games...

I'll keep my legally obtained disk...

 

[Deleted member 740922]

Seems like a lot of people are against digital because they are still stuck in the past and can't seem to see past there nostalgic feelings.

My ISP must have nostalgic feelings then. All digital is not an option for many, many people. I could order a game from Amazon and it would arrive in less time than it would take to download. Usually cheaper too - plus it has resale value which shouldn't be dismissed. Who wants to be stuck with a full price digital download that you hate?

So no, this nostalgia thing only goes so far - to suggest otherwise is silly.

 

[EDMIX]

My ISP must have nostalgic feelings then. All digital is not an option for many, many people. I could order a game from Amazon and it would arrive in less time than it would take to download. Usually cheaper too - plus it has resale value which shouldn't be dismissed. Who wants to be stuck with a full price digital download that you hate?

So no, this nostalgia thing only goes so far - to suggest otherwise is silly.

Agreed. I'm not paying MORE MONEY to get faster speed, to obtain less rights and features on a game lol

Be like "click here to pay more money, for more speed, to get a game you can't trade or sell" lol

It just doesn't make sense for me. When I buy used on disk, its not only cheaper, but owning the disk means I can just give it to family, friends, sell it or just keep it. I don't worry about my PS2 copy of MGS3, the publisher going out of business won't make it go a way.

Yet.....look at P.T.

Its an amount of control I'm not ok with and even with me owning some digital games, I make sure I do so with games I don't care THAT much about or with content that has no version on disk. Lost Sphere or Hellblade when it first came out. When its digital, you have to do all this crap like make sure your internet is up, make sure you don't have a cap, make sure the company doesn't close down, removing the game from servers making it unable to re-download etc

or just buy the disk and have that control in your hands........

 

[HeresJohnny]

Agreed. I'm not paying MORE MONEY to get faster speed, to obtain less rights and features on a game lol

Be like "click here to pay more money, for more speed, to get a game you can't trade or sell" lol

It just doesn't make sense for me. When I buy used on disk, its not only cheaper, but owning the disk means I can just give it to family, friends, sell it or just keep it. I don't worry about my PS2 copy of MGS3, the publisher going out of business won't make it go a way.

Yet.....look at P.T.

Its an amount of control I'm not ok with and even with me owning some digital games, I make sure I do so with games I don't care THAT much about or with content that has no version on disk. Lost Sphere or Hellblade when it first came out. When its digital, you have to do all this crap like make sure your internet is up, make sure you don't have a cap, make sure the company doesn't close down, removing the game from servers making it unable to re-download etc

or just buy the disk and have that control in your hands........

I was going to reply but this response basically sums up everything I have to say about this. The only thing I'll add is that buying digital means you're going to get bent over and pay whatever price they demand from you. There's no competition, so you'll pay what you pay. Not only that, I've seen too many times where I've bought a game for $20 on sale only to see it at $35 (or more) on the digital side. Yeah, NOPE.

 

[Shin]

Wasn't this their original vision to begin with?
Sounds like they were 5 year ahead of their time, plus it will save about $10-20 on the UHD drive, cooling solution, space...overall.
That would help them drop the price and be even more competitive, whether it will make a difference or not in this stage of things IDK.
But at least they are trying to do something instead of throwing in the towel (a long with buying new studio's).