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Alita: Battle Angel

McCheese

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As the movie is officially out today in some parts of Europe, lets have an official thread for it!

Synopsis

I watched the OVA when I was in my teens and was smitten by it, and ended up keeping up with all the Manga all the way up to Mars Chronicles which is currently on-going. The story revolves around Alita (aka 'Gally' over in Japan) who is found in the scrap heap after being dumped with the trash from the floating city Zalem, with no memories of who she was or why she knows the long forgotten martian fighting style Panzer Kunst.

The setting is rather special too, it's in a distant future where mankind inhabited the stars and had amazing magic-like technology, but then fucked it up (as we do) by having a big old interplanetary war between Earth and Mars, which resulted in most of the technological advancements being lost or regressed.

The aforementioned floating city of Zalem was the only one not destroyed in the war, so it's now seen as some mystical heavenly like structure that everyone living in the scrap heap 'Iron City' beneath it dreams about, but nobody actually knows what's really up there any-more, and whoever lives there sure as hell don't want folks going up and so have banned flying machines, guns etc and use their fancy-pants Zalem tech on anybody who tries.

The film takes place entirely in the Iron City, and is a mix of romance, interesting character relationships, cyborg bounty hunters, and action.. lots of action. Oh, and a guy who attacks people with a pack cyborg dogs, I mean he's just sitting there looking like a bad-ass in his chair with a bunch of cyborg dogs... I want to be that guy, he's so cool.

Trailers








Totally non-important other people Reviews

I'm too lazy to post them all, but it's just crept up to 60% Fresh from 39% rotten, which is pretty much unheard of.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/alita_battle_angel

If you're also too lazy to read, it's basically "speed racer" good.

My Review

As someone who grew up hearing about this film, it's something I've been both looking forward to and nervous about for almost 20 years. Honestly, I probably googled every few months since I was a teenager to 'see what the latest is', and here I am on the wrong side of 30 holding my ticket stub in disbelief that I've actually seen it.

Given my love for the anime, that weird first trailer and now the rather mixed reviews, I went expecting to hate it and just wanting to be in a 'the movie actually came out and I saw it' world. But, wow, it was fucking great! Like, I'm going to see it again on Saturday in 3D great.

It's flawed in a lot of ways, the ending doesn't quite land, some of the relationships don't work on the big screen without all the manga back-story. But as a faithful adaptation of the Manga it does an incredible job and the whole time watching it, I could just feel that the writers loved the source material and really wanted to do it justice.

Every-time I expected to be let down, "I bet they changed this bit", "I bet this character is written out" "I doubt they can show that on a PG13" - Nope, crazy Jim Cameron / Robert Rodriguez have someone found a way of not only including it all, but making it mostly work on the big-screen.

If you have no idea what the fuck Gunnm is and just want to know if it's a good movie, let me give you a few reasons to see it.

- Alita / Rosa Salazar is incredible, 'the eyes' are a total non-issue after 5 minutes and visually the movie is well beyond what is shown in those original trailers. This is probably the best looking 200M budget movie I've seen.

- You like action? like decently shot action that isn't shaky cam and lasts longer than a few seconds? This film has full on 'anime power-levels' fights that go on for so long that if you held your breath you would be dead. It also has a sport which is basically Speedball on a race-track, which results in one of the coolest sequences I've seen in a very long time.

- Cameos! remember those actors you really liked? but you wonder why they are not in any films any-more as you wouldn't mind seeing him in a movie again. Good news, all of them have minor roles in this film. Seriously, the fact they also play manga characters resulted in a double whammy of 'oh wow they have that character from the ManGAOH WOW IS THAT WHO I THINK IT IS PLAYING HIM!?!'

- That guy with cyborg attack dogs, seriously. How empty is your soul if that isn't enough justification for seeing a film? You saw Mamma Mia twice and that didn't even have one cyborg attack hound.

So?

So my first OP, how did I do?

Are you going to see the film, or if you have seen it what do you think?
 
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Reviews are coming in

Sounds like it’s decent/mediocre but also sounds like it’s tracking to be a huge financial failure







One review had a good line:

“A world building triumph but a narrative failure.”

I watched the original anime. It was good. I never watched the other things, nor read the manga.



It’s at 49 percent RT and 52 percent on Metacritic as now. It has gotten good score from some notable reviewers though.

It’s expected to open at only 12-15 mil which is awful and hopefully is underestimation.

I posted this in the trailer thread.

I think it looks good! Yes I will see if. I expected mixed reviews.

I’m disappointed that it’s projecting to not fare well financially. I’d like to see sequels.

Hopefully it at least makes up the budget

I like the cast, a lot
 

McCheese

Member
It reminded me of Speed Racer, I didn't see that at the cinema due to the reviews but when I saw it at home I was gutted I never got to see it on the big screen. The plot falls flat in a couple of places, and the ending is also very much a setup for a sequel that will likely never happen.. But it was just a super fun 2 hour spectacle that benefited hugely from being seen on a massive screen.

It's also a really strong template for how Manga/Anime adaptations should be done, the usual 'Hollywood filter' isn't present and it's all the better for it, a lot of the scenes are taken straight from the Manga, and again, some of them don't work out; but a lot of them do and are fantastic.
 
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Pejo

Member
I usually write off live action anime stuff, as every one I've seen has been bad to terrible and worse than the anime itself. If you vouch for this movie, though, I'll give it a shot. I don't like the eyes, but you already addressed that so I won't go there.

If I'm disappointed it's all on you, OP. No pressure!
 

Hobbesian

Banned
Speed Racer is one of my favorite films and doesn't deserve to be qualified by quotation marks. If you don't like that film, you're dumb. Period.

I'll be seeing Alita this weekend.
 

EviLore

Expansive Ellipses
Staff Member
I read the manga the other day (it's on Comixology Unlimited if anyone's interested, which has a free trial). It's legit. I really enjoyed Alita's character arc and personal growth, as well as the various inner demons that manifest for her as events unfold. There's a vivid underpinning of humanity throughout, despite the cold, inhuman cyberpunk setting and Alita's cyborg body.

Not expecting much from the film, but I'll check it out.
 

pr0cs

Member
Planning on taking my daughter to see it, thanks for the info. Considering how much hate the trailers got around here I'm happy to hear it's a pretty decent flick
 

Heimdall_Xtreme

Jim Ryan Fanclub's #1 Member
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As the movie is officially out today in some parts of Europe, lets have an official thread for it!

Synopsis

I watched the OVA when I was in my teens and was smitten by it, and ended up keeping up with all the Manga all the way up to Mars Chronicles which is currently on-going. The story revolves around Alita (aka 'Gally' over in Japan) who is found in the scrap heap after being dumped with the trash from the floating city Zalem, with no memories of who she was or why she knows the long forgotten martian fighting style Panzer Kunst.

The setting is rather special too, it's in a distant future where mankind inhabited the stars and had amazing magic-like technology, but then fucked it up (as we do) by having a big old interplanetary war between Earth and Mars, which resulted in most of the technological advancements being lost or regressed.

The aforementioned floating city of Zalem was the only one not destroyed in the war, so it's now seen as some mystical heavenly like structure that everyone living in the scrap heap 'Iron City' beneath it dreams about, but nobody actually knows what's really up there any-more, and whoever lives there sure as hell don't want folks going up and so have banned flying machines, guns etc and use their fancy-pants Zalem tech on anybody who tries.

The film takes place entirely in the Iron City, and is a mix of romance, interesting character relationships, cyborg bounty hunters, and action.. lots of action. Oh, and a guy who attacks people with a pack cyborg dogs, I mean he's just sitting there looking like a bad-ass in his chair with a bunch of cyborg dogs... I want to be that guy, he's so cool.

Trailers








Totally non-important other people Reviews

I'm too lazy to post them all, but it's just crept up to 60% Fresh from 39% rotten, which is pretty much unheard of.


https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/alita_battle_angel

If you're also too lazy to read, it's basically "speed racer" good.

My Review

As someone who grew up hearing about this film, it's something I've been both looking forward to and nervous about for almost 20 years. Honestly, I probably googled every few months since I was a teenager to 'see what the latest is', and here I am on the wrong side of 30 holding my ticket stub in disbelief that I've actually seen it.

Given my love for the anime, that weird first trailer and now the rather mixed reviews, I went expecting to hate it and just wanting to be in a 'the movie actually came out and I saw it' world. But, wow, it was fucking great! Like, I'm going to see it again on Saturday in 3D great.

It's flawed in a lot of ways, the ending doesn't quite land, some of the relationships don't work on the big screen without all the manga back-story. But as a faithful adaptation of the Manga it does an incredible job and the whole time watching it, I could just feel that the writers loved the source material and really wanted to do it justice.

Every-time I expected to be let down, "I bet they changed this bit", "I bet this character is written out" "I doubt they can show that on a PG13" - Nope, crazy Jim Cameron / Robert Rodriguez have someone found a way of not only including it all, but making it mostly work on the big-screen.

If you have no idea what the fuck Gunnm is and just want to know if it's a good movie, let me give you a few reasons to see it.

- Alita / Rosa Salazar is incredible, 'the eyes' are a total non-issue after 5 minutes and visually the movie is well beyond what is shown in those original trailers. This is probably the best looking 200M budget movie I've seen.

- You like action? like decently shot action that isn't shaky cam and lasts longer than a few seconds? This film has full on 'anime power-levels' fights that go on for so long that if you held your breath you would be dead. It also has a sport which is basically Speedball on a race-track, which results in one of the coolest sequences I've seen in a very long time.

- Cameos! remember those actors you really liked? but you wonder why they are not in any films any-more as you wouldn't mind seeing him in a movie again. Good news, all of them have minor roles in this film. Seriously, the fact they also play manga characters resulted in a double whammy of 'oh wow they have that character from the ManGAOH WOW IS THAT WHO I THINK IT IS PLAYING HIM!?!'

- That guy with cyborg attack dogs, seriously. How empty is your soul if that isn't enough justification for seeing a film? You saw Mamma Mia twice and that didn't even have one cyborg attack hound.

So?

So my first OP, how did I do?

Are you going to see the film, or if you have seen it what do you think?



Average Rating: 5.8/10

AWESOME!!! Thats mean that is a Amazing movie!!!

So time to check it.

Thank you such much for you review i can trust you more.

i think the other "Critical reviews, have a bad taste to give 10 to worst movies and 5 or 6 to great movies"
 

hecatomb

Banned
I bet theres only like 1 or like 2 people on rotten tomatoes that actually read the manga. Also they gave SJW Star Wars good reviews
 
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sol_bad

Member
I'll be seeing it tonight in IMAX 3D, pretty excited.
People are calling Last Jedi SJW Star Wars? Jesus Christ
 
I'm a fan of the manga and have been waiting for that movie to come out for over a decade now, but the previews are just so disappointing. The eyes are frikkin' ridiculous, the movie looks and feels nothing like the manga. It's just another superficial PG-13 Hollywood adaptation of a manga classic that will probably be forgotten in a couple of weeks. If they stay faithful to the story and if they gave Waltz a chance to show off some of his acting chops, which I doubt, it might at best be an average movie. I'll give it a watch once it inevitably releases on a streaming platform, but I'm not gonna see this at the cinema.
 
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mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
5 years ago, I couldn't wait for this movie to be annouced. Now.......I'm not so sure about it.
 

Dontero

Banned
I mean you are talking about hollywood here.
Thre is no reason to expect they would stick to manga story.

I think there was this Alien movie commentary (or was it predator ?) where they talked how movies was made and how scripts kept changing due to in house infighting individuals trying to get their work shine instead of complete movie etc.
 

McCheese

Member
I'm a fan of the manga and have been waiting for that movie to come out for over a decade now, but the previews are just so disappointing. The eyes a frikkin' ridiculous, the movie looks and feels nothing like the manga. It's just another superficial PG-13 Hollywood adaptation of a manga classic that will probably be forgotten in a couple of weeks. If they stay faithful to the story and if they gave Waltz a chance to show off some of his acting chops, which I doubt, it might at best be an average movie. I'll give it a watch once it inevitably releases on a streaming platform, but I'm not gonna see this at the cinema.

I felt the same way watching the trailers, seeing motorball scenes without any of the key characters etc. But the actual film is a really respectful adaptation of the OVA that also adds in some of the Manga stuff in. I was nerding the hell out at all the cameos etc, which surprised me as I went in expecting very little respect to the source material.

Unlike Ghost in the Shell etc, I left it feeling like I just saw a battle angel movie, not a hollywood adaptation. Even the author seems to genuinely approve of it, rather than just being grateful for the $$$. Heck, the main flaws from the film are the same problems the OVA had in terms of it's immature love story and lack of pay-off.
 
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But the actual film is a really respectful adaptation of the OVA that also adds in some of the Manga stuff in.

I highly doubt a PG-13 movie can be in any way respectful to the source material. As I said, I'll give it a shot down the line, but not at the cinema.
 

McCheese

Member
I highly doubt a PG-13 movie can be in any way respectful to the source material. As I said, I'll give it a shot down the line, but not at the cinema.

That's the weird thing, it has the violence but just without any blood. It's jarring, you see folks sliced in half etc and just land clean on the ground. For the cyborgs they splash a tiny bit of green in there, but for humanoid deaths it's literally just 'oh half of him is there, and the other half is over there'.

For a movie that already has a niche audience I'm okay with it, seems like a fair middleground as we still get some of the epic fights from the manga, just the SNES version of them. I still winced a couple of times, she slices a face clean off at one point.
 
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sol_bad

Member
I saw it last night in IMAX 3D and loved it. I read the manga over 15 years ago so can't remember all the details but it sure as fuck felt like Battle Angel Alita. It was a good proper manga adaptation unlike GITS.

I thought Christophe Waltz, Rosa Salizar, Ed Screin and Keean Johnson were great as their characters. The love story element really worked for me. Jennifer Connelly and Mahershalalhasbaz Ali were a little underused.

The fight scenes are quite incredible, they felt like they were anime, well chreographed and well shot, very intense.

The animation felt like an issue in the trailers but looked much better on the big screen.

Even without the R rating the film still goes to some very dark places.

For anyone turned off by the eyes, there is a good narrative reason for them. Anyone that likes action films should really give this a chance, help give the film a chance for a sequel. I sure as hell want to see more of this world on the big screen.
 
Her bullshit anime face annoys me. She's a robot, they could have made her look less chibi. Will be a major sticking point if I am to watch this. Will have to suppress the cringe.
 
The only narrative reason I can think of without knowing the reason, is that bigger eyes help her see better which facilitates her fighting abilities. At the same time those eyes look super vulnerable. One poke and pop goes the giant eyeball.
 

sol_bad

Member
The only narrative reason I can think of without knowing the reason, is that bigger eyes help her see better which facilitates her fighting abilities. At the same time those eyes look super vulnerable. One poke and pop goes the giant eyeball.

Incorrect reason.
 

Hobbesian

Banned
The only narrative reason I can think of without knowing the reason, is that bigger eyes help her see better which facilitates her fighting abilities. At the same time those eyes look super vulnerable. One poke and pop goes the giant eyeball.

What do big eyes mean she loses the ability to blink or something?
 
They should have made the entire cast look anime bullshit, to stay consistent. I can't get over those one-off peepers. They give me the jeepers creepers.

 
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slugbahr

Unconfirmed Member
They should have made the entire cast look anime bullshit, to stay consistent. I can't get over those one-off peepers. They give me the jeepers creepers.



You're such an eyist.
Godamn eyeophobe!
Is it cos you're a NAZI?

HITLER REBORN!!
 

pramod

Banned
I love the eyes, I have no idea why people who claim to like anime have a problem with them.....
 
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