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Mike Ybarra, Corporate VP of Xbox: Anthem critics “whining”; “embarrassing to review with such a lack of knowledge”
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iconmaster
Banned
He might be right about the particular critic, I don't have the context (was it Polygon?). But this is a bad look for a top Xbox guy.
Btw, when does the review embargo end? Anthem is already 65 on OpenCritic with 15 reviews.
Btw, when does the review embargo end? Anthem is already 65 on OpenCritic with 15 reviews.
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AlexxKidd
Member
And maybe stop purchasing the marketing rights to these below average third party clunkers and you'll feel less of a need to "Captain Save-A-Hoe" defend them from poor reviews.
AV
We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
Amazed at the whining? Meanwhile, people are amazed at how unfinished this thing is. This is a fully priced game that is... out for some people now, right? And soon for everyone else? That's bonkers. The sheer arrogance in his statement is hilarious when you realise that by fixing the problem, they have in fact shortened the length of a game which is already far too short for its style and caliber.
Frankly, this whole thing is kinda embarrassing. Hearing Gerstmann tear it a new one today really put it in perspective - not saying his word is gospel, but his sentiments are echoed throughout plenty of other reviews that I've read since, and my 3ish hours of experience in the demo lines up too. As expected, there are huge, fundamental issues with the retail product that cannot be rectified with simple patches. Not only does it need a lot of support and content going forward, but it's gonna have to be really good, and importantly free, to keep people interested once better games start coming out.
Frankly, this whole thing is kinda embarrassing. Hearing Gerstmann tear it a new one today really put it in perspective - not saying his word is gospel, but his sentiments are echoed throughout plenty of other reviews that I've read since, and my 3ish hours of experience in the demo lines up too. As expected, there are huge, fundamental issues with the retail product that cannot be rectified with simple patches. Not only does it need a lot of support and content going forward, but it's gonna have to be really good, and importantly free, to keep people interested once better games start coming out.
Insane Metal
Member
Dyack is that you?
Dabaus
Banned
Probably a lot of pent up anger from the crackdown 3 reviews. Now a game they have a big marketing deal with is getting raked over the coals, must be frustrating that everything your company does either goes to shit or severely under performs. Microsft has had like the anti midas touch this gen. Every game they've made or partnered with has either out right bombed, severely under performed, or has gone multiplatform for the sequels. It must be infuriating.
Mochilador
Member
I agree with him. Some journos just rush through the game or even worse, don't play at all.
JareBear: Remastered
Banned
Was that tomb part of Anthem really THAT bad?
MDSLKTR
Member
Jumpforce, Fallout 76, Just cause 4, BFV, Anthem... They seem to know how to pick their games for e3.
AV
We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
The key part is this: "Before, the game wouldn't start counting progress towards each objective until you specifically reached the part of the story that opened up the challenges". Which means that if you'd done all available side quests up to that point in the story, you'd have no choice but to grind out super dull challenges in free play to advance. Sure, they've fixed it, but the fact that this slipped through the net until now is mental.
From an Xbox executives point of view, Anthem in theory should review very high... relatively speaking.
(hopefully you get my drift)
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ethomaz
Banned
Is that unlucky or incompetence? Like I said developer needs to get up to their games... they needs to learn that low quality games won’t pass anymore... Fallout, Anthem, Crackdown 3, etc needs to be better to everybody pay and enjoy them.
Whining at critical flawed games that makes you think how that shit get released is ridiculous.
Do better games... it is better for devs, for sales and for us gamers.
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Lots of big publishers/developers are copying, recycling, producing bad quality, releasing incomplete games, over hyping, etc. and think that they will automatically get X sales. (Could be approaching the modern E.T. moment of gaming)
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mcjmetroid
Member
Poor game never stood a chance really did it.
I really felt like this game NEEDED a 90 at least on Metacritic.
You may think review scores don't matter but for a new IP they certainly do.
I really felt like this game NEEDED a 90 at least on Metacritic.
You may think review scores don't matter but for a new IP they certainly do.
Dabaus
Banned
Yeah I mean in the span of a week:
- the crackdown 3 reviews
-rumors that Nintendo may resurrect a game they cancelled
-anthem apparently not being all that great and having a big marketing deal with it
-and a terrible January NPD result,
Its not surprising to see xbox execs in hysterics and having meltdowns.
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MiyazakiHatesKojima
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/thread.
zwiggelbig
Member
To be fair.. they had cyberpunk at the end
Not a good look from Mike there.
The game has some pretty severe issues, unfortunately, and it deserves the criticism it's getting. It's a shame as you can see the spark of something great within but there's just too many technical and design issues right now. If you're on Xbox One, which they've struck a marketing deal with, your current experience is a frame-rate always under 30fps with loads of screen tearing, insanely long loading times and other glitches.
The game has some pretty severe issues, unfortunately, and it deserves the criticism it's getting. It's a shame as you can see the spark of something great within but there's just too many technical and design issues right now. If you're on Xbox One, which they've struck a marketing deal with, your current experience is a frame-rate always under 30fps with loads of screen tearing, insanely long loading times and other glitches.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
The game is some mediocre shit and unfortunately for Bioware will bomb hard I suspect.
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Iced Arcade
Member
What a fragile time we live in. I'd rather people be able to speak truthfully without a bunch of fragile getting in an uproar.
I don't care for this game but come on... how are you reviewing something you can't play and/or have no interest in learning.
I don't care for this game but come on... how are you reviewing something you can't play and/or have no interest in learning.
Night.Ninja
Banned
He’s right, most reviews now just seem like click bait.
Lionel Richie
Member
Megacorporations advocating journalist genocide at the age of Trump, someone warn Patrick Klepek.
Seems like someone is a bit nervous/angry that both internally developed games (Crackdown 3) and those where they have big marketing deals (Fallout 76, Anthem and more) are scoring poorly.
He shouldn't make these comments publicly, they certainly aren't going to get any favour telling people that reviews from the press are outdated and they should rely on streamers.
He shouldn't make these comments publicly, they certainly aren't going to get any favour telling people that reviews from the press are outdated and they should rely on streamers.
angelic
Banned
Cloud generated stormy gusts though.
AV
We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
Here's a helpful chart to explain the clusterfuck.
The worst part is the "10 hour" version - Gerstmann pointed out today that the terrible grindy part of the game (which is getting patched due to backlash) is conveniently placed at around the 10 hour mark.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
It shouldn't be out yet, given the state of it. Needs about another 3-4 months to iron out technical issues and add some more content to a barebones experience.
AstroRhino
Member
Brass balls of this bloke...
Perhaps sort your own shit before calling out others?
It seems Xbox gonna keep being Xbox.....
Perhaps sort your own shit before calling out others?
It seems Xbox gonna keep being Xbox.....
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Freeman76
Member
He has got a point, but as usual the reactive internet are too angry to see it whilst defending their own narrative. Some of the 'reviews' have not been in depth in the game enough. Jesus, some nobody off era kept barking on about how shit it would be before the beta was even released, and his review is taken into account on opencritic.
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ultrazilla
Gold Member
He's not wrong though. Sure, he probably could have worded his Tweet a little more diplomatically but if a reviewer is "reviewing" a game and
doesn't know how to use/play core game play mechanics of said game, it's a VERY questionable "review".
doesn't know how to use/play core game play mechanics of said game, it's a VERY questionable "review".
guggnichso
Banned
You know what I hate? What I really really hate? That this lame ass tweet will probably result in some major shitstorm for the dude.
Yeah, it’s a „bad look TM“ for some marketing dude to whine about reviews and maybe it’s a „bad look TM“ for some rando reviewer not knowing hot to do „combos“ in that (judging from the demo) lame ass game. Oh my god, „bad looks TM“ all around.
Fuck it, it‘s a non issue. But hey, we get drama on Reddit, Resetera and probably „death threats TM“ on Twitter, and the guy will probably get a lot of pizzas and SWAT teams delivered to his home address, like all the other dudes who said controversial shit on Twitter that went viral.
Fuck this, this is all in all a big pile of nothing at all.
Yeah, it’s a „bad look TM“ for some marketing dude to whine about reviews and maybe it’s a „bad look TM“ for some rando reviewer not knowing hot to do „combos“ in that (judging from the demo) lame ass game. Oh my god, „bad looks TM“ all around.
Fuck it, it‘s a non issue. But hey, we get drama on Reddit, Resetera and probably „death threats TM“ on Twitter, and the guy will probably get a lot of pizzas and SWAT teams delivered to his home address, like all the other dudes who said controversial shit on Twitter that went viral.
Fuck this, this is all in all a big pile of nothing at all.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
I don't understand how combos work either.
ethomaz
Banned
The game was released full since February 15 (no matter if it is just for reviewers and Premium payers) so reviewers had plenty of time to play it.
Jigsaah
Gold Member
They need to stick the game back in the fire. I'm really fearful that EA will just dump the game like they did with Mass Effect Andromeda. This is why I can't warrant a purchase. If this was Ubisoft? I'd buy Anthem, because I know they will take the effort to revive the game. I know there's a road map and everything, but I don't know if EA has the moral compass to do right by it's fans.
It really sucked to play Andromeda only to find out there would be no DLC and they basically took a week and said the game was a lost cause. I wish Microsoft would strike a deal with EA and buy Bioware. Just pull them out of the poison swamp that EA propagates.
It really sucked to play Andromeda only to find out there would be no DLC and they basically took a week and said the game was a lost cause. I wish Microsoft would strike a deal with EA and buy Bioware. Just pull them out of the poison swamp that EA propagates.
DunDunDunpachi
Banned
That C U R A T E D list of classics pool of reviewers
I agree, but I always get a kick out of those guys that whine about whiners, its a strange breed - I personally get a kick out of them and hope it continues. (Basically, what he really is saying is Xbox games are being misrepresented by reviewers and instead of him saying this about a Xbox title, he's done it for a 3rd party titles and hopes nobody notices)
Some reviewers are bad, some are good, and some are so-so; there just isn't a big conspiracy going on, the solution is very simple for him - make better games.
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Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Given the context you can understand why he snapped. Xbox is coming off a 6 month period which has been one of the worst in Xbox history - a combination of poor software on the Xbox side and their rival enjoying all-time high critical and commercial success in that department at the same time. It also doesn't help that they're 50+ million hardware units behind too.
They should double down on next-gen, the current has been a clusterfuck stretched out over 5 years by and large.
They are going to double down on cloud as that is where everything is going, at least for them. The problem is, the general gamer isn't really buying in, at least at this stage. (Its a hard sell) I think Phil has a very tough job dealing with Nadella. The pressure seems to be building, sales in units continue to go down, and they are releasing press announcements every week on something.
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