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Captain Marvel Response and Reactions

VulcanRaven

Member
I just saw the movie and it was good. Not in my top 10 MCU movies but I enjoyed it. I didn't know much about the character before watching this. The 90s setting was great.
I was so excited when they played Garbage's Only Happy When It Rains. The movie had a great soundtrack.
 
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I just saw the movie and it was good. Not in my top 10 MCU movies but it enjoyed it. I didn't know much about the character before watching this. The 90s setting was great.
I was so excited when they played Garbage's Only Happy When It Rains. The movie had a great soundtrack.

I love that band. Been listening to them a lot recently
 
So much for Captain America: F I R S T A V E N G E R, being the first Avenger. Or the conflict Thor and Loki brought being the reason SHIELD made weapons from the Tesseract, etc...

Plotholes and retcons baby.


Also regarding her power. Considering how Doctor Strange in Ragnarok basically toyed with Thor by constantly teleporting him with magic etc., couldn't he just own every avenger easily?

This! shoehorn a character no one knows ten years after the fact and imply they are the strongest and first. I think they should have used a more well known character to build up hype.

edit: IF you're going to introduce a new unknown character, they have to be hyped either through comic lore, or movie lore of their legendary feats. That hypes people up(wait till X fights Thanos, or X could beat up Thanos!). Introducing a barely known unhyped character at the last moment in the spotlight of the climax of a decade long series, will only make people feel that character unjustly stole the limelight, and potentially even create dislike for the character.
Cap is still the first Avenger regardless of Carol being the inspiration for the title. I mean the title always got grafted on much later anyway.

America is technically the first, but Marvel's the first to be found, the first to join Fury, the first to fight with Shield, the inspiration for their name. For all intents and purposes you could argue she's the real first avenger, cap just happened to have fought with powers earlier in history.

Also didn't like the plot twist. And Marvel lacked power in fist fights, even after unleashing, also seemed to lack control too.
 
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One thing I couldn't figure out on my own:
I think scarlet witch also got her powers from the tesseract infinity stone, and if she's not nerfed she's stronger than Marvel, imo. Though think they retconned or could retcon that to dormant mutanthood in the case of scarlet
or could be from another of the infinity stones.
 
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I don’t think that is what will happen. I think Captain Marvel will put up a good fight at first but ultimately it will be Iron Man who defeats Thanos.

If they really just throw Captain Marvel in Avengers: Endgame and she kicks all kinds of ass including Thanos with no challenge, then...I will be extremely disappointed and my viewing of MCU films will come to an end.
Couldn't agree more, if captain Marvel is the only answer to Thanos I'm done with the Marvel movies.
 

Javthusiast

Banned
I highly doubt the Russos are just gonna have Marvel deus ex machina her way in and defeat thanos easily, it will be a group effort with Cap and/or Tony sacrificing themselve/s by the end of it.
 
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I highly doubt the Russos are just gonna have Marvel deus ex machina her way in and defeat thanos easily, it will be a group effort with Cap and/or Tony sacrificing themselve/s by the end of it.

Yeah.

It seems clear that Marvel is setting up a new main cast moving forward, someone, or some people, aren't coming back from Endgame.
 
I highly doubt the Russos are just gonna have Marvel deus ex machina her way in and defeat thanos easily, it will be a group effort with Cap and/or Tony sacrificing themselve/s by the end of it.
A girl can pull a deus ex maquina successfully, ala madoka in madoka magica, but that series hyped her up throughout the entire series. Bring an unknown girl, or for that manner any character, out of the blue, with no hype juice(edit: just last moment squirt.), after ten years and pull a deus and people will call BS.
 
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Pretty average overall. Opening was kinda terrible but it eventually turned into a watchable flick. Though no real good action or memorable moments. Better than something like Antman and Wasp but kinda felt like a filler movie. Be a good netflix watch.
 

Javthusiast

Banned
What other shit?

Fury's phase 2 in the original avengers doesn't make sense. Phase 2 started because of Thor, the shield committee ordered to create weapons with the tesseract to defend against a possible alien invasion. But now with the new captain marvel lore added, they apparently knew about possible alien invasions since the 90's.
 
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DeafTourette

Perpetually Offended
I saw it today (1:50 showing that didn't really start until well after 2pm)


Me and my homegirl enjoyed it! We both liked it more than we thought we would! The audience laughed quite a bit during the movie (the jokes hit when they were supposed to)... The action was great...

Danvers is a soldier.... That's why she was so stoic....

I loved her banter with Fury... Loved her friendship with Maria Rambeaux... Loved how she warmed up towards the end and became more human... Loved the twist..

My only gripe was with the ending... After she defeated the Kree, everything else seemed tacked on... And boring. Which was the OPPOSITE of the rest of the movie.

4/5
 

sol_bad

Member
The movie was not hobbled and thrown together in the last minute. They announced it in 2014 and it has been in development since 2013.

Yes, why are people saying it's shoehorned in? It's been planned for at least 5-6 years.

So much for Captain America: F I R S T A V E N G E R, being the first Avenger. Or the conflict Thor and Loki brought being the reason SHIELD made weapons from the Tesseract, etc...

Plotholes and retcons baby.

There is no retcon or plot whole.
1: We know Fury likes to keep secrets.
2: He says to Thor that he is not the only threat.

 
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Yes, why are people saying it's shoehorned in? It's been planned for at least 5-6 years.

I don’t feel it’s shoehorned, but I think some of that sentiment manifests from some of the retconning this movie does. This is related to my prior question in spoiler tag above.

This almost feels like it overlaps what Captain America set up a little bit

It was always a long term plan, but as far as connecting dots it may have backfired just a little. Nothing catastrophic, or anything, just small details that don’t mesh.
 
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Nobody_Important

“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Damn dude, you're a trooper. What were some specifics about what you enjoyed with Captain Marvel?

Pretty much the same thing I like about most Marvel movies. The characters, the humor, the music, and the story. I especially loved the twist they threw in about 2/3rds of the way through it.
 

quickwhips

Member
I really wanted to see Ronan go ham since we probably won’t see him again ever? I think people are over reacting because Larson is an idiot in real life but the movie is pretty good. It’s not winter soldier or iron man 1 good but it’s still a fun movie and we get a great fury movie! We should be shitting on bad movies but this isn’t a bad movie even with a few slow parts.
 

Nobody_Important

“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
I really wanted to see Ronan go ham since we probably won’t see him again ever? I think people are over reacting because Larson is an idiot in real life but the movie is pretty good. It’s not winter soldier or iron man 1 good but it’s still a fun movie and we get a great fury movie! We should be shitting on bad movies but this isn’t a bad movie even with a few slow parts.

They left the door open for another Prequel actually. I think its safe to say we will see Ronan again. Especially if the movie does well.
 
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sol_bad

Member
I I'll write all this in spoilers so I don't accidentally spoil something.

This movie is not a top tier MCU film but I'd put it on equal footing with Doctor Strange, Ant-Man and Ant-Man and the Wasp. I don't really want to do this comparison but I think if a film with this structure and talent was done for DC it would have been praised but because Marvel have made so many high mark films it has come across as a bit average for some. Wonder Woman was really really good for it's first 2 thirds but the last third really fell on it's face when she fought Ares. I don't mind full CGI battles but the choreography and camera work in it was really dull.

Bries acting for me was good, really good. Despite thinking her acting was good, I can agree that her character did not come across with any charming or likeable qualities but I think this is ok within the context of the story. She only has memories from the last 6 years or her life, she is a soldier and she is constantly told not to indulge in her emotions. In a way Fury is the first person in her life where she can be herself and the interplay and chemistry between them was really fun. Loved the scene where Fury was trying to help them escape from a room with the finger print scanner and then Carol just blasts the next door open. By the end of the film she was acting more human and coming across as happier.

Structure is interesting for this film. Some people say it is a generic film but I think it's structure makes it very non generic. It allows for some really interesting reveals. I knew that Jude Law was going to be a bad guy but I assumed he would be working for the Scrulls in some capacity. I was not for the life of me expecting the Scrulls to be victims though and was not expecting Talos to be so comedic (He's my science guy) after that reveal.
On the other hand, if they set this film up with a typical origin story, like we see Carol as a kid for 10 minutes and we see what makes her wish to be a pilot, we see her as an adult and become a pilot, she sees her mentor type figure (Lawson) get killed and then she gets revenge. That would then be a generic film structure. A positive to doing it in that manner would be seeing Carols proper personality shine through.

I don't think the feminist angle was really shoved in your face except for the bike scene where the guy tells her to smile. She doesn't react to him though, she doesn't tell him off or try to lecture him. That would have been horrible if she had, thank goodness she didn't.

The so called retcons and plot holes. I don't think they exist.
The Tesseract showing up was a very big surprise. Previously we knew that Howard Stark found it in the 40's, nek minute Fury has it in 2011/2012. That's all the knowledge we had.
Now we know that it popped up in the 90's and Lawson was experimenting on it. Howard Stark obviously failed at producing anything for 30 years(Did he die in the 70's). Whoever took over SHIELD after Howard must have kept working with Tesseract and at some point Project Pegasus was started. I know Fury is a SHIELD agent and he has no knowledge about Project Pegasus but he is only at level 3 in Captain Marvel.

From the MCU wiki
"For example, for agents to know all of the information surrounding the Battle of New York, they had to have been Level 7."

Fury is a low level grunt in Captain Marvel. After the Tesseract fell on his desk, he either held on to it in secret or gave it to the higher ups. Either way he still has it by the end credits scene of Thor.
Now why didn't Fury call on Captain Marvel previously, Kevin Feige says that maybe he has, there is nearly 20 years between Captain Marvel and Avengers. Yeah this is fanfic but not inconceivable, he has probably seen many world threatening events since the Tesseract fell in his lap, the Tesseract could be why he got promoted to higher clearance. Captain Marvel may have helped Earth multiple times but he realises that she can't always be relied on. Eventually he learnt about Iron Man, Captain America and Hulk and saw the potential start to his Avengers Initiative, a way for Earth to protect itself.
Fury says that Thor is the reason that they were creating Tesseract weapons, I linked a video to this earlier. Fury keeps secrets from everyone and he said the Thor very confidently that he is not the only threat. Fury has seen some shit throughout his years and he is not about to divulge that information to a group of people that can't work together.
Fury losing his eye from a cat, not a big fan of that myself but it worked comedically (Is that a word?) I can imagine him wanting to pretend it happened in a more serious manner (The Last time I trusted someone I lost an eye).

The action was also well shot and entertaining. I wasn't happy when the No Doubt song played towards the end, it stopped any potential intensity that could have happened.

That's all my thoughts for now. I'm sure I have more but can't remember then
 
I I'll write all this in spoilers so I don't accidentally spoil something.

This movie is not a top tier MCU film but I'd put it on equal footing with Doctor Strange, Ant-Man and Ant-Man and the Wasp. I don't really want to do this comparison but I think if a film with this structure and talent was done for DC it would have been praised but because Marvel have made so many high mark films it has come across as a bit average for some. Wonder Woman was really really good for it's first 2 thirds but the last third really fell on it's face when she fought Ares. I don't mind full CGI battles but the choreography and camera work in it was really dull.

Bries acting for me was good, really good. Despite thinking her acting was good, I can agree that her character did not come across with any charming or likeable qualities but I think this is ok within the context of the story. She only has memories from the last 6 years or her life, she is a soldier and she is constantly told not to indulge in her emotions. In a way Fury is the first person in her life where she can be herself and the interplay and chemistry between them was really fun. Loved the scene where Fury was trying to help them escape from a room with the finger print scanner and then Carol just blasts the next door open. By the end of the film she was acting more human and coming across as happier.

Structure is interesting for this film. Some people say it is a generic film but I think it's structure makes it very non generic. It allows for some really interesting reveals. I knew that Jude Law was going to be a bad guy but I assumed he would be working for the Scrulls in some capacity. I was not for the life of me expecting the Scrulls to be victims though and was not expecting Talos to be so comedic (He's my science guy) after that reveal.
On the other hand, if they set this film up with a typical origin story, like we see Carol as a kid for 10 minutes and we see what makes her wish to be a pilot, we see her as an adult and become a pilot, she sees her mentor type figure (Lawson) get killed and then she gets revenge. That would then be a generic film structure. A positive to doing it in that manner would be seeing Carols proper personality shine through.

I don't think the feminist angle was really shoved in your face except for the bike scene where the guy tells her to smile. She doesn't react to him though, she doesn't tell him off or try to lecture him. That would have been horrible if she had, thank goodness she didn't.

The so called retcons and plot holes. I don't think they exist.
The Tesseract showing up was a very big surprise. Previously we knew that Howard Stark found it in the 40's, nek minute Fury has it in 2011/2012. That's all the knowledge we had.
Now we know that it popped up in the 90's and Lawson was experimenting on it. Howard Stark obviously failed at producing anything for 30 years(Did he die in the 70's). Whoever took over SHIELD after Howard must have kept working with Tesseract and at some point Project Pegasus was started. I know Fury is a SHIELD agent and he has no knowledge about Project Pegasus but he is only at level 3 in Captain Marvel.

From the MCU wiki
"For example, for agents to know all of the information surrounding the Battle of New York, they had to have been Level 7."

Fury is a low level grunt in Captain Marvel. After the Tesseract fell on his desk, he either held on to it in secret or gave it to the higher ups. Either way he still has it by the end credits scene of Thor.
Now why didn't Fury call on Captain Marvel previously, Kevin Feige says that maybe he has, there is nearly 20 years between Captain Marvel and Avengers. Yeah this is fanfic but not inconceivable, he has probably seen many world threatening events since the Tesseract fell in his lap, the Tesseract could be why he got promoted to higher clearance. Captain Marvel may have helped Earth multiple times but he realises that she can't always be relied on. Eventually he learnt about Iron Man, Captain America and Hulk and saw the potential start to his Avengers Initiative, a way for Earth to protect itself.
Fury says that Thor is the reason that they were creating Tesseract weapons, I linked a video to this earlier. Fury keeps secrets from everyone and he said the Thor very confidently that he is not the only threat. Fury has seen some shit throughout his years and he is not about to divulge that information to a group of people that can't work together.
Fury losing his eye from a cat, not a big fan of that myself but it worked comedically (Is that a word?) I can imagine him wanting to pretend it happened in a more serious manner (The Last time I trusted someone I lost an eye).

The action was also well shot and entertaining. I wasn't happy when the No Doubt song played towards the end, it stopped any potential intensity that could have happened.

That's all my thoughts for now. I'm sure I have more but can't remember then

I disagree on a few things but I appreciate this write up. Glad you enjoyed it
 

Nobody_Important

“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
I disagree on a few things but I appreciate this write up. Glad you enjoyed it

Was just about to say this lol I differ on a few key points, but overall I feel the same way.


Good movie. Great entry into the MCU. Looking forward to seeing alot more of Captain Marvel.
 
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Shouta

Member
Just got back and I thought it was a pretty standard Marvel movie. I'd probably put it in the middle to lower half of the full list. It could have been way better but it could have also been way worse.

A lot of the usual Marvel qualities are there. The humor is good, the overall production was strong, and it felt fairly brisk even more so than some of the other origin films. However, the action ranged from serviceable to bad. It really lacked certain amount of punch to it, pun intended. Even the last sequence felt really flat. The music choices were pretty obnoxious despite the fact I like all of them too.

Samuel L Jackson as the funny buddy cop really worked well and was probably the best part of the film. He ended up carrying Brie Larson for most of the flick. She has good interactions with him but she comes off as disinterested for everything else, which they even lampshaded. I get what they were trying but she kind of drags the film down with how they directed her. Lashana Lynch had more presence in the film and was way more interesting. I would have preferred seeing a superhero movie with her in the lead role, lol.

The character itself and where she fits within the canon will be good though as their introduction to the Kree and Skrulls was perfect, IMO. Leaves a lot of room open for stuff there.
 
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I have friends spread quite evenly across the political spectrum who have all seen this movie and every single one of them hated it. Two people told me they wish they had just waited for the Blu-ray. I’m just going to wait to stream this one.. not sure if it’s worth finding a babysitter for.
 

Durask

Member
I saw it, well, my family dragged me to see it.
Now I am biased because I do not like American comics in general and especially Marvel/DC superhero stuff. However there were a few superhero movies I was able to watch without feeling that I wasted 2 hours of my time.

CM I thought it was boring as f**k. I really did not see any militant feminism, it was just generic and boring.
 

Atrus

Gold Member
I saw this tonight and thought it was a good movie. Fury has a bigger part in the movie than I expected and I ended up liking the Captain Marvel character. Ben Mendelssohn was fantastic in his role as well.

Some of the CGi seemed poor but that de-aging technology is out of this world. There was some obvious attempt to pander to a female audience through Captain Marvel but it didn't hurt the movie. I think its expected that they'd use their movies to tap specific audiences.

If 1 represents Ironman 2 and Thor while 4 represents Thor: Ragnarok, The Avengers and GotG, then Captain Marvel is a 3. Not the greatest of Marvel films but a good origin story for the character.
 

Nobody_Important

“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
I saw this tonight and thought it was a good movie. Fury has a bigger part in the movie than I expected and I ended up liking the Captain Marvel character. Ben Mendelssohn was fantastic in his role as well.

Some of the CGi seemed poor but that de-aging technology is out of this world. There was some obvious attempt to pander to a female audience through Captain Marvel but it didn't hurt the movie. I think its expected that they'd use their movies to tap specific audiences.

If 1 represents Ironman 2 and Thor while 4 represents Thor: Ragnarok, The Avengers and GotG, then Captain Marvel is a 3. Not the greatest of Marvel films but a good origin story for the character.

Yeah I was surprised by just how much Fury was in the movie. I expected it to be just a handful of appearences just like he usually does, but him being there almost the whole time did wonders for the movie in my opinion. Samuel L. Jackson and Brie Larson had great on screen chemistry and played well off of one and other.
 
let me get sentimental here
Yeah I was surprised by just how much Fury was in the movie. I expected it to be just a handful of appearences just like he usually does, but him being there almost the whole time did wonders for the movie in my opinion. Samuel L. Jackson and Brie Larson had great on screen chemistry and played well off of one and other.

man you sound like a soccer mom telling her friend what she did over the weekend more and more. like dont you have a spine? dont you just every want to say "fuck this shit" i dont have anything in common with you. i dont know what its like to just be a complacent boring person.
 

Nobody_Important

“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
let me get sentimental here


man you sound like a soccer mom telling her friend what she did over the weekend more and more. like dont you have a spine? dont you just every want to say "fuck this shit" i dont have anything in common with you. i dont know what its like to just be a complacent boring person.

What are you even talking about?
 
also this movie does what everyone hates the first sin. makes other heroes irrelevant to make this the best character. makes other characters not mean anything because this is your savior and its a chick!
 

sol_bad

Member
also this movie does what everyone hates the first sin. makes other heroes irrelevant to make this the best character. makes other characters not mean anything because this is your savior and its a chick!

Hmmmm
She hasn't interacted with any of the other MCU heroes and we have no idea how shit will go down in Endgame.
Have you seen the future?
 

Makariel

Member
Just read the BBC review of the movie...
BBC said:
Once the '90s visual jokes, the Top Gun references (among which is a star turn by an orange cat called Goose), and Agent Fury one-liners have run their course, the actual action adventure plot driving the film forward is fatally exposed: it is about as exciting as watching Windows 95 load.
Ouch, I guess I'll wait for it on Netflix then.
 

Kadayi

Banned
That is..........not a great film.

There was a viable project in there, but boy did they blow it in terms of the writing, direction and characterisation. I think they needed a more experienced pair of hands running the show. The pacing was extremely uneven and there was a real degree of incoherence when it came to the handling of the respective power levels of all of the parties involved.

Lacklustre to say the least.
 

Ovek

7Member7
Watched it yesterday, it’s an average Marvel film that sits neatly in the middle of all the other average Marvel films.

Jackson carried all the scenes he is in, because of course he did.


Just read the BBC review of the movie...

Ouch, I guess I'll wait for it on Netflix then.

I think you mean Disney Streaming (or whatever it’s called).
 

TGO

Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
I've already pre ordered the steelbook for my collection but I expecting something like Ant-Man
I don't wanna take peoples reviews seriously because Blackpanther was "Oscar worthy"
When in reality it was probably one of the weakest, I'd rank Hulk higher tbh.
I'd rank them in tiers
S - Civil War, Winter Soldier, Avengers: Infinity War, Guardians of the Galaxy, Iron Man

A- First Avenger, Thor: Ragnarok, Iron Man 3, Doctor Strange, Iron Man 2, Avengers: Age of Ultron
Ant-Man and the Wasp

B - Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2,
Ant-Man The Incredible Hulk, Thor: The Dark World,

C - Thor, Black Panther, Spider-Man Homecoming
 
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