Gamernyc78
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I think it will be 14tf or real close to it. We are in for a treat next Gen. Ps4 gave me so many memorable moments in games (graphically) tht I can't imagine how good things will look on these new machines.
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[WIRED] Exclusive with Mark Cerny, PS5 specs detailed
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I think it will be 14tf or real close to it. We are in for a treat next Gen. Ps4 gave me so many memorable moments in games (graphically) tht I can't imagine how good things will look on these new machines.
Gamernyc78
Banned
Yeah 499 more than likely, Sony I don't think will go over that even if they have to eat some costs. They have learned from the past. If they wanted to go the two console model route they could even push a 399 model out without all the bells and whistles such as the SSD.
Boss Mog
Member
I think you're in the minority here. It would be DLC essentially. DLC is nothing more than a patch you sometimes pay for. As per usual if you don't like it, nobody is forcing you to get it. But if people would be willing to pay a little to get companies to develop graphic option DLC for old games, then I don't see the problem with it and neither would most people I believe. And it's much less of a ripoff then selling you a $40-60 "remaster".
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sendit
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You’re in the wrong here bud. Without getting into any technical details, we will see cross gen games. However, they (Sony&Microsoft) will slowly phase out support for them. We will also see games made for next gen consoles that will not be backwards compatible.
Meowzers
Member
Is Mark Cerny a reliable source?
Some random guy on Twitter with 35 followers. After some digging, I found 18 of them were created by him. So many people just fell for this hahaha.
Saber
Member
Minory in what? Your country? And in what world is there a patch as a form of DLC?
Remember, there are other places where people buy PS4 games you know. Doing something like that would be fine in the place you live, but not around the globe.
demigod
Member
Boy you are ignorant. 2019 will be 3 years for Ps4 Pro/6 years for base, 2 years for Xbox One X/6 years for base. There were already ps4 and xbox fans that were complaining 2019 is too early for ps5 since the pro just released. There’s a reason why its called a MID GEN REFRESH. Mid gen, you know, middle of the generation. 2 years out of 6 is not the middle. Releasing your new console 2 years after you just released a $500 box is suicide, does not matter if those box were next gen or not.
Very interesting......now I'm stuck behind two things.
1. I kinda want Sony to use the SSD that's connected directly to the SoC to reach bandwidth levels never seen before (even on $2,500 PCs) just to see 1st party and some 3rd party devs push the console. Because this is the advantage of a console (see PS3).
2. If option 1 happens that means we can't upgrade the hard drive. Or if the HDD fails, you'll have to get a whole new PS5
If it's stacked on the SoC it will most likely be used like cache keeping the games that you play in the fast cache & moving new games in as you install them.
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I expect to see new PS4 games well into 2024-25, if not much further... heck, the PS4 Pro is just 30 months old, the Xbox One X is only 18 months old. Additional processing cycles is generally being used for resolution/framerate. Developers are free to target whatever they want, generally speaking, so its possible some devs would only target the PS5 at some point, years down the line for most titles. 1080p/30fps PS4 Base, 1080p/60fps PS4 Pro, or 4k 30/60fps PS5.
If I were guess at which titles could be hurt sooner than others it would be the large open world games, due to have better tech in the new hardware for that type of game play.
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HeisenbergFX4
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The way Schreier worded though saying Microsoft and Sony were aiming to beat that has me concerned.
If rumors he was hearing was 12+ he might have said the next gen would be bigger then Stadia.
Maybe I am looking to much into it though.
Evilms
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Personally, whether it's the PS5 or the Xbox Next and considering how it's set for 2020 I don't see them going out with a gpu below 12 Tflops. Because underneath, it's not going to work for $499.
Hypereides
Member
It surprises me that you have a hard time believing people can't have different selling points.
Boss Mog
Member
Do you not know how to read or are you just saying shit in bad faith? I said all DLC is technically just a patch (which it is), not the other way around. And you speak for the whole globe now?
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
I didn't know Google Stadia were using Vega GPUs. So they will already be behind once next-gen starts.
SSM and ND did this on a 1.8 TF console with 5 gigs of RAM available for games......
demigod
Member
No he's right, why would you have an interest in the PS5 just for PS3 if you had no interest in the PS4? /boggle
Saber
Member
You speak as if paying patches would be such a tiny thing. Trying to expand your vision, thats my argument.
All Im saying is that not just because you're fine doesnt mean its fine. Think that Sony sells stuff around most of countries, not only on your own so a change like that would reflect in sales and people would to have to deal with that. "Do you speak for the whole globe now?" Big Lol to you dude, not my point.
I should be the one asking for anything supporting your claim. What makes you believe I'm minory here? What makes you think everyone is fine with something that isnt charged to be selled? And since when downloaded contents are considered patchs? My Sonic Mania updated and it doesnt need you to buy Mighty and Ray DLC for it.
And for whats its worth, so far you're the one doing in bad faith. This is not just a little change. Charging for patches is something heavy, even more concerning if you follow your logic of changing the name to updates for the sake of changing(of for the sake of tricking people).
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RPGCrazied
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I'd pay big money if this thing ran PS1, PS2, PS3/4 games out of the box.
I know it won't happen, but how awesome would that be?
I know it won't happen, but how awesome would that be?
Evilms
Banned
I didn't know Google Stadia were using Vega GPUs. So they will already be behind once next-gen starts.
SSM and ND did this on a 1.8 TF console with 5 gigs of RAM available for games......
10.7 Tflops 56 CU and HBM 2, It's definitely a RX Vega 56 custom.
CPU Zen 2 performance vs the Old Jaguar :
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Shin
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Maybe because VRR is now a thing and for future games it would be better to develop them unlocked so newer consoles can actually make even better usage and run the same game at even higher FPS.
Microsoft is doing that already I think with OX.
TVs will likely get features such as 120, 144, 240 FPS and the like in the future, so if the PS5 and the likes is strong enough to push past 4k60 why lock it. It might be a hidden gem in all news.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
They're not locked in though.
This interview has Little information but enough to get MS to want the spotlight back
If MS reveals anything final for the next gen Xbox at E3 then Sony has succeeded at making them show their hands and and will respond with the official reveal and specs just in time to steal the limelight.
MS will enjoy a month or two before Sony drops the reveal
And I bet pre orders will be available before Next Xbox's Launch.
Basically if MS reveals their Next Gen Xbox before Sony reveals any more information on PS5.
Check mate
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Jigsaah
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Hmmm...as far as what Microsoft plans to do. I feel like the processor will be similar, that's pretty much been the trend of leaks which nowadays seem to be more and more credible especially after Sony's reveal. GPU as well would probably be on par.
Here my logic behind this:
I would not be surprised at all if both companies decided to go with the best of the best AMD has to offer.
So then what it boils down to is who is willing to eat more of the cost. Sony has proven with the PS2 that they are willing to engorge on their profits in order to have a competitive edge. They also released a $600 PS3, a mistake they certainly won't make again. So likely PS5...$499 full stop.
Microsoft being behind this generation combined with the renewed investment in the Xbox arm of the company could mean they are more willing to eat that cost than Sony. Add to that the possibility that they are more likely to rely on Gamepass for revenue and their overall in a better position from a financial stand point to eat that cost, they could come in lower than PS5. I'm in no way saying this is going to happen. They could as easily say that they want to start on equal ground in the new gen and rely on the offerings from their new studios as the way to bait customers into opting for Xbox.
I'm gonna buy both. At launch. Day 1. So it doesn't really matter to me really, but it's fun to speculate and it'll be really exciting to see what happens.
Here my logic behind this:
I would not be surprised at all if both companies decided to go with the best of the best AMD has to offer.
So then what it boils down to is who is willing to eat more of the cost. Sony has proven with the PS2 that they are willing to engorge on their profits in order to have a competitive edge. They also released a $600 PS3, a mistake they certainly won't make again. So likely PS5...$499 full stop.
Microsoft being behind this generation combined with the renewed investment in the Xbox arm of the company could mean they are more willing to eat that cost than Sony. Add to that the possibility that they are more likely to rely on Gamepass for revenue and their overall in a better position from a financial stand point to eat that cost, they could come in lower than PS5. I'm in no way saying this is going to happen. They could as easily say that they want to start on equal ground in the new gen and rely on the offerings from their new studios as the way to bait customers into opting for Xbox.
I'm gonna buy both. At launch. Day 1. So it doesn't really matter to me really, but it's fun to speculate and it'll be really exciting to see what happens.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Is it possible Microsoft gambles and uses Intel?
Evilms
Banned
It's already confirmed that it will be amd also for Microsoft by lisa su.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I havent followed Xbox near as much as Sony, thanks for updating me.
Evilms
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ThaMonkeyClaw
Member
I don't think they'll do a bare bones model like that without the bells and whistiles because then developers will have to create based on the lowest denominator which I feel would just cripple next gen games. If you don't want to drop $500 on a PS5 then that person should go buy a PS4 Pro or PS4 Slim and then you can upgrade at a later date when the price is better and all your PS4 games will still work. If they are smart they will do crossbuying on all games that are on both PS4 and PS5, so when people do upgrade they already get the updated game at no extra cost...nothing annoyed me more than having to rebuy games going from PS3 to PS4...
IceManCat
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I have a theory: ps5 will be using two hardrives one ssd will have a small amount of storage to be used for the OS and the “fast loading time” process. And it will have another upgradable hard drive most likely a standard HDD that will be upgradable for storage in the future.
The state of the art ssd will not be removable as it is purposed just for the os and load time process. While the other will be your traditional upgradable HDD.
The only way this isn’t true is if Sony plans to sell their new “state of the art” ssd as a stand-alone product that can be upgraded since presumably they hold some kind of patent on this new loading process.
The state of the art ssd will not be removable as it is purposed just for the os and load time process. While the other will be your traditional upgradable HDD.
The only way this isn’t true is if Sony plans to sell their new “state of the art” ssd as a stand-alone product that can be upgraded since presumably they hold some kind of patent on this new loading process.
For PS3 games that you can already play on your PS3 to deflate your interest in a console that you haven't even seen yet it has to be a self limit that you're creating on your own.
Think about it you're telling yourself you're not going to be interested in something you haven't even seen if it don't play some games that you can already play.
Gamernyc78
Banned
If I remember correctly BF4 had digital upgrade only for a limited time between ps3/4 but it did happen with a few games.
Tarin02543
Member
I've been thinking, maybe when Cerny says SSD he does not mean a traditional sata ssd you can stick in your pc.
Perhaps we will get something like 24GB GDDR6 (expensive) system ram and 1000GB DDR2 solid state storage.
That's the only way I can see his claims of instant loading become a reality, using ram as storage.
Perhaps we will get something like 24GB GDDR6 (expensive) system ram and 1000GB DDR2 solid state storage.
That's the only way I can see his claims of instant loading become a reality, using ram as storage.
Quite a few of us believe it could be a hybrid type solution which you are alluding to. What they could further do is not even sell the HDD portion. Meaning, give the user the 500gb/1tb SSD, but have pre-built space into the chassis for the HDD. You just move your PS4 HDD over... say if you have already upgraded to say 2tb. Further, not all the games have to be on the SSD, only the most frequently used ones say top 10-30 games.
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IceManCat
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That's a good possibility but in the case of the hybrid it would mean that you could never upgrade it. That's why I assumed two separate ones. I would think it has to come come with some kind of storage so id guess a traditional 2 TB hard drive would come stock.
If it were true (2 separate) I'd wonder how they can get data from one hard drive to the next or if its even possible. Someone much smarter than I will have to look into it lol. You would have essentially one hard drive reading while the other is storing ?
ReRam
I wounder if PS5 will use ReRam
Western Digital show a time line of it being used as Ram & Storage in 2020
https://www.anandtech.com/show/1056...-storage-class-memory-for-specialpurpose-ssds
https://scholarsarchive.library.albany.edu/honorscollege_nano/2/
With ReRam you wouldn't have to load a game because the game would basically be in main memory & there is other benefits & from the look of things Crossbar & others are preparing ReRam for the mass market
https://www.crossbar-inc.com/en/products/t-series/
https://www.crossbar-inc.com/en/products/solutions/
https://www.crossbar-inc.com/en/applications/mobile-computing/
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
I don't think they will go this route. Doesn't make a ton of sense with the speeds they are talking.
Fnord
Member
Um... no? While I agree that SSDs have come way down in price, they still aren't close to spinning disks.
I wonder why Sony chose to tip their hand on specs so early, and what if any response from Microsoft can we expect. Crickets are usually a bad sign, but MS can't be baited into a social media spec war a full year out either. Still, some kind of general response I think is warranted. Excited for new consoles!
Correct the internal SSD would probably (?) not be up-gradable, and possibly even soldered in.... but I think the games being used will have to be on the SSD to use the technology i.e. faster streaming processes. I would be suspect on a stand alone product, but we don't know and you could be right. in theory, or my take, they give you an initial 500gb/1tb SSD, than they allow room in the chassis for an additional HDD or SSD, which you could upgrade however you want... and still support external HDD/SDD solutions as well like on the PS4.
The software in theory would handle moving the most frequently used games over without user intervention, I would imagine. (?????)
ThaMonkeyClaw
Member
I remember when they did that, but that I think just needs to be the gold standard going forward for both Sony and Microsoft.
We already know that MS is going to talk about Xbox Scarlet at E3
ThaMonkeyClaw
Member
I am just waiting for Sony to drop another PS5 bombshell right before E3 just to throw Microsoft for a loop! The way they are doing their announcements now who knows how we will see the next info about the PS5!
Fake
Member
And maybe until there Nibel split the beans.
Hypereides
Member
Excuse me? That's subjective. Is it mandatory now to own a PS4 before I can express an interest in the PS5?
LittleBusters
Banned
Super Xbox fanboys are panicking that XBox Anaconda won't have SSD/Ray Tracing/3D Audio.
Not sure if this will have anything to do with PS5 but TSMC will be doing 6nm next year
TSMC unveils 6nm process
Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) has announced its 6nm (N6) process, which provides a significant enhancement from its 7nm (N7) technology and offers customers a highly competitive performance-to-cost advantage as well as fast time-to-market with direct migration from N7-based...
www.digitimes.com
Where are you even coming from with this? Xbox Scarlet will have all of this in some form